Steering Wheel and Pedals

th3o
monitor? you'd want to play GTS on a big ass OLED 4k screen - mr "all out" :D
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My wife and I are TV junkies... we don't like the movie theater etc., we don't have kids and both have decent jobs, so, we have 'some' nice stuff...
The game is pretty amazing on a 65" oled with 7.1 surround...
Back to wheels...
I use a T150, sit in the love seat and use a "Rigid(brand name)" table saw stand for the wheel, and, strategically place boxes on the floor in front of the pedals all the way up to the tv to wedge them/keep them from sliding away from me.
I see a playseat challenge in my future... hmmm... Christmas is just around the corner...
 
After numerous hours reading/watching reviews I'm about to make a decision whether to take G29 or T300RS GT. If I have to sum up everything I've read so far:
- G29 uses "older" but far more reliable/durable technology (helical gears vs belt driven on T300RS)
- T300RS gives you better "feel" of the game but there are literally hundreds of threads all over the internet about durability issues*
- T300RS's stock pedals are trash, so if you go for this wheel, go for the GT Edition definitely (comes with T3PA pedal set)

* of course there are plenty of people who are completely happy with their wheel and do not have problems, however, the number of threads about problems on the internet seems unreasonably high to me.
 
ststav01
After numerous hours reading/watching reviews I'm about to make a decision whether to take G29 or T300RS GT. If I have to sum up everything I've read so far:
- G29 uses "older" but far more reliable/durable technology (helical gears vs belt driven on T300RS)
- T300RS gives you better "feel" of the game but there are literally hundreds of threads all over the internet about durability issues*
- T300RS's stock pedals are trash, so if you go for this wheel, go for the GT Edition definitely (comes with T3PA pedal set)

* of course there are plenty of people who are completely happy with their wheel and do not have problems, however, the number of threads about problems on the internet seems unreasonably high to me.
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Since you are in Europe (and shipping cost wont be that big) you forgot the best option:FANATEC.
It by far the best wheel you can get.
 
JulesDennis
Since you are in Europe (and shipping cost wont be that big) you forgot the best option:FANATEC.
It by far the best wheel you can get.
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Yep, you're right - Fanatec is the third option but a bit more pricey compared to T300 and G29. It's a shame they didn't make any discounts for the PS4 bundle for Black Friday ... (the Xbox one would be 299$ from 460$)....
 
ststav01
Yep, you're right - Fanatec is the third option but a bit more pricey compared to T300 and G29. It's a shame they didn't make any discounts for the PS4 bundle for Black Friday ... (the Xbox one would be 299$ from 460$)....
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In EU the difference is not big(t300 vs Fanatec).
Thats why I said "since you are in Europe".
 
I still remember the day where I officially switched from controller to wheel and pedals. The smile I had on my face back then lasted for days. I was so surprised at how real and responsive it felt and how much greater it made the whole experience.

The feeling of being engaged with your whole body when driving a fast racing car is just something that has to be experienced. Close races with lots of stressful situations will feel like an exercise. I always start driving with a t-shirt and a hoodie and when it gets "real" I get so warm that I have to throw the hoodie away asap. Hard to do in races with short straights though. I also lean my head when I go into fast corners, something that will never happen when I drive with a controller. :D
 
elderflower
The two pedals on the T300 RS is not very good at all and that the T3PA pedal set that comes with the T300 RS GT is far superior. You could even go all out and get the T300RS (discard the pedals) and T3PA-PRO if you want one of the best pedal sets around. I was considering this option until the T-GT came out lol
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Thanks for this - so helpful. I will look into all of this before actually buying something.
 
Tekku
I still remember the day where I officially switched from controller to wheel and pedals. The smile I had on my face back then lasted for days. I was so surprised at how real and responsive it felt and how much greater it made the whole experience.

The feeling of being engaged with your whole body when driving a fast racing car is just something that has to be experienced. Close races with lots of stressful situations will feel like an exercise. I always start driving with a t-shirt and a hoodie and when it gets "real" I get so warm that I have to throw the hoodie away asap. Hard to do in races with short straights though. I also lean my head when I go into fast corners, something that will never happen when I drive with a controller. :D
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Thanks, definitely going for it.
 
ststav01
After numerous hours reading/watching reviews I'm about to make a decision whether to take G29 or T300RS GT. If I have to sum up everything I've read so far:
- G29 uses "older" but far more reliable/durable technology (helical gears vs belt driven on T300RS)
- T300RS gives you better "feel" of the game but there are literally hundreds of threads all over the internet about durability issues*
- T300RS's stock pedals are trash, so if you go for this wheel, go for the GT Edition definitely (comes with T3PA pedal set)

* of course there are plenty of people who are completely happy with their wheel and do not have problems, however, the number of threads about problems on the internet seems unreasonably high to me.
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Thanks, very helpful.
 
I went over to the Thrustmaster T300RS and the T3PA-PRO pedals you get with the T500 for GT4 (which I got in time for the original launch date last year!), I use to use the G27 on my PS3 for GT5 and the difference in quality was so big between the two (Thrustmaster being much better IMO).

You will be faster and it is more fun, but it's a big outlay. I just upgraded to a nice 43" LG 4K TV yesterday to help me enjoy the game even more.

I think one of the biggest tricks for me was not driving like I do in "RL" and adopting left foot breaking, this really helped me become much quicker. Also one other tip is not setting the FFB too high. If you just crank it up to the max, you lose some of the finer sensations and you just end up fighting against the wheel and thus becoming slower.
 
The G29 certainly isn't immune to failure, the wire from the wheel's buttons to the base can fail leading to random/missed button presses and usually ends with it not calibrating at all in PS4 mode. That said, it's hard to gauge how common it is, but in any case it's likely to happen within the warranty and Logitech will replace it promptly.

T300 has nicer, smoother, FFB. But G29 has a nicer feeling, leather wrapped, rim. If going for the T300, the temptation will be strong to get the 30cm Alcantara rim, or the 33cm rally rim... so perhaps consider this bundle from the outset, especially if you find a deal on it.

I changed from G29 to T300 (with custom 32cm rim) and felt it was a distinct upgrade. I set my FFB to a fairly modest strength and it seems to be lasting :)
 
Felix
I went over to the Thrustmaster T300RS and the T3PA-PRO pedals you get with the T500 for GT4 (which I got in time for the original launch date last year!), I use to use the G27 on my PS3 for GT5 and the difference in quality was so big between the two (Thrustmaster being much better IMO).

You will be faster and it is more fun, but it's a big outlay. I just upgraded to a nice 43" LG 4K TV yesterday to help me enjoy the game even more.

I think one of the biggest tricks for me was not driving like I do in "RL" and adopting left foot breaking, this really helped me become much quicker. Also one other tip is not setting the FFB too high. If you just crank it up to the max, you lose some of the finer sensations and you just end up fighting against the wheel and thus becoming slower.
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Thanks, beginning to see a lot of agreement over the T300 pedals being poor. Will be taking this advice on board.
 
Outspacer
The G29 certainly isn't immune to failure, the wire from the wheel's buttons to the base can fail leading to random/missed button presses and usually ends with it not calibrating at all in PS4 mode. That said, it's hard to gauge how common it is, but in any case it's likely to happen within the warranty and Logitech will replace it promptly.

T300 has nicer, smoother, FFB. But G29 has a nicer feeling, leather wrapped, rim. If going for the T300, the temptation will be strong to get the 30cm Alcantara rim, or the 33cm rally rim... so perhaps consider this bundle from the outset, especially if you find a deal on it.

I changed from G29 to T300 (with custom 32cm rim) and felt it was a distinct upgrade. I set my FFB to a fairly modest strength and it seems to be lasting :)
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Cool thanks. Will be considered!
 
Ferrari_Fan_5
Hi All
New to the forum so apologies if this has been covered (many times) before.
I've been a big racing game fan all my life but never actually tried a steering wheel and pedals. Obviously now there are great options out there including racing seats, stands etc.
Just wondered if those that have experience using the top quality wheels and pedals notice enough of a difference to justify getting one. Do you actually set faster times, enjoy the game more etc....
Thanks
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By coincidence I'm just looking into this topic at the moment for my boss (he knows I'm a fanatical sim-racer) - he asked me to help him pick a wheel, pedals, console and racing game which he is giving himself for Christmas and obviously he wants to save money in the Black Friday sales!

Personally I wouldn't recommend going all out for a first wheel, but suggest you keep a fairly tight rein on the budget. It is possible you might not like a wheel - I have a friend who tried for a few weeks then went back to a controller - eventually his wife gave the wheel to a charity shop. I started with a budget wheel and stand (Logitech DFGT) and then upgraded after a year or so. I remember at the time it seemed crazy dropping £80 on a wheel just to control a game. Now I don't think of it as a game - it's become a hobby and as we all know hobbies can be expensive!

At first I tried to make do without a proper stand - I used a modified Workmate / folding work bench, which proved to be a bad idea - it was impossible to stop the pedals moving away and I had to keep pulling at the wheel rim, which risks damaging the bearings. On top of that there is a big risk of developing backache and other aches and sprains - you will soon spend more in osteopath / chiropractor treatments which could have been put towards a good stand.

It is essential to have the wheel and pedals perfectly positioned for long sim racing sessions to avoid damage to yourself and a wheel. Therefore you should budget for a Wheelstand Pro (or similar) or playseat or rig. If you have a partner, check with them first (I know that a full rig is not acceptable to my wife). If you do not currently have a partner, but intend to have a physical relationship in the future - understand that unlike sports cars, driving rigs and wheels are not babe magnets. If in doubt Best to get something which can be folded away.

At the budget end it is really between the Thrustmaster T150 and the Logitech G29. Currys currently has 30% off. If you go for the T150 choose the T150 RS Pro as it has a high quality triple pedal set and only costs £20 more than the version with the cheap plastic pedals. This is £199.99 minus 30% discount.

The G29 is available complete with shifter for £219.99 which with discount is about £15 more than the T150 without shifter. The Thrustmaster shifter is much better than the G29 version but it should be as it is much more money (£125) - but could be added later.

The G29 uses a gear drive which is noisy if you play off road rally games - otherwise fine for road racing. The T150 uses a hybrid belt and gear system. The T300 uses belt drive and is quieter, but is not really a competitor for the two budget wheels as it is in a much higher price bracket if you get it with the higher quality pedal set.

T150 or G29 should both be great as first wheels - at the moment the G29 is looking like the best deal as you can get it with a shifter for about £154 from Currys (the T150 with good pedals is about £140).
 
Sick Cylinder
By coincidence I'm just looking into this topic at the moment for my boss (he knows I'm a fanatical sim-racer) - he asked me to help him pick a wheel, pedals, console and racing game which he is giving himself for Christmas and obviously he wants to save money in the Black Friday sales!

Personally I wouldn't recommend going all out for a first wheel, but suggest you keep a fairly tight rein on the budget. It is possible you might not like a wheel - I have a friend who tried for a few weeks then went back to a controller - eventually his wife gave the wheel to a charity shop. I started with a budget wheel and stand (Logitech DFGT) and then upgraded after a year or so. I remember at the time it seemed crazy dropping £80 on a wheel just to control a game. Now I don't think of it as a game - it's become a hobby and as we all know hobbies can be expensive!

At first I tried to make do without a proper stand - I used a modified Workmate / folding work bench, which proved to be a bad idea - it was impossible to stop the pedals moving away and I had to keep pulling at the wheel rim, which risks damaging the bearings. On top of that there is a big risk of developing backache and other aches and sprains - you will soon spend more in osteopath / chiropractor treatments which could have been put towards a good stand.

It is essential to have the wheel and pedals perfectly positioned for long sim racing sessions to avoid damage to yourself and a wheel. Therefore you should budget for a Wheelstand Pro (or similar) or playseat or rig. If you have a partner, check with them first (I know that a full rig is not acceptable to my wife). If you do not currently have a partner, but intend to have a physical relationship in the future - understand that unlike sports cars, driving rigs and wheels are not babe magnets. If in doubt Best to get something which can be folded away.

At the budget end it is really between the Thrustmaster T150 and the Logitech G29. Currys currently has 30% off. If you go for the T150 choose the T150 RS Pro as it has a high quality triple pedal set and only costs £20 more than the version with the cheap plastic pedals. This is £199.99 minus 30% discount.

The G29 is available complete with shifter for £219.99 which with discount is about £15 more than the T150 without shifter. The Thrustmaster shifter is much better than the G29 version but it should be as it is much more money (£125) - but could be added later.

The G29 uses a gear drive which is noisy if you play off road rally games - otherwise fine for road racing. The T150 uses a hybrid belt and gear system. The T300 uses belt drive and is quieter, but is not really a competitor for the two budget wheels as it is in a much higher price bracket if you get it with the higher quality pedal set.

T150 or G29 should both be great as first wheels - at the moment the G29 is looking like the best deal as you can get it with a shifter for about £154 from Currys (the T150 with good pedals is about £140).
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Really really helpful reply. Even more to think about. Many thanks for this, much appreciated.
 
LordDrift
If you don't get the wheel you "want" you will never be satisfied, in the end it will cost you more. Do it "right" the first time.
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Also good advice. TBH I started this to see if people thought a wheel made a difference, but it has escalated (in a good way) to being very helpful and specific. I will take on all advice but like you say buy what I feel is right.
 
Ferrari_Fan_5
Also good advice. TBH I started this to see if people thought a wheel made a difference, but it has escalated (in a good way) to being very helpful and specific. I will take on all advice but like you say buy what I feel is right.
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Well on that point, I fess up to not using my wheel on GTS! Somehow it's always been a dualshock game for me, and I'm not sure I'd be much faster using a wheel. Plus, the FFB is fairly lifeless - functional, but not brilliant.

Assetto Corsa, on the other hand, is far harder and much less enjoyable on DS4. It's FFB is excellent and really let's you feel the (more hardcore than GTS) physics, so you really need a wheel to get the best out of it.

People are always good at spending other people's money :lol:
 
Outspacer
Well on that point, I fess up to not using my wheel on GTS! Somehow it's always been a dualshock game for me, and I'm not sure I'd be much faster using a wheel. Plus, the FFB is fairly lifeless - functional, but not brilliant.

Assetto Corsa, on the other hand, is far harder and much less enjoyable on DS4. It's FFB is excellent and really let's you feel the (more hardcore than GTS) physics, so you really need a wheel to get the best out of it.

People are always good at spending other people's money :lol:
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Very true that :D But I have received a great deal of useful advice, albeit the price getting steeper and steeper for the most part,
 
I've had several G series wheels (a G25, 2 x G27 and a G29), and I also have a T300.

I only bought the T300 because Assetto Corsa's implementation of the G29 was so poor it made the game virtually unplayable for me - primarily, a massive FF deadzone around straight ahead.

I've used both wheels to play GTS, and there's nothing really between them in feel IMO... though the leather wheel on the G29 is much nicer than the rubber/plastic monstrosity on the T300.

If I was buying a wheel now to play GTS I'd just go find the best deal on a G29 I could.

Why? Much as I could live with the wheel quality of the T300, the pedals on the G29 are in another league to the stock pedals you get with a T300.

So by the time you've bought the T300, better pedals, an upgraded steering wheel and a shifter (if you want one), you're cash outlay is close to double... for little, if any, appreciable improvement.
 
Stotty
I've had several G series wheels (a G25, 2 x G27 and a G29), and I also have a T300.

I only bought the T300 because Assetto Corsa's implementation of the G29 was so poor it made the game virtually unplayable for me - primarily, a massive FF deadzone around straight ahead.

I've used both wheels to play GTS, and there's nothing really between them in feel IMO... though the leather wheel on the G29 is much nicer than the rubber/plastic monstrosity on the T300.

If I was buying a wheel now to play GTS I'd just go find the best deal on a G29 I could.

Why? Much as I could live with the wheel quality of the T300, the pedals on the G29 are in another league to the stock pedals you get with a T300.

So by the time you've bought the T300, better pedals, an upgraded steering wheel and a shifter (if you want one), you're cash outlay is close to double... for little, if any, appreciable improvement.
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Perfect - this may be the final answer. Thanks
Lol at "monstrosity" - must be pretty bad then haha
 
Ferrari_Fan_5
Lol at "monstrosity" - must be pretty bad then haha
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It's just horrible when you're hands get hot/sweaty - which they can when you're in the middle of some super close battles... and the nature of the material conspires to make you get hotter/more sweaty!
 
Stotty
... the pedals on the G29 are in another league to the stock pedals you get with a T300.
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Agreed. I've never tried the 2-pedal set, got the T3PA but still prefer to use my (modded) G29 pedals with my T300. Not much in it though - I could probably live with similarly modded T3PA.

Ferrari_Fan_5
Perfect - this may be the final answer. Thanks
Lol at "monstrosity" - must be pretty bad then haha
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The £154 deal at Currys is probably the best bang-for-buck around, all things considered. Shifter is rather toy-like, but it's still a shifter :)

T150 RS Pro is £140 at Amazon, but that blue, and that rubber/plastic.... :yuck:

As Sick Cylinder said, you'll need to rig something to mount the wheel. And the pedals - which will wander off if you try to use them loose on the floor!
 
Ferrari_Fan_5
Thanks, beginning to see a lot of agreement over the T300 pedals being poor. Will be taking this advice on board.
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No problem, you're welcome! I agree it's the biggest weakness with the standard T300RS package.

The Pro pedals are a must if you're going with the T300RS. The weight of the frame, plus things like the rubber stud behind the brake pedal, just add up to be so much better than the plastic set normally included with the base unit.

If you do go for the T300RS, try and find one that has the 599XX rim, as it's possibly the nicest one of the different ones you can get for the T300RS & T500RS. It's a touch wider and has an alcantara edge, which is much more comfortable for longer races.
 
th3o
Be a bit more patient :) unless you have unlimited means lol
I would not buy all stuff at once. Just purchase wheel & pedals and try to find a temporary solution for using them in a way that you can experience how it feels like. If you decide then that its for you, then you can also buy a playseat.
I personally got me a WheelStandPro and its just superb, and 60% cheaper than a seat.
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I also have a wheel stand pro and haven't bought a seat. I've contemplated it but if you're like me and your space is limited and you need something that's easy to move around (I play GT sport on my PC monitor and I store it when it's not in use), the wheel stand pro is for you.
 

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