Stock Seasonal Time Trials #6 (G37, Rocket '07, Lancer Evolution - 2/12 to 3/12)

[Hastatus]

This is a thread series for the seasonal time trials that focuses on completing the challenges (i.e. beating the gold target times) with stock versions of the cars. This means that instead of maximizing your PP with upgrades and focusing on getting the fastest laps on the in-game leaderboard, you are attempting to complete the challenges with the bare minimum amount of 'car' and money-spent as is possible. So far it appears to me that PD has been setting gold times by approximately what the stock versions of the cars are capable of. It's also the cheapest way to complete the events because running stock means you do not need to spend any money on your car and the cars that PD has been using so far have been prize cars (apart from the three AE cars) [This time the G37 and the Rocket '07 are prize cars and the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR T.M. SCP '99, one of the possible entrants in the Lancer Evolution Super Lap, is also a prize car.]. I do not intend to include the time trials where PD provides the car because those gold times are rather forgiving.

This thread is for people to post their lap times who have used the following limitations:

1) Car must be stock: no upgrades to cars are permitted (this includes upgrades that do not increase PP such as transmissions).
2) Fresh oil changes in order to temporarily increase HP and PP are not permitted. If you have done an oil change recently you should lower your car's power to the non-fresh-oil-change HP level or wait until the HP has returned to the OEM oil level.
3) You must use the original tires that the car came with.
4) No "Car Settings" like Brake Balance can be adjusted.
5) No SRF or ASM is allowed: other Driver Assists are permitted.


Stock Seasonal Time Trials #6:

High End Performance G37 Super Lap: target 1:14.000*
[Stock G37 = 531 PP - 479 HP - 1450 KG - SS]

Light Car Company Rocket Super Lap: target 2:13.000* 2:14.750***
[Stock Rocket '07 = 556 PP - 165 HP - 390 KG - SH]

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Super Lap: target 1:21.000**
[Stock Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. SCP '99 = 466 PP - 311 HP - 1,360 KG - SH (must purchase Snow Tires: 3,500$)]

* PD suggests "weight reductions" for the G37 and "gear ratios" for the Rocket '07: only time will tell if these suggestions are necessary, or simply to make life easier for the new players.

***UPDATE: It is appearing as if the stock Rocket '07 may not be able to reach the gold lap time. Current estimates are that people are falling 1 to 2 seconds short. I was only able to reach the gold time by purchasing the Twin-Plate Clutch Kit (3,100$) which gives you slightly better acceleration. Unless a really good driver comes along and shows that it can be done, then this might be the first time trial that cannot be done with a stock car. A time of about 2:14.750 seems to be the time to beat in stock form: this would be more consistent with the difficulties of the stock G37 and Evo gold lap time difficulties.

As of Feb 17th one "really good driver" has been able to beat the 2:13 time with a stock Rocket.

** There are 18 possible entrants for the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Super Lap. The only prize car is the Mitsubishi Lancer VI GSR T.M. SCP '99, so this will be the official car for this lap FOR NOW. You will need to buy snow tires (3,500$) to enter. If this target time is too easy, the challenge will be to find which Lancer Evolution with the lowest PP&Cost can reach the target. Will update on this later. The VI GSR T.M. SCP '99 prize car with snow tires is the perfect amount of difficulty.

 

[nowcontrol]

I will have a go at this today, before I start tuning the cars for the weekends run at them. 👍

EDIT 1:51pm: Have just Gold lapped with the EVO @ Chamonix, 1:20.994, took me nearly 50 laps of trying to get there.

EDIT 3:45pm: Have Gold lapped in the G37 @ Willow now, 1:13.649, that track is a pain in the 🤬 and the G37 does not like to turn on it at speed.

 

[Hastatus]

I just spent an hour driving all three and managed to get within 2 seconds on each so I was very sure they could be golded. nowcontrol has shown two can be golded already so I'm glad I was right. My first impression is that the Rocket lap will be the most challenging of the three. I know Suzuka very well, having spent many many hours there with the X1 in GT5, and I'm not sure where I'll be able to make more time as easily as I can on the other two tracks.


Edit - I got gold on the Lancer Evolution lap and boy was that fun. I can't drift on pavement but on snow I'm super confident and can almost taste every barrier along the way.

The G37 on that course was rather fun too. Plenty of places to make time.

With a wheel using automatic transmission:

G37 - 1:13.896

Rocket '07 - ??? Can only get a 2:14.918 so far.

Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. SCP '99 - 1:20.515

 

[nowcontrol]

I am taking a small food break but will attempt Suzuka in the rocket shortly myself. 👍

EDIT 7:03pm: The Rocket @ Suzuka is definitely a tough one to do with stock settings mainly for the gear ratio being far to short and it also likes to spin out a lot on the limit, but I am sure it can be done if the whole lap is nailed together perfectly.
At the moment I have only been able to squeeze out a 2:14.0xx and I see where time can be gained, but as luck would have it, every bit of time I gain in one corner seems to be lost in the next.

 

[Fuzzi0n]

I am taking a small food break but will attempt Suzuka in the rocket shortly myself. 👍

EDIT 7:03pm: The Rocket @ Suzuka is definitely a tough one to do with stock settings mainly for the gear ratio being far to short and it also likes to spin out a lot on the limit, but I am sure it can be done if the whole lap is nailed together perfectly.
At the moment I have only been able to squeeze out a 2:14.0xx and I see where time can be gained, but as luck would have it, every bit of time I gain in one corner seems to be lost in the next.

I did a 2:12.997 on my second lap, still quite a bit of time left in it but I didn't bother trying any more laps. Trick seems to be to get the braking and turn in done early then use the throttle through the corner. I'd suggest you use as much of the curbs through the last corner as possible and stay on the right to the line as it'll save a bit more time. I couldn't get the G37 lap fast enough without tuning it, just not a fan of that car on that track. I'm sure it's possible though as I wasn't far off, I just wanted it done as quick as possible. Not sure on the Evo as I used a tuned car for it, I'd suggest the big time gain will be keeping as much speed as possible through the long right hander at the bottom of the hill.

 

[Ryk]

Did the G37 at the Streets of San Francisco (An Aston Martin production) - I mean Streets of Willow Springs (Really cool theme tune.)



Car felt odd... Or is it the track. It has a real rhythm to it, (Track or the theme tune?) Which I've not quite hooked up yet.

I am 2 seconds off Gold after 10 laps. But I can see loads of time at every corner I barrel into too fast or pootle through too slowly! Should be fun!

1m16.883. (No tune, No ABS, No TCS, No SRF, No Nodding Dog on the parcel shelf.)

 

[88GTA]

Tried all three of these last night.

G37 - 1:14.047 I'm still learning that track. Only other time I ran it was in the Hudson.
Rocket - Managed a silver but can't remember the time. If I could change one thing on that car it would be the gearing.
Evo Snow - I used the "premium" T.M. '00 Evo (473pp I think) but only managed a 1:23.00 for now.

The snow seasonal was my favorite by far. I hadn't raced on snow since GT5 and it was so much fun.

G27 ABS 1

 

[croozer_63]

Only had 15 mins at it last night , but golded the G37, took maybe 5-8 laps, with most being silver, (all be it some red silvers). Car likes to slide and drift around the corners a little, but mostly very cool. My fully tuned G37, painted with some great wheels is one of my favourite cars in the game. Awesome at the Daytona road track in the career mode.Can't wait to get at the others. Suzuka sounds fun.

ps, the rocket at Suzuka , two laps to gold, needs to be 2-10 or under to be a challenge at least.

pps..The Evo one in the snow is a blast. Got down to 1-18xxxx. Personally found this one to be a great challenge. Maybe PD could make a seasonal race through a similar track with good cars, that would be fun.

PPPS...I am owing all an apology. I did not read OP, and as such did not realise this thread was for stock cars only. All my times were achieved using tuned cars. Once again, apologies to anyone that was misled by my posts.
Having said that, I purchased a new rocket and went to Suzuka, totally stock, straight from the dealer, and have posted 2:13:288 so far.
Again my apologies, no BS intended














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[zutz]

Edit, cause I used oil change.

 

[Hastatus]

Rocket @ suzuka was a bit too easy, I think the stock Rocket could probably do sub 2:10 in a perfect lap.

I drive with G25 and ABS 1 except for the rocket where I used ABS 0.

The stock Rocket is "easy" at Suzuka? Are you sure that you are using the same stock as the rest of us? It could really do under 2:10 with the standard transmission?

Stock Rocket '07 = 556 PP - 165 HP - 390 KG - SH

Oh I think I see what is going on 💡: your Evo had more HP than the version we are using: 330 vs 311 hp. We are not counting oil changes as stock here.

 

[Divinus]

Evo - 1:20:981 - ABS 1, everything else off, wheel, clutch + gated shifter.
Took me slightly less than 2h.

Rocket - 2:14:465 - ABS 1, everything else off, wheel, sequential stick.
Recognize i can shove off .4xx secs (math using splits). Never near the gold time.

Rocket (w/ oil change) - 2:13:332 - same settings.
Again after the best lap I had a split of -.408 in another lap. So it's not impossible to gold with oil change, but it's extremely difficult. I don't know if I can do it. Will give another try and post results.
After some more tries: I can consistently make up the difference for gold in the first sector, but after the second sector i'm already behind my ghost, and keep the distance in the third sector. So it's the second sector that has my gold. If I don't try more tomorrow next weekend will give it a go.

Will post about the other one when I try it.

 

[Hastatus]

So after many many laps I've pretty much given up trying to achieve gold (2:13.000) with the stock Rocket '07. My wrist was killing me. I was only able to reach 2:14.586 and could consistently get high 2:14s. I then tried to up my HP by 1% to match the dealership's stated 166 HP (instead of the 165 HP they give you the keys to ) and was able to gain 1 second reaching 2:13.585 and consistently reaching high 2:13s.

I tried the 5 speed transmission which comes at 530 km top speed instead of 520 km and any time I made up in the straights was lost with all the turns where acceleration is more useful for making time given you have to slow down enough to not lose grip with the SH tires.

I abandoned that idea and tried an oil change and the extra power is not very useful: I reached 2:13.404 and could consistently get high 2:13s. So then I abandoned more power.

Then I tried the Twin-Plate Clutch Kit (3,100$) and was able to get consistent low 2:13s and eventually managed a 2:12.962. This clutch definitely gives you noticeable acceleration boost and gains me about 2 seconds on this track using an automatic transmission.

My verdict: I think PD might have been serious when it said this car's "gear ratios are too short for the course". [I wonder if someone who has access to the Japanese text description might give us a translation to see if the English indicative (i.e. statement of fact) is accurate here.] I wonder if someone who can drive standard faster than the automatic transmission might be able to reach 2:13 stock?

 

[zutz]

The stock Rocket is "easy" at Suzuka? Are you sure that you are using the same stock as the rest of us? It could really do under 2:10 with the standard transmission?
Stock Rocket '07 = 556 PP - 165 HP - 390 KG - SH

Oh I think I see what is going on 💡: your Evo had more HP than the version we are using: 330 vs 311 hp. We are not counting oil changes as stock here.

Yeah you're right, I should have read the rules better before posting. I had oil change on all of the cars.

 

[Polsixe]

Stock? That may be fine for the GT5 New Puritans but allowing some freedom in settings is always worth a few seconds. Racing brakes for instance really help with Turn 1, and the game even advises itself to use the custom tranny to reset the top speed.

 

[Polsixe]

Sorry wrong thread

 

[Divinus]

So @Hastatus, what do you recomend to gold the rocket? The twin plate clutch?
I'm using sequential and there is a massive lag between 1st and 2nd forcing me to stay in second in the hairpin. There is some lag between 2nd and 3rd. 3rd to 4th and 4th to 5th have zero to almost no lag.

Also a good benchmark for the stock rocket is something between 2:14:500 and 2:14:750

Edit: also tried w/ oil change. See post above.

 

[Hastatus]

So @Hastatus, what do you recomend to gold the rocket? The twin plate clutch?
I'm using sequential and there is a massive lag between 1st and 2nd forcing me to stay in second in the hairpin. There is some lag between 2nd and 3rd. 3rd to 4th and 4th to 5th have zero to almost no lag.

Also a good benchmark for the stock rocket is something between 2:14:500 and 2:14:750

Edit: also tried w/ oil change. See post above.

I would say that 2:14.750 would be about the right time to beat with the stock Rocket. That would be a time consistent with the difficulties of the gold times for the G37 and the Prize Car Evo. PD really wanted to force transmission tuning for this event. [Though I'm still puzzled by how simply applying slightly longer gear ratios without applying extra power, as PD's description might suggest, would help beat the gold time on Suzuka. I get the feeling that PD wanted to teach new players that simply adding power would not let them beat the target time alone and that they had to learn to use the customizable transmission too.]

Yeah that oil change doesn't seem to gain as much as you would think. My +1 HP lap times didn't differ much from my 5% boost oil change times. For me the stock power level seems to be at the high end for every other stock aspect of the Rocket, especially it's tires and transmission.

I would suggest trying the twin plate clutch for the gold: it gives you more quick acceleration than the extra HP does...at least with the stock transmission. You'll notice the transmission top out much sooner on the straights.

 

[Divinus]

I would say that 2:14.750 would be about the right time to beat with the stock Rocket. That would be a time consistent with the difficulties of the gold times for the G37 and the Prize Car Evo.

The time seems right. You should upload the OP. 👍

PD really wanted to force transmission tuning for this event. [Though I'm still puzzled by how simply applying slightly longer gear ratios without applying extra power, as PD's description might suggest, would help beat the gold time on Suzuka. I get the feeling that PD wanted to teach new players that simply adding power would not let them beat the target time alone and that they had to learn to use the customizable transmission too.]

I haven't tested it yet. But you did, so you having the experience on your side. But with the stock tranny we spend a lot of time at max speed. Sacrificing some time in acceleration to then break-even at higher top speed. (Just some hypothesis). In the end it all boils down to the track so.

Yeah that oil change doesn't seem to gain as much as you would think. My +1 HP lap times didn't differ much from my 5% boost oil change times. For me the stock power level seems to be at the high end for every other stock aspect of the Rocket, especially it's tires and transmission.

Hum, yeah I found that strange when you posted. My guess is that if you are using the power limit to achieve the +1hp, then the power curve is being flaten not moved down. This means that even with the +1hp you could even achieve a greater increase in the power curve area than with the oil change (from your times it seems it's a pretty close area).

I would suggest trying the twin plate clutch for the gold: it gives you more quick acceleration than the extra HP does...at least with the stock transmission. You'll notice the transmission top out much sooner on the straights.

Will give it a try. It's the twin clutch without oil change right? (it's ok if I use the power limiter to revert back the hp figures, knowing that the power curve will not be the same as stock?).

Thanks for doing these threads.

 

[Sudenkorento]

Stock Rocket 2:15.205
Cant get past that...
I am in the edge with that time, cant get clean laps, always spinning and stuff for trying too hard...

G37 now stuck at 1:14.055
So that's do able even for me i think..

Evo i have not tried yet....

All those time's with dfgt abs= 0

 

[Dalone]

Sounds an interesting concept but whether it catches on I don't know. Personally doubt it though.

If there were some official races in this category all well and good, failing that, who knows.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I had a few sighter laps with the Rocket '07, initial feeling is an alien fast driver might be able to get below 2:12 with stock car and no driving aids such as without ABS.

 

[JujiroMatsuda]

Tried all of these events with stock form and could only barely clear the time for bronze I was rather low on self-esteem lol but coming here reading everyone having difficulties made me assured I still havent lost it

Im learning braking without ABS now and re-doing career events with "zero aids". Brought me back all the fun factor of the game, Im loving it.

What I found with Rocket event my initial feeling with this car was that its brakes are really, really weak (at default 5/5 strength). Tyres never gave a hint of ever locking up, not even close. Only when it nearly came to stop the tyres started to screech. I was thinking, "man, the car doesnt stop!" and bouncing off rev-limiter on two long straights means I have to make up a lot of time on pure cornering speeds throughout the track.

Im guessing that gold time could only be achieved by no more than 30 people of this planet.lol

 

[Outeke]

Deleted. Doubt if it was stock.

 

[Ryk]

Evo Tommi Lancer (The Red Prize car job with the ralliart stripes on the side.) - 276bhp/38 torques/1360kg
All the aids removed and --- Snow tyres purchased!
Sunny Chamonix
1m22.729

Ran for 14.8 miles.

Definitely a learn the track time as so much of it is turn in very early and go flat out. Fortunately the track isn't that hard to learn - pretty short. The handling of the car on snow was a bit strange to get to ... grips with. But Once you do get a feel for the track all is simple enough, just a question of knowing how much you can get away with. I was 1m25 after my first banker lap then it was faster but a few annoying clips of the snow bank would void a lap... yet sometimes you could kiss a snow bank and it ignored it... Come on game I mucked up that corner... flag me for it!

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Stock Rocket at Suzuka
No aids, nothing done to the car (ABS=0, TCS=0, SRF=0)
I know the rules here are fix the gearbox... but I didn't write down the ratio! But bone stock I trundled along to get a nice silver lap. Casio Triangle... Behind those innocent looking tyres... a tractor beam... I swear any time I thought "Hey you're on a good lap here... don't miss the braking point..." I would guess the brake point wrong and end up in the Prost and Senna escape road of getting to know your team mate. Also had an off at Spoon... I am sure I used to brake at the side road on the right... and didn't there used to be sand on the other side of the rumbles at Spoon.

2m15.437 (15.2miles) ( I think I had a restart after muffing 130R... Why void the next lap when I need to make a clean Casio Triangle before I start the next lap? Why! - And didn't there used to be a nice patch of damp grass and a tyre wall over here on the exit of 130R.)

not a lot of time, but the hitting the rev limiter was annoying.

(Edit - twin plate clutch - won't that make you hit top speed quicker for even more bashing the rev limiter annoyance?)

 

[88GTA]

Managed a 1:21.2 in the '00 TM Evo.

My best time for the LCC Rocket was just barely silver, a 2:15.985.

Haven't tried the G37 again yet.

So... silvers for all three.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Really fun the Rocket car stock, seems to have a lot of rear grip like it is on rails.

@Hastatus, I haven't run that many laps on this but I estimate it should be possible to beat Gold time by over a second completely stock and no driving aids.

 

[Hastatus]

(Edit - twin plate clutch - won't that make you hit top speed quicker for even more bashing the rev limiter annoyance?)

Yes. Yes it will. But isn't it a good thing to "hit top speed quicker"? I was hitting the rev limiter on the straights anyways. What you might lose on the straights (I think it breaks even) you definitely make up on the rest of the track.

Really fun the Rocket car stock, seems to have a lot of rear grip like it is on rails.

@Hastatus, I haven't run that many laps on this but I estimate it should be possible to beat Gold time by over a second completely stock and no driving aids.

Good luck...and remember that oil changes are not considered stock here.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Good luck...and remember that oil changes are not considered stock here.

I personally don't want to spend too much time trying to beat it by that a margin, I just did a lap just good enough for gold with a 2:12.943 completely stock with no driving aids and will move on to a tuned setup with SRF next time hoping by magic it is enough to find the margin required to do a time in the 1:58's.

 

[Divinus]

I personally don't want to spend too much time trying to beat it by that a margin, I just did a lap just good enough for gold with a 2:12.943 completely stock with no driving aids and will move on to a tuned setup with SRF next time hoping by magic it is enough to find the margin required to do a time in the 1:58's.

Wow that's fast. Congrats. I thought it was impossible.
Can you share your settings?

 

[nowcontrol]

Wow that's fast. Congrats. I thought it was impossible.
Can you share your settings?

There aren't any settings to share, this is about doing the lap in a stock car, without any upgrades and so with completely untouched settings.

Read OP again.