Stock Seasonal Time Trials #6 (G37, Rocket '07, Lancer Evolution - 2/12 to 3/12)

[Saidur_Ali]

Only had 15 mins at it last night , but golded the G37, took maybe 5-8 laps, with most being silver, (all be it some red silvers). Car likes to slide and drift around the corners a little, but mostly very cool. My fully tuned G37, painted with some great wheels is one of my favourite cars in the game. Awesome at the Daytona road track in the career mode.Can't wait to get at the others. Suzuka sounds fun.

ps, the rocket at Suzuka , two laps to gold, needs to be 2-10 or under to be a challenge at least.

pps..The Evo one in the snow is a blast. Got down to 1-18xxxx. Personally found this one to be a great challenge. Maybe PD could make a seasonal race through a similar track with good cars, that would be fun.

Are you sure you used stock car with no SRF, seems impossible to do a time in the 2:10's or underneath it with stock car?

Wow that's fast. Congrats. I thought it was impossible.
Can you share your settings?

Thanks, Stock car, no changes, ABS off as well as all other driving aids off using G27 steering wheel. I guess it is possible to go around 1 second faster than time I did so don't give up hope of getting Gold completely stock.

 

[Hastatus]

There aren't any settings to share, this is about doing the lap in a stock car, without any upgrades and so with completely untouched settings.
Read OP again.

I think Divinus might have meant 'setup' as in controller/wheel hardware: I know I'm curious.

I personally don't want to spend too much time trying to beat it by that a margin, I just did a lap just good enough for gold with a 2:12.943 completely stock with no driving aids and will move on to a tuned setup with SRF next time hoping by magic it is enough to find the margin required to do a time in the 1:58's.

Well done on the Rocket! I'm glad someone was able to show it could be done...means my theory is still un-disproved. Do you use a manual or automatic transmission? Any tips: e.g. Where were the last two places where you learned that you could make up some time?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Well done on the Rocket! I'm glad someone was able to show it could be done...means my theory is still un-disproved. Do you use a manual or automatic transmission? Any tips: e.g. Where were the last two places where you learned that you could make up some time?

I used the paddles so Semi-automatic or manual shown in game.

One place I remember is 130R, it is possible to do flat out. Tips wise, e-brake can be useful to get car into some of the corners better if you are understeering too much, also car has a lot of grip on power. Also usual things such as smooth steering, braking as late as possible while carrying as much speed in and also quick transition to power. Keep minimum speed up as much as possible.

I have also attached replay, maybe not best example to learn from as I didn't get the line right in first sector which resulted in me losing a lot of time in turn 6 and 7. Also hairpin, maybe it is better to take it in second as car didn't seem to shift that fast.

 

[Divinus]

There aren't any settings to share, this is about doing the lap in a stock car, without any upgrades and so with completely untouched settings.

Read OP again.

I think Divinus might have meant 'setup' as in controller/wheel hardware: I know I'm curious.

Yes: I wanted to know the hardware used, and software wise, the aids used (of those allowed). Saidur_Ali already answered. Thanks

 

[Hastatus]

...I have also attached replay, maybe not best example to learn from...

Thanks for the replay data. After I figured out how to import such files, with no help from PD 🤬, I watched your replay half a dozen times and learned a few things. 1) I shouldn't hold the throttle down so lazily all the way to the floor when the rev limiter is hit. 2) Going through the turn following the second straight is much easier to take at full speed if you're preventing the limiter from bouncing so much when you do. I guess I've always been doing it the hard/lazy way. ... But then again I don't ever remember having to deal with the rev limiter in a time trial very much. I managed a 1:13.844 after only a few tries. With some more practice keeping the rev limiter from bouncing, I might be able to do it with my automatic transmission.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Thanks for the replay data. After I figured out how to import such files, with no help from PD 🤬, I watched your replay half a dozen times and learned a few things. 1) I shouldn't hold the throttle down so lazily all the way to the floor when the rev limiter is hit. 2) Going through the turn following the second straight is much easier to take at full speed if you're preventing the limiter from bouncing so much when you do. I guess I've always been doing it the hard/lazy way. ... But then again I don't ever remember having to deal with the rev limiter in a time trial very much. I managed a 1:13.844 after only a few tries. With some more practice keeping the rev limiter from bouncing, I might be able to do it with my automatic transmission.

I would have thought with automatic transmission, it is unlikely you will be able to bounce off the rev limiter? About point 1, I keep full throttle on shifts, if it shows I am lifting, it is due to Semi-automatic shifting, should show the same on your replay if I understood what you meant correctly? Well done on the improvement 👍.

 

[Ryk]

Lancer at Chamonix (Stock zero aids no oil and duff driver)

Had a second dash here... took me a while to get back to the pace I was at... then I managed to edge a faster time...

1m21.576 (44.5 miles)

Losing a lot of time early in the lap... which is full banana flat out stuff - so I guess my stock car's lack of power could be a factor...

The big right that flows down the hill (into split 1) I have to lift to get through and the blue lines which are already ahead - pull away. I can't take the big compression right hander after split 1 flat... but I do seem to reel in my mates ghosts here (They are all in some lightweight Evo thirteen RS Lancers - gits!) The Hardest bit is the jink-y chicane job, mostly as these blue guide lines also have names... that obliterate the track side detail. Amazed 've only clobbered that wooden fence once.
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G37 at The Streets of San Fran-Willow Springs. (I've now got that bloody theme tune hardcoded into my head when the track loads up.)

1m15.826 - 45.4 miles

And that felt like a very long 45 miles - Again I get swamped early in the flat out bit of the lap... and the blue lines do over complicate turn 2(R) - I am hopeful to make time here... just need to find the landmarks... that big barrel under that hill top put on the anchors...

The corners feel too tight - I'd like to be able to look further into and around the corner. Car is fussy to drive, feels like understeer most of the time. and the uphill Esses (Great section) I prat about in 2nd and 3rd gear... which can't be good, but it just understeers if I try to tough it out in a high gear.

Not quite sure how to put that replay into GT6 -
And I'll have to turn off the Tron bike blue lines. Made a second up on each time... by this rate it will take 100 miles on each car to get gold.

 

[Divinus]

This weekend:

Rocket: Did so many laps that the oil bonus disappeared. Despite that managed a 2:12:221 (my previous best was with oil change and 2:12:332). I'm so close to gold. I can do consistent laps below 2:12:900.

.Not bouncing on the limiter is good to achieve a higher top speed (Good Advice).
.So far I can't take 130R flat out. I need to brake just a little to push weight to the front in order to turn (I don't take my foot of the gas though). My best exit speed with this techique is 206Km/h.
.I notice that the places where I lose/gain more time are in the Degner Curves: I brake early, after immediately releasing the brakes I start to turn and put about 10% accelerator. There is massive understeer there.
.Also on the Casio triangle, sometimes I don't hit the brake point when I should I lose some time there.

Edit: Realized I wrote my times wrong. I meant 2:13:xxx, not 2:12:xxx.

 

[Hastatus]

I finally managed to gold Suzuka with the stock Rocket.

With a wheel and automatic transmission.

After learning to control my throttle at the top speed and taking 130R flat out (by holding throttle to max before starting to turn), I was making upper 2:13s. Then for giggles I tried turning off ABS I realized I was gaining a lot more time in the S's. There seems to be less noticeable transitions to acceleration when you get off the brake. I was always afraid of locking up the wheels while turning but if you're light on the brakes you can still turn. Anyways, after spending a couple hours learning to use ABS 0, since I had to relearn my braking points, I kept creeping closer and closer: 2:13.5xx; 2:13.4xx; 2:13.2xx; 2:13.020 and finally a 2:12.885. I had to spend a good 5 or 6 hours on this time, but at least I'm still undefeated by PD.

I think my ghost trick worked too. I kept reloading an older ghost time at 2:13.7xx where I had done the second part of the course much faster than the first part. This meant that by the hairpin turn I was usually over a second ahead, which kept me motivated because I knew that if I could put together all my best turns into one lap I could do it.

I'm trying to figure out how to upload my replay onto here...but no success...yet. Eureka!

 

[JujiroMatsuda]

@Hastatus

Congratulations mister, I guess you're one of 30 people on this planet to achieve the feat

I've conceded a long time ago to achieve a gold with stock. I struggled on TT event that I found it extremely difficult to control that much oversteer nearly entirely with right foot My footwork is my weakest link and I still have to work hard to improve. Perhaps I should exercise more.lol

 

[88GTA]

@Saidur_Ali and @Hastatus

Thank you for posting the replays. I will be studying them after work today in an attempt to gold the LCC Rocket/Suzuka combo. I've never had a good feel for that track and I'm hoping to get some tips from you fast guys. 👍

One quick question, anyone touch brake balance? I know there is debate as to if it is considered tuning but I just wanted to ask before I check out the replays. Online tuning prohibited lobbies allow brake balance changes to be considered "stock."

 

[Hastatus]

One quick question, anyone touch brake balance? I know there is debate as to if it is considered tuning but I just wanted to ask before I check out the replays. Online tuning prohibited lobbies allow brake balance changes to be considered "stock."

Nope. No adjusting brake balance here: it's rule #4.

 

[88GTA]

^No problem. I just wanted to confirm before I tried to replicate your replays.

 

[TangoR34]

Evo 6 TME at Chamonix - 1:20.428 All Assists off.

 

[no1pal]

Congrats to everybody who have managed gold on these TT´s I have barely just managed silver on all of them.. Several seconds behind the gold times. Only done about 15-20 laps on each of them. The EVO 6 is the most fun.

 

[Ryk]

I managed swift silvers but lacked the fortitude to slug it out for multiple laps - Don't you hate real life?
Even more annoying to see you lot all fly off into the distance!
The Rocket I enjoyed right up until the rev limiter rattled my fillings... (so about 300 yards or so...)
They all deserved more track time from me.

See you all at the next events...

 

[Divinus]

This Weekend:

G27/Willow S. - ABS 1, everything else off, Wheel, H-pattern, clutch.
1:13:824 - Took me some laps to get used to the track and after that it was fairly easy. Missed gold in three laps because failed to engage 3rd gear in the finish straight. But then I calm down and did a lap without missing gears and got gold. There was some corners were I didn't use heel and toe.

Rocket - ABS 1, everything else off, Wheel, Seq. Stick.
2:13:187 - managed to get a better time than the previous weekend (2:13:223). Damn it, sometimes I am more than .3xx in front of my ghost line and always mess up the lap. The car has more than 800Km already (It was new before the seasonal). I still got some more hours today. If I don't get it this weekend I will look to the replays provided to look for clues where to gain time. I haven't done so because I wanted to find the lines for myself and was planning to take a look at them after get gold. I discovered a few spots to make time and discovered how to do the 130R without braking. Will post updates.
This event is something I really want to accomplish, it turned out to be a personal struggle, but it is doable so practicing is the way.

Edit:

**** YEAH I DID IT

2:12:823

Edit 2:

We had very different lines. I noticed spots were I was quicker and others were I was slower.

Upon review the other replays i noticed @Saidur_Ali car had a different spedometer. Mine and @Hastatus went to 240kph, but Saidur_Ali's car went only to 160kph. Maybe due to region? New car vs prize car? Anyone know why?

 

[Hastatus]

@Divinus - I'm sorry I had not noticed this earlier. Congratulations on completing the stock rocket challenge. That is probably the most difficult of all the stock time trials I have seen yet. 👍

I just caught your other thread about the transmissions and am trying to catch up currently.

 

[Divinus]

Thanks man After the lap I was like you, making joyful spins all over the place. It's quite an achievement.
It seems they are putting one a little more difficult in each batch (which sounds good), but this one, like you said was really hard. Took me 3 weekends (only play at weekends when I'm at my parents')

About the speedometer thing I am curious. I won't be near a ps3 until the 13th so I won't be able to test the transmission hypothesis (looking at the replay for when gear changes and trying to reproduce the same speedometer with a new tranny) and the new vs prize car hypothesis. I will wait until the thread goes out of the frontpage and then try the region hypothesis by asking for similar situations to a WRS mod.

 

[Hastatus]

@Divinus :

Saidur_Ali's gauge didn't only go up to 160 kph, it is 160 mph. 240 kph is 150 mph, but PD likes to make the gauges use 20 unit increments so they use 160 mph instead of 150 mph on the dial. I tested this by simply changing my units to miles and my HUD gauge changed to 160 mph too. So it's nothing except the difference between the units the player uses.

 

[Divinus]

@Divinus :

Saidur_Ali's gauge didn't only go up to 160 kph, it is 160 mph. 240 kph is 150 mph, but PD likes to make the gauges use 20 unit increments so they use 160 mph instead of 150 mph on the dial. I tested this by simply changing my units to miles and my HUD gauge changed to 160 mph too. So it's nothing except the difference between the units the player uses.

It makes sense. So it's a design flaw. If you import a game in a certain unit, the speedometer stays with the same scale even if the viewer uses a different unit. This means that our replays if viewed by him will max out at 240mph, right?
Thanks for sorting it out! Learned something. This is something to fix.
Can you please confirm @Saidur_Ali ?