Struggling with Tight Turns in GT7: What Am I Doing Wrong? (NEW PLAYER)

[EduardoGT7]

Hello everyone! I'm a new GT7 player. I started two days ago and had never played it before. I'm loving the game. I watched some YouTube videos and picked up a few tips (like watching replays of the best lap times). I noticed that the community is very supportive and united.

However, I'm having extreme difficulty turning my car on tight corners. (I understand the game requires practice and skill).

The fact is that my car doesn't seem to turn as sharply as others on tight corners.

Watching the replays and trying to mimic the best lap times, I reach almost the same speed and brake in the same spot. However, even when I turn the wheel completely, my car doesn't take the corner as sharply as in the replay.

My question is: What am I doing wrong? Is it some configuration? Am I braking incorrectly?

Also, is there any video or guide you can recommend? Or even players whose replays I could watch on YouTube, for example?

Thank you very much, and I really appreciate your time in helping a new player!

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[TumeK5]

However, even when I turn the wheel completely, my car doesn't take the corner as sharply

This is the part that caught my attention. While I understand you're talking about tight turns, which generally require more rotation than higher speed corners, using the entire steering lock is not the answer. You only need the entire lock for an extremely slow and tight turn (or, in the case of drifting, recovering from massive oversteer).

The reason I suspect you're using too much steering lock is because it's a very common beginner mistake: if they feel like the car understeers, they often apply more steering lock, which only makes things worse.

However, you didn't clearly state which method of control you're using: wheel or gamepad? If it's the wheel, then what I stand by what I said.

 

[Chevy Heavy]

If your car is wanting to go straight while you're turning, this a condition known as understeering. The most common reasons are you're carrying too much speed into the corner or you're getting on the throttle to early. Try braking or slowing down earlier going into the corner and letting the car coast a little until you reach the apex before getting on the gas to counter this. You can also try trail braking which will help. This is a more advanced method though and since you're new to the game may be harder to learn. Basically, you slowly release the brake going into the corner while at the same time slowly getting back on the gas.

 

[Lomic]

Did you try the license tests ? They are a good way to learn a lot about how to drive various cars in GT7, you will get a lot of benefits to pass those licenses (even if Sarah is greatly annoying).

 

[Met Entso]

One concept that helped me improve cornering is to know that the car can't do 100% of everything, that is, rotating, braking and accelerating. So if you want 100% rotation, you need 0% braking and 0% acceleration. Sometimes it's just a second before going onto the gas pedal when exiting, but it's common to go into rotation and not fully leaving the break, or trail braking for so long that you brake a bit through all the corner. That would decrease rotation.

 

[timekiller001]

Based on your comment it sounds like you are using a wheel.
As others pointed out, you are steering too much, causing understeer. You should feel your wheel vibrating when that happens (may be different on some wheels though). Reduce your turn in until you feel the tires gripping again

 

[TumeK5]

One concept that helped me improve cornering is to know that the car can't do 100% of everything, that is, rotating, braking and accelerating. So if you want 100% rotation, you need 0% braking and 0% acceleration.

This is true, but only in theory. It depends entirely on the situation and the car you're driving. Sometimes throttle is the answer for rotation, wheel is just used for managing the slip angle/controlling the car.

 

[Pigems]

The 100% tire rule is key here. Your tires can only do 100% of 1 thing. So if you are full 100% on the brakes, you have no % left to try and turn with. If you back the brakes off to 80%, now you have 20% to work with for turning, and more and more as you easy off the brakes and turn into a corner. That’s how trail braking works in general, you can brake later, and deeper into a corner that way once you master it. But, and here’s the key, mid corner you need to be fully off of all pedal inputs to get MAX rotation out of the car. As soon as you release that last bit of brake or throttle you’ll feel it, the car just turns that little bit more mid corner.



@Tidgney has a great Driving School series on YT that covers all of this and more in a lot better detail. I highly suggest checking it out.

 

[bduddy]

Aside from the basic advice others have already mentioned, a great way to get more rotation in slow corners is trail braking. While braking does reduce the grip available to an extent, it can also help move more of the weight of the car to the front and allow the front wheels to grip and turn better. If you look at replays from the top drivers, they will usually trail the brakes off slowly as they enter the corner, leaving a small amount of braking as they turn in. It's very tricky to get right, but can really help.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Just to add some practical advice:

Go slower earlier. You'll find the car will respond better and you aren't losing time more shifting where the pace comes from which is a better straighter and smoother exit.

All the theory is correct but the application regardless of control type is about building up to finding the sweet spot between speed and control.

A lot of new players brake aggressively (full braking instantly) too late to balance the car and optimise slowing and control. So brake earlier and a little more gently initially and then add pressure or ease off as needed until the car is moving how you want.

A couple of tips

1. The game lets you go fastest when you have smooth consistent acceleration on corner exit

2. Braking earlier gives you more control and better position and acceleration options

3. While tempting not every corner is the "best" place to overtake, pick your moments.

4. Circuit experiences are crucial to get the most from the game, you'll gain a better understanding of the layouts (which helps with picking those overtakes) and will help you be smoother generally as familiarity is the fastest skill you can have.

5. Remember it takes time to "git gud" and that is not a destination just a journey to get there. Take your time and don't put artificial pressure on yourself, just drive and reflect on your driving without rose tinted glasses on. Be self analyzing.

6. Coast where you can, we all over brake when just coasting or lifting holds a higher speed rather than spikes in speed. Think "smooooooth" over on off inputs

 

[EduardoGT7]

This is the part that caught my attention. While I understand you're talking about tight turns, which generally require more rotation than higher speed corners, using the entire steering lock is not the answer. You only need the entire lock for an extremely slow and tight turn (or, in the case of drifting, recovering from massive oversteer).

The reason I suspect you're using too much steering lock is because it's a very common beginner mistake: if they feel like the car understeers, they often apply more steering lock, which only makes things worse.

However, you didn't clearly state which method of control you're using: wheel or gamepad? If it's the wheel, then what I stand by what I said.

If your car is wanting to go straight while you're turning, this a condition known as understeering. The most common reasons are you're carrying too much speed into the corner or you're getting on the throttle to early. Try braking or slowing down earlier going into the corner and letting the car coast a little until you reach the apex before getting on the gas to counter this. You can also try trail braking which will help. This is a more advanced method though and since you're new to the game may be harder to learn. Basically, you slowly release the brake going into the corner while at the same time slowly getting back on the gas.

Did you try the license tests ? They are a good way to learn a lot about how to drive various cars in GT7, you will get a lot of benefits to pass those licenses (even if Sarah is greatly annoying).

One concept that helped me improve cornering is to know that the car can't do 100% of everything, that is, rotating, braking and accelerating. So if you want 100% rotation, you need 0% braking and 0% acceleration. Sometimes it's just a second before going onto the gas pedal when exiting, but it's common to go into rotation and not fully leaving the break, or trail braking for so long that you brake a bit through all the corner. That would decrease rotation.

Based on your comment it sounds like you are using a wheel.
As others pointed out, you are steering too much, causing understeer. You should feel your wheel vibrating when that happens (may be different on some wheels though). Reduce your turn in until you feel the tires gripping again

This is true, but only in theory. It depends entirely on the situation and the car you're driving. Sometimes throttle is the answer for rotation, wheel is just used for managing the slip angle/controlling the car.

The 100% tire rule is key here. Your tires can only do 100% of 1 thing. So if you are full 100% on the brakes, you have no % left to try and turn with. If you back the brakes off to 80%, now you have 20% to work with for turning, and more and more as you easy off the brakes and turn into a corner. That’s how trail braking works in general, you can brake later, and deeper into a corner that way once you master it. But, and here’s the key, mid corner you need to be fully off of all pedal inputs to get MAX rotation out of the car. As soon as you release that last bit of brake or throttle you’ll feel it, the car just turns that little bit more mid corner.



@Tidgney has a great Driving School series on YT that covers all of this and more in a lot better detail. I highly suggest checking it out.

Aside from the basic advice others have already mentioned, a great way to get more rotation in slow corners is trail braking. While braking does reduce the grip available to an extent, it can also help move more of the weight of the car to the front and allow the front wheels to grip and turn better. If you look at replays from the top drivers, they will usually trail the brakes off slowly as they enter the corner, leaving a small amount of braking as they turn in. It's very tricky to get right, but can really help.

Just to add some practical advice:

Go slower earlier. You'll find the car will respond better and you aren't losing time more shifting where the pace comes from which is a better straighter and smoother exit.

All the theory is correct but the application regardless of control type is about building up to finding the sweet spot between speed and control.

A lot of new players brake aggressively (full braking instantly) too late to balance the car and optimise slowing and control. So brake earlier and a little more gently initially and then add pressure or ease off as needed until the car is moving how you want.

A couple of tips

1. The game lets you go fastest when you have smooth consistent acceleration on corner exit

2. Braking earlier gives you more control and better position and acceleration options

3. While tempting not every corner is the "best" place to overtake, pick your moments.

4. Circuit experiences are crucial to get the most from the game, you'll gain a better understanding of the layouts (which helps with picking those overtakes) and will help you be smoother generally as familiarity is the fastest skill you can have.

5. Remember it takes time to "git gud" and that is not a destination just a journey to get there. Take your time and don't put artificial pressure on yourself, just drive and reflect on your driving without rose tinted glasses on. Be self analyzing.

6. Coast where you can, we all over brake when just coasting or lifting holds a higher speed rather than spikes in speed. Think "smooooooth" over on off inputs

1. First and foremost, I GREATLY APPRECIATE each and every comment from the community. I read ALL of them.
2. Secondly, I apologize for the delay in responding (1 day): I was busy putting into practice everything you mentioned.
3. I should also point out that I play with a CONTROLLER on the PS4.
4. The track in question was the RED BULL RING (from the online event), and the corner was the first one (called "Remus," based on my research). The map is here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/RedBull_Ring_vector_map.png
5. These are my settings (see the photos):
6. Unfortunately, this track is no longer available in "online mode," and I haven’t progressed far enough in the game to unlock it. I’d love to show you how I’m taking the corner.
7. I kindly request you to review my settings and check if any improvements are needed.
8. Lastly, I want to thank this community AGAIN. I’m LOVING the game and connecting with all of you. This world is AMAZING

 

[newmedia_dev]

The track in question was the RED BULL RING (from the online event), and the corner was the first one (called "Remus," based on my research).

Depending on the car (race cars brake just before the 100 yard board, road cars typically a lot earlier)

Brake in a straight line and make sure you turn in early and off the brakes (or trail brake if you are comfortable doing that, the important thing is the major braking is done before you turn in!)

Coast the apex and be patient, wait until the car/track is straightening, if you accelerate to early you push wide and feel like you aren't turning as you'd like.

Practice the timings over and over and gradually build up to later braking and earlier acceleration.

People tend to over attack this corner (and T2 as well) which creates turn in understeer and exit understeer which is the symptoms you describe in not being able to "turn enough"

I'd definitely recommend just doing the few more menus you need to open the track up in the game so that you can access the Circuit Experience, this will let you practice the first sector over and over in short bursts.

Edit:

Here is a short clip of how I take T1 & T2(3) at Red Bull Ring

You can see my brake and accelerator inputs and notice the brief coasting period and also how I'm nearly off the brakes as I get to the Apex.

In Qualifying you'll want to be more aggressive if you are pushing for a really competitive time. But in race conditions reasonable pace and consistency should be the focus.




Edit2: it occurred to me that as a new player and not very deep in to the game is that you might be using some assists like TC, ASM (auto stability management) and counter steer assist. With GR4 cars on race tires typically mean you don't need TC on but ASM will introduce understeer as it's trying to reduce slip at the back and the front and it does this by gently braking each wheel independently

So if you are going to fast for the turn in you are asking it will apply braking which reduces the speed but also responsiveness. If you have them enabled try turning them off and see if the car responds closer to how you want.

 

[EduardoGT7]

Depending on the car (race cars brake just before the 100 yard board, road cars typically a lot earlier)

Brake in a straight line and make sure you turn in early and off the brakes (or trail brake if you are comfortable doing that, the important thing is the major braking is done before you turn in!)

Coast the apex and be patient, wait until the car/track is straightening, if you accelerate to early you push wide and feel like you aren't turning as you'd like.

Practice the timings over and over and gradually build up to later braking and earlier acceleration.

People tend to over attack this corner (and T2 as well) which creates turn in understeer and exit understeer which is the symptoms you describe in not being able to "turn enough"

I'd definitely recommend just doing the few more menus you need to open the track up in the game so that you can access the Circuit Experience, this will let you practice the first sector over and over in short bursts.

Edit:

Here is a short clip of how I take T1 & T2(3) at Red Bull Ring

You can see my brake and accelerator inputs and notice the brief coasting period and also how I'm nearly off the brakes as I get to the Apex.

In Qualifying you'll want to be more aggressive if you are pushing for a really competitive time. But in race conditions reasonable pace and consistency should be the focus.




Edit2: it occurred to me that as a new player and not very deep in to the game is that you might be using some assists like TC, ASM (auto stability management) and counter steer assist. With GR4 cars on race tires typically mean you don't need TC on but ASM will introduce understeer as it's trying to reduce slip at the back and the front and it does this by gently braking each wheel independently

So if you are going to fast for the turn in you are asking it will apply braking which reduces the speed but also responsiveness. If you have them enabled try turning them off and see if the car responds closer to how you want.

Thank you so much for your comment! I watched your video on YouTube and a few others from your channel. It's so cool that you've been playing since the first GT. I wish I had discovered this game earlier. Your driving lines are perfect! I managed to improve my lines in just one day with your video and the tips from others. Thank you so, so much!

 

[Met Entso]

There is another thing, one can practice a single corner 1000 times and 1000 times the ghost of an alien driver will be faster. Always. Really subtle differences that are very hard to see, the precise coordination between steering, braking and accelerating at the right time makes them 1/10 of a second or more faster than the average driver.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

Something I did struggle a lot and I still have to put the effort while racing is the brake release. As someone else said, be smooth and avoid on/off application of brake and gaz.

If you completely release the brake in a fraction of a second, you kind of making the front suspension and tires pop up. This will reduce your front grip and since you are beginning your turn in, you will break traction resulting in understeer.

 

[EduardoGT7]

Here’s a video of mine from today. After watching several videos, learning a lot, and training hard, this is my best lap time on the track. However, where can I improve, and what mistakes am I making? Honestly, to me, the lap feels perfect, but when I play online, I notice other players are 6 seconds faster per lap! That’s a huge difference! Where are my missing 6 seconds?

Settings:

• Controller: PS4
• Transmission: Manual
• TC: 3
• ABS: Default
• Auto-Drive: OFF
• Driving Line Assistance: All
• Brake Indicator: OFF
• Braking Area: On
• ASM: ON
• Countersteering Assistance: OFF

YouTube Video

 

[whiteusagi]

Looking at the video you posted, you are bleeding time everywhere. Any slight turn of the wheel and your TC is kicking in non-stop, and the ASM is constantly flickering as well. Especially as you appear to be driving a 4WD car, I would reduce your TC to 0 and practice/learn to treat the accelerator with more care on corner exits. ASM will also significantly hamper your speed at every corner, so turn that off. These changes alone should guarantee you several seconds of improvement as long as you are capable of driving the same lines shown in the video.