Sunday Mini-Series Interest Gauge

[SagarisGTB]

Welcome to my interest check thread. The purpose of this thread is to gauge interest for the mini-race-series ideas I have come up with. Please vote on the poll and please leave any questions, comments or thoughts, whether they are positive of negative. If there is sufficient interest, I will administrate one of the concept series and will post a new thread for registrations in the "race series" forum.

All three proposals are mini-series that would consist of three 40-65 minute races using purpose built race cars on tracks that fit within the confines of each series theme. Most of the sporting regulations are written up (but not posted here). Races would take place on Sundays and a start time somewhere between 1:00 pm and 5:00 pm CST (1900-2300 GMT) is projected.

Series Outline: The Tri-Auto Cup mini-series would consist of three 40-minute races with three (PD-created) GT-class racing cars racing on GT original tracks. All cars would run at the same weight (1190 kg) and be balanced by PP restrictions. The initial pp restrictions are: the Corvette Z06 RM would race at 612 pp, the IS-F RM would race at 618 pp and the R34 Skyline GT-R TC would race at 624 pp. Drivers would be allowed to adjust power and aerodynamics as they see fit. Before qualifying, drivers would enter the pits in three stages: first the Corvettes, then the IS-Fs and then the Skyline GT-Rs. There is a two stage qualifying system.

Cars (with preliminary pp levels)
P Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) RM ’06 (612 PP)
P Lexus IS F RM ’07 (618 PP) (engine upgrades permitted)
P Nissan SKYLINE GT-R R34 TC (624 PP)

Event Settings
Start type: Grid Start
Penalty: None
Mechanical Damage: Light
Slipstream Strength: Weak
Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption: On
Grip Reduction on wet Track/Track Edge: Real

Points System
1st – 22 points
2nd – 18 points
3rd – 15 points
4th – 12 points
5th – 10 points
6th – 8 points
7th – 6 points
8th – 5 points
9th – 4 points
10th – 3 points
11th – 2 points
12th – 1 point

Qualifying
1st – 3 points
2nd – 2 points
3rd – 1 point

Tentative Calendar
Pre-season race: Trial Mountain – 10 laps – TBD
Round 1: Trial Mountain Reverse – 30 laps – TBD
Round 2: Autumn Ring – 30 laps – TBD
Round 3: Grand Valley Speedway – 20 laps – TBD

Technical Regulations
-Weight: 1190 Kg
-Max HP: N/A
-Max PP: Varies by car
-Adjustable LSD and Chassis Reinforcement are optional
-Unspecified upgrades are NOT allowed (No engine, intake, exhaust and turbo upgrades)
-Racing Hard tires are mandatory at all times (Qualification sessions and races)
-Driving aids are NOT permitted, except for ABS (SFR, TSC, ASM and active steering are all strictly prohibited)
-Repainting the chassis after participation in a championship race is not allowed

Series Overview: The World Sportscar Championship (former name poll) would take place on 4 permanent circuits in Europe and Japan that were used in the late 80s and early 90s by the World Sportscar Championship and All Japan Sports Prototype Championship. Teams would be automatically created based on the manufacturer of car used. Each manufacturer would field up to 3 drivers/cars of a single car model type. Although 3 cars may run in a race for any team, only the points of the top two finishers would count towards team points. Five makes (Jaguar, Sauber-Mercedes, Mazda, Peugeot and Toyota) would run the only Group C car that is available from them in the game. The sixth manufacturer, Nissan, would run the R89C instead of the R92CP for two reasons: (1) the powerful R92CP might be the best Group C car in the game, the performance of the R89C is closer to the majority of the field and (2) the R92CP never raced in the WSC or in Europe. The first two races and the last race would run a distance of 105 miles; the race at La Sarthe would run 20 laps (~65 minutes). Races would run with heavy damage and no qualifying points would be given out. Qualifying would be a simple 10-15 minute session before the race.

Cars
P Jaguar XJR-9 LM Race Car ’88 (Turbo allowed)
P Mazda 787B Race car ’91
S Sauber Mercedes C9 Race Car ’89
S Nissan R89C Race Car ’89
S Peugeot 905 Race Car ’92
S Toyota 88C-V Race Car ’89

Event Settings
Start type: Grid Start
Penalty: None
Mechanical Damage: Heavy
Slipstream Strength: Weak
Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption: On
Grip Reduction on wet Track/Track Edge: Real

Technical Regulations
-Weight: N/A
-Max HP: N/A
-Max PP: 724 PP
-Unspecified upgrades are NOT permitted (No Turbo upgrades or chassis reinforcement)
-Racing Medium or Racing Hard tires are mandatory at all times (Qualification sessions and races)
-Driving aids are NOT permitted, except for ABS (SFR, TSC, ASM and active steering are all strictly prohibited)

Tentative Calendar
Round 1: Suzuka Circuit - 30 laps
Round 2: Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps – 25 laps
Round 3: Circuit de la Sarthe 2005 (No Chicane) – 20 laps
Round 4: Nurburgring GP/F – 33 laps

Points System
Individual Points:
1st – 30 points
2nd – 25 points
3rd – 21 points
4th – 18 points
5th – 16 points
6th – 14 points
7th – 12 points
8th – 10 points
9th – 8 points
10th – 7 points
11th – 6 points
12th – 5 points
13th – 4 points
14th – 3 points

Team Points:
1st – 24 points
2nd – 22 points
3rd – 20 points
4th – 18 points
5th – 16 points
6th – 14 points
7th – 12 points
8th – 10 points
9th – 8 points
10th – 7 points
11th – 6 points
12th – 5 points
13th – 4 points
14th – 3 points

Series Outline: The JGTC mini-series would use all the standard 2000 and 2001 model-year JGTC cars that are available in GT5. Races would be 65 miles in length and would take place on tracks that are based in Japan. I have possession of all the cars in question; however, I have not begun testing them, therefore time would be required to sufficiently balance the cars. Qualifying points would be used in this series, as would a simple two stage qualifying system. I am interested in trying a two compound rule (1 lap on both RH and RMs must be completed during a race) for this series.

Cars
S Honda ARTA NSX (JGTC) ’00
S Honda Castrol MUGEN NSX (JGTC) ’00
S Honda LOCTITE MUGEN NSX (JGTC) ’01
S Honda Mobil 1 NSX (JGTC) ’01
S Honda RAYBRIG NSX (JGTC) ’00
S Nissan CALSONIC SKYLINE (JGTC) ’00
S Nissan LOCTITE ZEXEL GT-R (JGTC) ’00
S Nissan PENNZOIL ZEXEL GT-R (JGTC) ’01
S Nissan XANAVI HIROTO GT-R (JGTC) ’01
S Toyota au CERUMO Supra (JGTC) ’01
S Toyota Castrol TOM’S SUPRA (JGTC) ’00
S Toyota Castrol TOM’S SUPRA (JGTC) ’01
S Toyota DENSO SARD SUPRA GT (JGTC) ’00


Event Settings
Start type: Grid Start
Penalty: None
Mechanical Damage: Light
Slipstream Strength: Weak
Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption: On
Grip Reduction on wet Track/Track Edge: Real

Technical Regulations
TBD

Tentative Calendar
Round 1: Fuji Speedway GT – 23 laps
Round 2: Tokyo R246 – 21 laps
Round 3: Suzuka Circuit – 19 laps

Points System
1st – 22 points
2nd – 18 points
3rd – 15 points
4th – 12 points
5th – 10 points
6th – 8 points
7th – 6 points
8th – 5 points
9th – 4 points
10th – 3 points
11th – 2 points
12th – 1 point

Qualifying
1st – 3 points
2nd – 2 points
3rd – 1 point

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Please leave any comments or thoughts and feel free to ask any question. Thank you for your time.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Thanks for all the votes and replies.

I'm not too bothered by a lack of interest in my series concepts as it's not unexpected, but I was hoping for a few comments and some constructive criticism. Having my thread be completely ignored by the community is a bit of a slap in the face.

 

[ReilavaC]

I'll respond! Two friends and I are trying to find some racing series to enter in. So you can paint me as interested for the JGTC championship.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Thanks for the interest.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Don't be despaired man, the "Interest Check" part of the forums is usually a wasteland. I'm down for anything. My problem is my schedule isn't predictable and I may miss races, sometimes at the last minute, but I'd sure like to try. 👍

If I had to pick one I'd pick the Tri-Auto Cup as I've rarely run any of those cars but anything is fine with me.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Thanks for the support Johnny. The activity in this part of the forum certainly isn't one of the highest around, but nevertheless there are very active threads in this part of the site. However, I'm undeterred. Despite the lack of interest here, I'm going to continue testing with the hope of getting a small series up and running within the next month.

 

[bdubclub]

I would be interested in something if I am around. Maybe if you had some sort of spec races, where you could just jump in the car and go. Either way, I will keep an eye out and if I'm around, I will jump in.

 

[Niop]

I like the Sunday time slot, and I'd be happy running any of the 3 series. I'll keep an eye on this, and will most likely sign up if it ends up going forward.

 

[watermelon punch]

I think the "Interest Checks" part of the forum gets overlooked because it's sort of a sub-level of Racing Series.

I never even go into Racing Series, because other than the one league with seasons I'm in, I'm just not able to commit to series as a general rule.
And also, I think the series section of the forum is kind of cluttered, and has a lot of the kinds of series for which I wouldn't have interest in, even if I was in the market for a series. Just a personal preference thing.

I come here (to Interest Checks) to peek around at odd intervals. See if there's any new & interesting ideas being thrown out. Particularly to see if anyone's planning anything with saloon cars.

I wouldn't respond to this one... Because I'm generally just not that keen on, nor good at racing cars & race cars & racing performance cars & race cars. LOL

I'm a road car fan I guess.

To be honest, the only reason I clicked on this thread is because I thought MAYBE it involved Mini Coopers. LOL

But since there was discussion going on, I thought I'd shove my 2 cents in on this.

If it were up to me, the forum would be organized by having the following sub forums and no sub-sub forums:

1. Series
2. Leagues
3. Clubs
4. Single Events
5. Spot Racing
6. Interest Checks

I put our VCRC club events, which are stand-alone-events, into the Clubs & Leagues, because they don't seem to fit into any other category.
They're not series.
And it's not spot racing.
Spot racing to me is something a little less organized and more impromptu. Our VCRC events are stand-alone-events, but they generally require prep.

For example, getting hold of the car, possibly acquiring a custom track, and they involve results which will be published. Little more formal than spot racing. But not as serious commitment as a lot of series or league racing.

Other thing I have to say seems integral to setting up an event or a series, is that it generally helps if there's 2-3 people in on the initiation.
I'm not sure why exactly. But that's how I've seen it happen. Over & over. Series or Leagues crop up by spontaneous formation between 2 people who get excited about some idea.
I advise teaming up with another individual who's also interested in the same thing you are. I don't know why it works, but it does. 👍

I say this as the "acting front man" of the VCRC. I don't come up with ideas at all myself. I just do the presentation. I have other people whispering in my ear (PMs & hints in other threads) about what they are interested in. So I take those ideas & run with them, present them to see if they get anyone else interested.

Hope this helps. 👍

 

[SagarisGTB]

I would be interested in something if I am around. Maybe if you had some sort of spec races, where you could just jump in the car and go. Either way, I will keep an eye out and if I'm around, I will jump in.

Thanks for your interest. 👍

I enjoy spec racing as well, in fact most of the series I have raced in on GTP are spec series. But with this I'm looking at something a little bit more creative, something that hasn't been done before, while also trying to build a level playing field. I toyed with the idea of an NSX RM or Tuscan RM spec series, but I decided to do a little variety with this.

I like the Sunday time slot, and I'd be happy running any of the 3 series. I'll keep an eye on this, and will most likely sign up if it ends up going forward.

Thanks for your interest. 👍

To be honest, the only reason I clicked on this thread is because I thought MAYBE it involved Mini Coopers. LOL

Apologies. I never considered that the title could be misinterpreted like that.

But since there was discussion going on, I thought I'd shove my 2 cents in on this.

Always welcome, of course.

If it were up to me, the forum would be organized by having the following sub forums and no sub-sub forums:

1. Series
2. Leagues
3. Clubs
4. Single Events
5. Spot Racing
6. Interest Checks

I put our VCRC club events, which are stand-alone-events, into the Clubs & Leagues, because they don't seem to fit into any other category.
They're not series.
And it's not spot racing.
Spot racing to me is something a little less organized and more impromptu. Our VCRC events are stand-alone-events, but they generally require prep.

For example, getting hold of the car, possibly acquiring a custom track, and they involve results which will be published. Little more formal than spot racing. But not as serious commitment as a lot of series or league racing.

I think the VCRC events fits into any of the three main sub-forums here. Each sub-forum caters to events of a common practice, but aren't well defined, so special events can traverse multiple sub-forum categories.

I've seen a race series in this "Race Series" forum be run completely in one day. There is nothing that stipulates that a race series must take place over the course of weeks or months. A race series is simply a succession of race, which the VCRC event I'm registered in very well is. VCRC is also a club/league and the events are short, therefore it also fits in "Clubs and Leagues" and "Spot Races" respectively. Something like this is simply not bound by the sorting of sub-forums.

Other thing I have to say seems integral to setting up an event or a series, is that it generally helps if there's 2-3 people in on the initiation.
I'm not sure why exactly. But that's how I've seen it happen. Over & over. Series or Leagues crop up by spontaneous formation between 2 people who get excited about some idea.
I advise teaming up with another individual who's also interested in the same thing you are. I don't know why it works, but it does. 👍

I say this as the "acting front man" of the VCRC. I don't come up with ideas at all myself. I just do the presentation. I have other people whispering in my ear (PMs & hints in other threads) about what they are interested in. So I take those ideas & run with them, present them to see if they get anyone else interested.

What you say is true. When more people are involved from the start, it leads to a better web of ideas, connections and friendships, and helps to initiate a base for any series, league or club. Also, more people sharing a workload can lead to smoother operation.

But, a benevolent iron-fist ruling dictator can also make things work, sometimes very well. The first GT series I participated in was an offline GT4 series run by one man who was stern, passionate and made things work. I, likewise, ran a GT4 series myself, with good results. It's hard work running things on your own, but the reward is the excitement people show when they are enjoying your product. With an online GT5 series, it is much the same. I might be mistaken, but I believe R1600Turbo, Gamesta and a few others run successful series pretty much on their own. It's not unusual.

I posted this thread for the help of the people. If someone approached me with a proposition of a partnership, I would keenly consider it. But I'm willing to go at it alone and I know what it takes to run something like this.

Thanks for your post. Always appreciated.

 

[watermelon punch]

I might be mistaken, but I believe R1600Turbo, Gamesta and a few others run successful series pretty much on their own. It's not unusual.

If I'm not mistaken, R1600Turbo has been doing this for a gazillion years. LOL
Do we know if he started out doing it from the get-go on his own? Or was it the brainchild of 2-3 people, and he's the only one who stuck through over the years in keeping on... ?

I don't know one way or the other btw.

But I say this because the VCRC was someone else's idea with me, but then kind of went to me, because I & a few others had some very formed ideas.

In other words, things develop in progression... and sometimes I get ideas from people I never race with.

Don't give up though.

 

[acedition333]

I'd Be interested in the TRI-Auto CUP. Hopefully if you get more interest in this, it can get started. 👍

 

[SagarisGTB]

Update: The Group C Euro Tour has been renamed the World Sportscar Championship; HP limit has been abolished, PP limit (724) has been installed; team points are differentiated from individual points; Suzuka added to calendar, Nurburgring moved; spreadsheet created. Testing is underway.

Tri-Auto Cup has been updated but not in this thread. I will create a thread in the main forum shortly with all the details. Testing is almost complete and most regulations and procedures have been finalized. Series spreadsheet.

I'd Be interested in the TRI-Auto CUP. Hopefully if you get more interest in this, it can get started. 👍

Thanks for your interest, Ace. 👍

 

[joetruckv8]

I would say prototypes is a good bet. I've only seen 1 guy have a prototype series. Everybody else does the whole Le Mans thing, and most of the field picks GT cars anyways. If you do prototypes only you might find people coming out of the wood-works? 👍

 

[SagarisGTB]

The series based around Group C cars is the one I want to race the most. As you say, there is only one series around here that uses prototypes exclusively and there is a second that uses them with GT cars; however, both predominantly use modern LMPs and neither focuses on Group C category racecars. In fact, I think, at the moment, neither allows the use of any Group C cars at all. Which is a shame, as Group C cars are some of the most impressive machines ever built and many were ahead of their time in terms of design and performance.

Problem is, I gather, that interest in high-class racing is rather small around here. The fact that most of the field picks GT cars in gogatrs series seems to indicate that there is more interest in driving GT cars than prototypes among GTplanet racers. Furinkazen ran a spot race using Group C cars exclusively a while back and participation from this forum was low. The Group C concept has very little votes on the poll in this thread. Thus, I'm keeping the WSC mostly on the backburner for now, though I'll keep developing the concept slowly nonetheless, and I'm pushing forward with the Tri-Auto Cup concept.

 

[bdubclub]

I didn't vote for it, but I wouldn't mind running some group C cars in a one off Sunday event. I am pretty clueless when it comes to tuning these beasts, but would love to give it a try. 👍 . Either way I'm keeping an eye on your thread, and will give any series you put on a go, as long as the time permits that is.

 

[joetruckv8]

Well lets pick a free day, and setup up a Group C spot race at least 2 weeks out or more. I can put to treads up, 1 in the interest checks, and another in the spot race section. I believe if we give it 2 to 3 weeks time, quite a few people might be able to make time to fit it in there series schedules? Plus Spot Race = no comments for right now'

 

[SagarisGTB]

As I said before, Furinkazen ran a Group C spot race about a month ago, but there's no harm in giving that a try. PM me and we'll go over the details.