Supercar Challenge Help

[Open Addict]

Won the race fairly handily, after some practice and never shifting down to first; Thanks for all your help.

Follow up question: In the races without rolling start, my car redlines and loses a couple seconds out of the starting gates. I think I am doing something wrong during the countdown. Can anyone shed some light on this?

You cant just mash the accelerator when you take off or during the countdown, you have to ease on the power to not get wheel spin.

 

[slowman]

If you're using a DualShock 2 just use the old *tap*tap*tap*tap* method.

The buttons are pressure sensitive on a DualShock 2 but I find it finicky and imprecise.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Many members have said it before, and I will say it again. It's kinda pointless to race with the AI, because the skill stays the same level, whether be driving low powered or really fast cars (Supercars in this case). I hope GT5 changes that. It would make for a whole better game. 👍

I don't mind "tuning down" to the Ai's level. That's exactly what I did, matter of fact...entered a car with over 493 horspower (or whatever the minimal limit is) and then tuned way down below this once I entered the series. 💡 Imagine if 493 was the actual FINAL limit of these races. 👎 They'd be a walkover for us.

My problem with these races is that there's usually just one "supercar" near the front of the race, and everyone else falls way behind. I like races in which two or more cars fight near-evenly for the front lines. Midfield and Infineon are two exceptions to this--at these 2 tracks the Ai fights more evenly if you've got the grid set up a certain way.

 

[granturismohero]

Well aren't you a ******* Hero.
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Whoa. Did I say something wrong?

 

[slowman]

He was making light of the fact that the Escudo isn't well liked around here. It takes little skill to drive balls out fast. It's a "cheater car" essentially. I don't want to speak for him but I'm pretty sure that was his point.

 

[oldmodelt]

He was making light of the fact that the Escudo isn't well liked around here. It takes little skill to drive balls out fast. It's a "cheater car" essentially. I don't want to speak for him but I'm pretty sure that was his point.

I'm a little off topic, but I agree totally. I jumped from GT2 to 4 missing 3 altogether. Worked to get the Escudo based on it's GT2 rep. Was disappointed. Great car but IMO really only useful for a couple of tracks. To much HP/wheelspin most of the time.

 

[Open Addict]

Whoa. Did I say something wrong?

My apologies for coming across harsh, however just saying the Escudo, does not really help.
It does however help if you post a little more information than just the car name.
Also, have you tried driving the Escudo on sport tyres, there would be way too much wheel spin and, if the original poster is having trouble beating the Supercar challenge with a Ford GT, I have trouble believing that the Escudo would be any better. Espescially being that Lamrock stated they do not want to use driving aids.

He was making light of the fact that the Escudo isn't well liked around here. It takes little skill to drive balls out fast. It's a "cheater car" essentially. I don't want to speak for him but I'm pretty sure that was his point.

It's not that it is a "cheater car" but more to the fact that there was little help with just posting a car.
And posting a car, that would be almost un-drivable with S type tyres, too some-one who may not be able to handle it.

I'm a little off topic, but I agree totally. I jumped from GT2 to 4 missing 3 altogether. Worked to get the Escudo based on it's GT2 rep. Was sorely disappointed. Great car but IMO really only useful for a couple of tracks. To much HP/wheelspin most of the time.

The only thing the Escudo is good for, IMHO, is 'Like the Wind' for 200 A-spec points.
And before some-one dances in saying I am forcing my opinion on every-one. It is only an opinion and not meant to be taken as gospel.

 

[granturismohero]

My apologies for coming across harsh, however just saying the Escudo, does not really help.
It does however help if you post a little more information than just the car name.
Also, have you tried driving the Escudo on sport tyres, there would be way too much wheel spin and, if the original poster is having trouble beating the Supercar challenge with a Ford GT, I have trouble believing that the Escudo would be any better. Espescially being that Lamrock stated they do not want to use driving aids.
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Escudo's a great car. I could pretty much win any race with that car. Not too good handling though. I really dont have much information on what car to use on the supercar challenge because I dont really remember what cars it involve. Pretty much because I lost my Gran Turismo 4 game when I was moving, so I havent played it in over half a year.

I pretty much just get some car, tune it up real high, and win all my races that way.

 

[mafia_boy]

What a way to play a game, pick one car for EVERY race, what a way to experience the depth of a game like GT4 is!!

I'm sorry, but I can't believe this drivel. The Escudo is good for two things only:

1. Like The Wind race
2. 400m/1000m racing

That's it!! I very much doubt you could win the following races in the Escudo without any form of cheating:

George Paris V - Normal/Hard
Citta Di Aria - Normal/Hard
Chamonix - Normal/Hard
Motegi Super Speedway Enduro
Laguna Seca 200mile Enduro
ANY Nurburgring race (4hr, 24hr)

I want to see proof on ANY of these tracks, I don't believe anything that anyone says when they claim they've done nearly every race with an Escudo.

*holds the BS flag ready to hoist*

On Topic - To the original poster, here are my suggestions for possible cars to smash the competition in Supercar Challenge (taken from a similar thread from another GTP'er).

STi Spec C fully worked - 522hp.
Holden Commodore fully worked - 710hp
FPV F6 Typhoon fully worked - 749hp

All of them are over the minimum requirements for the power needed and all will smash the competition. Others include:

Worked Shelby Series 1
Dodge Viper SRT-10
Ford GT
BMW M5
Pagani Zonda
TVR Speed 12......

 

[Open Addict]

Escudo's a great car. I could pretty much win any race with that car.

What mafs said.

Not too good handling though.

My point excatly. I mean Lamrock said they had trouble with a Ford GT.

I really dont have much information on what car to use on the supercar challenge because I dont really remember what cars it involve. Pretty much because I lost my Gran Turismo 4 game when I was moving, so I havent played it in over half a year.

Then why post something that has no real relevence or helpfullness to the one who has a problem.

I pretty much just get some car, tune it up real high, and win all my races that way.

It's your game and you can play how you want. I'm not critzing that. Just some constructive critisism about the way you were trying to be helpfull. A little bit more information can go a very long way.

 

[granturismohero]

What a way to play a game, pick one car for EVERY race, what a way to experience the depth of a game like GT4 is!!

I'm sorry, but I can't believe this drivel. The Escudo is good for two things only:

1. Like The Wind race
2. 400m/1000m racing

That's it!! I very much doubt you could win the following races in the Escudo without any form of cheating:

George Paris V - Normal/Hard
Citta Di Aria - Normal/Hard
Chamonix - Normal/Hard
Motegi Super Speedway Enduro
Laguna Seca 200mile Enduro
ANY Nurburgring race (4hr, 24hr)

I want to see proof on ANY of these tracks, I don't believe anything that anyone says when they claim they've done nearly every race with an Escudo.

It's really not that hard to drive. The Escudo's rediculous excelleration makes up for its bad handling and struggling top speed. Again, I never said I just pick one car, and win every races on the game, thats stupid. I said I'll pick some cars, and tune them up as high as they go, then win some races that way.

But definately NOT the escudo. As a matter of fact, I think I sold that car like 4 times.
Dont get so up tight man. Its just a game.

 

[mafia_boy]

Me and uptight are two things that don't go together dude and people know that for real on here. However, you claimed the following and I quote:

Escudo's a great car. I could pretty much win any race with that car.

I am asking for proof that you can do it because I (along with others) straight out don't believe you and it's almost worthy of going in the ludicrous claim thread. Simple. You claimed it and not me, remember that. Show me proof that you could win those races I listed and then I will give you respect.

Otherwise, quit while you're behind because the hole you will dig will only get deeper for you.

 

[granturismohero]

Well then I'll just have to be stuck in this hole till I get another Gran Turismo 4 game, or find my old one.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Maybe granturismohero is confused with GT2, in which an Excuse-o really could defeat any level of racing. GT4's Excuseo is harder to drive.

 

[mafia_boy]

He made the claim Parnelli, he has to stand by it. I don't need to claim with my times or performances, I back them up with pics that have been verified on two different sites.

granturismohero, GT4 copies can be had for a few dollars now, so it's not breaking the bank to replace it with a fresh copy. 👍 I'll be watching this thread to see what you come up with in the future.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yea I know. I'd like to see him back it up in GT4, too. I still think he's confused with GT2, tho.

 

[granturismohero]

I've only ever played gran turismo 2 twice. I'm talking about the Gran Turismo 4 Escudo. I've never driven the one on gt2, but the Escudo on gt4 is really NOT THAT hard to drive. It's ridiculous excelleration make up for all its bad qualities. Like I said, I lost the gran turismo 4 game I had, I've got to get some things done right now before I get another one.

 

[rheinaoi]

First of all, I have to thank all of you for starting this debate. I've been looking for interesting things to do with gt4.

I will warn you in advance. My connection is terrible and for now, I won't be posting pictures. I lag behind experts by a lot, but I am a clean driver. But, I have to agree with granturismohero on this one. I just got back from testing on Citta Di Aria (Hard).

It's a challenge (pain) to drive the car cleanly, but it can be done, and you can win by a very large margin. My best lap was a 1:22:xxx going forward with one mistaken wall tap (it cost me time actually...). This was on RSHs. There's a lot of time a more skilled driver could slice off of that.

I also tried the car on Nurburgring family cup. I decided I'd rather not go against Group C cars, so I set the difficulty to around 4. It gave me a line-up that included the Zonda Race Car, MacLaren F1, GTR Race Car and the CLK GTR. Again, I was on RSHs.

The first lap was a pain, but the car started making sense. I pulled out to a 20 second lead at the end of lap 1. By lap two, I was more than 50 seconds ahead. The tires were still green. I can definitely get three laps out of this car on RSHs on the Ring. My second lap was a 6:01:xxx. I had only one off-track excursion, and that was a mistake that cost me a second.

This time and pit strategy makes the Ring 24hr race very much winnable, even against the Chapperal 2D. At least in theory... I'm not sure what chassis wear would do to the handling, though. The car was erratic under heavy braking to big with.

I'm going to run the Laguna Seca 200 miles. I also believe this race will be a blowout. My best practice run was in the 1:18s; again, on RSHs. I'll let you know my results in the next couple of days.

My verdict:
The car's low speed cornering is an issue because of the acceleration. The lag can be beaten by just staying in lower gears (i.e. I will bounce off the rev limiter in hairpins or other turns to keep the revs up) for corners, or using the lag to your advantage to keep the car under control through the corner. What is surprising is the car's high speed cornering. With the right throttle control the speeds are definitely competitive. Maybe not on the group-c level, but the car is still fast. Is it realistic racing it on these tracks? It is fun on the super technical tight circuits? Not really. But the acceleration will put a smile on your face.

Thanks again, all!

 

[rheinaoi]

Sorry, double post

 

[mafia_boy]

See, this is EXACTLY what I meant. You cannot face them all out and if you did you would get annilihated by them. You have to pussyfoot it around and face weaker lineups. For a start, for a +4 FC, the AI's aren't even in your league, and then on top of that you're using nearly 1000hp of Escudo to beat 611hp of Zonda LM. That is no real effort, I've smashed that Zonda LM using a completely stock (except oil change), 473hp M3 Race Car in Dream Car Championship. If you said you'd beaten the Group C's on +10 THEN I might have taken notice. I haven't seen that yet, and the leading AI car in the 24hr race doesn't go slow so I'm not too sure about your "strategy".

Apart from Citta Di Aria (going from your post, it sounds like you did forward & reverse), nothing's been proven to make me humble pie, especially since there is no proof to verify it. Anything would do, jpeg's, YT Video, whatever! Atleast you've been nice enough rheinaoi to provide some laptimes to go off which will be good for comparisons in the near future.

Finally, of course the acceleration will put a smile on your face, that's why it's the poster child of the 400m/1000m sprints.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

See, this is EXACTLY what I meant. You cannot face them all out and if you did you would get annilihated by them. You have to pussyfoot it around and face weaker lineups. For a start, for a +4 FC, the AI's aren't even in your league, and then on top of that you're using nearly 1000hp of Escudo to beat 611hp of Zonda LM. That is no real effort, I've smashed that Zonda LM using a completely stock (except oil change), 473hp M3 Race Car in Dream Car Championship. If you said you'd beaten the Group C's on +10 THEN I might have taken notice. I haven't seen that yet, and the leading AI car in the 24hr race doesn't go slow so I'm not too sure about your "strategy".

...not to mention he used racing tires in a +4 Family Cup against sports cars. I'd say use S2's at the least. If he decides to do a +10 race, then he can use racing tires, since all the Ai is probably using them too.

Let's remember granturismohero's original claim, in which he said: Escudo's a great car. I could pretty much win any race with that car.

 

[mafia_boy]

I'm seriously considering taking this over to the ludicrous claims thread Parnelli. I might ask one of the bosses if this actually would qualify for that thread because all that previous guy did was validate MY claims, not the other guys.

Be right back.

 

[rheinaoi]

Yup, I raced in both directions on Citta Di Aria and won both. The forward version is among my favorite tracks. The reverse is... less so. I was overcooking corners and picking up 5 second penalties once per lap. It was a nightmare, but easily won.

As for the rest...

Fair enough, I will take the original claim into consideration. The Escudo isn't a great car, but I have to defend granturismohero for the tracks that Mafia_Boy listed. I know already one of those is definitely impossible (Motegi, the land of extreme downforce, the F1 and Group Cs...), however I believe there are many more races that can be won.

I will try to keep the pussy-footing to minimum from now on.

I took the Escudo out to the Ring, switched to R2s and ran the Family Cup at maximum difficulty. The laps were messy with a lot of stupid mistakes, and passing was a pain, but I must say that here, the Escudo can win against the Group-C racers. The tires were also around the orange zone by the end of two laps. With a more skilled driver behind the wheel, the Escudo can crush the AI Group Cs.

To verify the tire argument brought up earlier (so outside of arcade mode, the game actually puts S tires on racecars in the lower difficulty? Can anyone verify this?), I also went to Extreme Hall and entered the Ring race in Gran Turismo All Stars. Yes, yes, I know, the AI makes stupid tire choices and the race becomes easy near the end; however, I was in the lead halfway into lap 1 and pulling away regardless of the AIs' pace and warmed-up tires. There were also two cars that could make the full two laps.

I spun out twice, lost time all over the place and still managed to win by at least 12 seconds.

If necessary I will take the car to Arcade Mode and do the same test with more laps. I will also run the Gran Turismo World Championship, see how many races can be won, and post a write-up about it when I have the time.

Now, if this car can beat the Group-C's then it can most certainly win the 4hr Nurburgring Endurance, and yes, I believe fully that it can win the 24hr race as well.

I've tested a lot for the 24hr Nurburgring and won it in A-spec. The fastest car I've seen is the Chapperal 2D, which runs 7:00s easily (I'll give it a 6:48:xxx fastest lap just to be fair). The Escudo can run 6 minutes FLAT (easily...) and can break into the 5:50s (with a better driver 5:40s look possible. That is coming close to AI F1 territory) The only other competition in that race is the M3 GTR, the Touring Cars, JGTC 300 cars and that Godzilla Skyline. The Escudo will completely destroy them, but by the comments posted, all of you know this already.

My point is, if I can win the 24hr Ring with a car that is half a minute slower (fully-tuned Elise Type 72, switching back and forth between R2s and R3s), AND running on a 2 Lap pit strategy, doesn't it make a little sense that the Escudo, running half a minute faster and running a 3-lap (or even more) pit strategy can do the same? Chassis wear looks like a factor, but that was also the case for the Elise.

Yes, I put some thought into it, so it is a strategy. It just needs to be tested If you can consistently put the AI car down 30+ seconds before having to pit, no matter the tires and no matter how many times more you have to pit than the AI, the race is over. From all that I've seen in testing now, the Escudo can do that in the 24hr Nurburgring race. Running S tires might be the only way to make it fair/challenging.

I stand by my belief that the Escudo can win the 24hr race, whatever AI rabbit the game can throw at it. Do Group Cs race the 24hr Nurb on your copy of GT4? If so, can you tell me where I can pick up one for myself?

I'm not trying to make anyone take notice. I am fully aware of and have accepted that, at best, I'll be average in GT. I just wanted to prove a point and say that if I can do it, anyone else can. 👍

I have uploaded JPEGs of the race results. I have no idea sadly how you will verify that I wasn't cheating with these pictures. All I can say is that I enjoy the game too much and have played too long to care about cheating.

Again, I have to thank you all for giving me more ideas to try out for GT4.

 

[mafia_boy]

That's the first bit of proof I've seen. Thankyou rheinaoi. 👍 I hereby retract any insinutation that it can't be done then. It's people like yourself that put the effort to show proof that give me faith in the true racers of GTPlanet.

Since you've done that, after TCv5 judging completes I'll have a little phase of Escudo driving myself and see how far we can take this.

Once again, thankyou *takes my humble pie and starts scoffing it down*.

 

[granturismohero]

I'm glad we've all come to an understanding.