Supra Rz-97 (Drift Tunes?)

[Trader]

Would someone happen to have any good drifting tunes they could send me?? Im having a bit of trouble getting mine to work well.

 

[You Drunk Bro]

Wheel or controller? I need a wheel tune for a Supra as well.

 

[eddyac]

Nobody has the same Drift Style , My advice would be put a Basic tune on it and tune it to your style , no one can give you a perfect tune.

 

[Trader]

Im not looking for a perfect tune, only something good to start off with.

Nobody has the same Drift Style , My advice would be put a Basic tune on it and tune it to your style , no one can give you a perfect tune.

 

[GhostZ]

Nobody has the same Drift Style , My advice would be put a Basic tune on it and tune it to your style , no one can give you a perfect tune.

Define 'perfect'. Because there are ways to make a tune, with a skilled enough drifter, that does exactly as expected.





Try to drift the supra on stock settings first, (not 'bought everything, actually stock, and on low-grip tires) and then if you can't, start tuning to rectify why you can't drift it. Weight modifications are acceptable, since they might actually give you a little better stiffness to prevent the body roll overwhelming you.

Start with just the spring rates and camber, and move up to things like the engine and LSD. There are guides that explain how to do all of that.

 

[eddyac]

You guys don't like the word Perfect I see...
Nobody can give a very very good tune that suits your style there's always something that's wrong you want to change , transition , speed , angle etc... to adjust your style its not like a racing tune. Im no Tuning Guru but these are my 2cents.

 

[KING OF SKULLS]

Not only that suits your style, there are also different styles of setups that all work for you.
You can get the same speed, angle, transition out of different setups. I agree that there is no "perfect" in a setup of a car.

 

[shmogt]

I got a sick Supra tune http://www.team-shmo.com/Tunes/Toyota/Drift/Toyota-SUPRA-RZ-997.php

 

[GhostZ]

You guys don't like the word Perfect I see...
Nobody can give a very very good tune that suits your style there's always something that's wrong you want to change , transition , speed , angle etc... to adjust your style its not like a racing tune. Im no Tuning Guru but these are my 2cents.

Perfect is fine, but it's just not very descriptive. If you know the area you want to drift and how you want to drift it, given what you can tune there is a tune that will give you exactly what you want to the highest degree. That is perfect.

But that "perfect" requires that you can drive the car to a level that achieves it. If you can't, then you have to make up for that by making the tune not 'perfect'. So there is another, different definition for "perfect" that is "perfect for your current style and ability".

But if your 'style' is objectively bad at drifting, then even tuning for your 'style' won't make your drifting better.

See my point?

 

[Gonales]

Perfect is fine, but it's just not very descriptive. If you know the area you want to drift and how you want to drift it, given what you can tune there is a tune that will give you exactly what you want to the highest degree. That is perfect.

But that "perfect" requires that you can drive the car to a level that achieves it. If you can't, then you have to make up for that by making the tune not 'perfect'. So there is another, different definition for "perfect" that is "perfect for your current style and ability".

But if your 'style' is objectively bad at drifting, then even tuning for your 'style' won't make your drifting better.

See my point?

You seem to forget one little thing. Perfection is impossible.

 

[GhostZ]

You seem to forget one little thing. Perfection is impossible.

Very enlightening.

You should write scripts for Disney.

 

[MLR_DAnGeR_KiiD]

You seem to forget one little thing. Perfection is impossible.

+1 👍

 

[GhostZ]

To clarify, my entire point of my post was explaining that certain "types" of perfection are possible, depending on what you call it, since it's very vague.

Of course, if you don't try to think carefully about the words you use, yeah, "perfection is impossible" sounds nice but doesn't mean anything.

 

[Gonales]

To clarify, my entire point of my post was explaining that certain "types" of perfection are possible, depending on what you call it, since it's very vague.

Of course, if you don't try to think carefully about the words you use, yeah, "perfection is impossible" sounds nice but doesn't mean anything.

Let me clarify... I don't care what type of perfection you're talking about. None of them, will reach actual perfection.

 

[Megamarcx84]

Let me clarify... I don't care what type of perfection you're talking about. None of them, will reach actual perfection.

Yikes..total killjoy moment, lol..but she has a point; maybe "optimum performance" should be used instead? But even then OP, its all kind of subjective. For a Supra, get about 300-400 hp, stage 2 weight reduction, rollcage, lower suspension to about -10 f and r and anti rolls to 5, f and r;LSD to 5 60 60..even with stock spring rates you should be able to drift any rwd car with the above tune; to achieve "optimum performance" you have to stop asking and start driving. Start grinding in offline, messing with the camber and spring rates until it feels more comfortable, then add horsepower, or reduce weight, etc

 

[Adrenaline]

2 for the RZ and 2 for the SZ-R in my sig.

Perfection is open to interpretation, thus lies within the eye of the beholder, ergo can be reached, not impossible, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Gonales]

2 for the RZ and 2 for the SZ-R in my sig.

Perfection is open to interpretation, thus lies within the eye of the beholder, ergo can be reached, not impossible, etc. etc. etc.

Not really, because perfection is the point where it can't be improved. But it always can, that's the thing

 

[lvl1dnIghT7un3R]

Everyone has different drift styles. So someone's "perfect tune" given to you, may just suck.

Nobody has the same Drift Style , My advice would be put a Basic tune on it and tune it to your style , no one can give you a perfect tune.

 

[GhostZ]

Not really, because perfection is the point where it can't be improved. But it always can, that's the thing

This is really stupid, but let's go with it. I understand why you feel the need to post this, its witty and sounds nice and reflects your view on drifting. But it is also not, in anyway, correct in respect to what you are trying to respond to.

I'm not a mod, but it greatly bothers me to see a reply that is both unnecessary and incorrect (and I will explain why its incorrect right below this). You don't have to agree with me, but if you're going to disagree, either make it about the topic, and/or disagree in a coherent manner.

Why your post isn't right as is, even though it could be if you explained it better:

1. You define perfection as "no longer can be improved". Not only is this a completely different definition than what I and others posted, but you don't even give terms for improvement. That's fine, but you can't start comparing them.

2. Your definition of 'perfection' is different different enough that saying your definition of perfection is 'impossible' because of this vague notion of improvement, therefore makes our definitions impossible is completely wrong. One idea being 'impossible' does not make all other ideas, even if they are somewhat similar, impossible as well.

3. This has nothing to do with the Supra RZ, or help the OP tune it. My post does, and I gave you a courtesy post expecting you to understand this, but you're still replying.


Adrenaline and lvl1dnIghT7un3R have it right. Once you know what you want to do, aka "gain perspective" or "Define your terms" as goals, a perfect tune should achieve with the highest possible degree of achievement available. That is the perfect tune. If you are not a good enough drifter to do this, then you have to become a better driver that can, or make your tune worse, so that you can approach it and get better results, fitting your flaws. That is how tuning works.

Forgive me for not making this post about the main topic of tuning, but I feel there is some serious misinformation among the posters about what tuning is.

 

[michrulejj]

This is really stupid, but let's go with it. I understand why you feel the need to post this, its witty and sounds nice and reflects your view on drifting. But it is also not, in anyway, correct in respect to what you are trying to respond to.

I'm not a mod, but it greatly bothers me to see a reply that is both unnecessary and incorrect (and I will explain why its incorrect right below this). You don't have to agree with me, but if you're going to disagree, either make it about the topic, and/or disagree in a coherent manner.

Why your post isn't right as is, even though it could be if you explained it better:

1. You define perfection as "no longer can be improved". Not only is this a completely different definition than what I and others posted, but you don't even give terms for improvement. That's fine, but you can't start comparing them.

2. Your definition of 'perfection' is different different enough that saying your definition of perfection is 'impossible' because of this vague notion of improvement, therefore makes our definitions impossible is completely wrong. One idea being 'impossible' does not make all other ideas, even if they are somewhat similar, impossible as well.

3. This has nothing to do with the Supra RZ, or help the OP tune it. My post does, and I gave you a courtesy post expecting you to understand this, but you're still replying.


Adrenaline and lvl1dnIghT7un3R have it right. Once you know what you want to do, aka "gain perspective" or "Define your terms" as goals, a perfect tune should achieve with the highest possible degree of achievement available. That is the perfect tune. If you are not a good enough drifter to do this, then you have to become a better driver that can, or make your tune worse, so that you can approach it and get better results, fitting your flaws. That is how tuning works.

Forgive me for not making this post about the main topic of tuning, but I feel there is some serious misinformation among the posters about what tuning is.

+1,000 Agreed completely. As I am fairly new to drifting I have found out that start with everything stock and change it to fit "YOUR" drifting style. Well stated 👍

 

[lvl1dnIghT7un3R]

Well said GhostZ 👍

As for...

Would someone happen to have any good drifting tunes they could send me?? Im having a bit of trouble getting mine to work well.

Try to take a look at some of these...

Drifting FAQ by nk4e
Drift Tuning by Eric1512
Team NEMESIS Gran Turismo 5 Drift Setup Guide
**FR Drift Guide** by Boundary Layer and Swift

There are many more, just use the search button.

 

[Gonales]

This is really stupid, but let's go with it. I understand why you feel the need to post this, its witty and sounds nice and reflects your view on drifting. But it is also not, in anyway, correct in respect to what you are trying to respond to.

What does the word perfection have to do with my view on drifting? (Yes, I know we are going off topic, but...)

I'm not a mod, but it greatly bothers me to see a reply that is both unnecessary and incorrect (and I will explain why its incorrect right below this). You don't have to agree with me, but if you're going to disagree, either make it about the topic, and/or disagree in a coherent manner.

Incorrect? Look up the meaning of the word perfection... Freedom of defect or flawlessness. But how can a car be setup in a way that is flawless? A car, and it's setup will always have limits... Everything has limits.

Why your post isn't right as is, even though it could be if you explained it better:

1. You define perfection as "no longer can be improved". Not only is this a completely different definition than what I and others posted, but you don't even give terms for improvement. That's fine, but you can't start comparing them.

You call something that you think is okay, perfect. Excuse me, but you, nor I have the skills to tune a car to perfection. Nobody has. Simply because we don't have complete knowledge of the programming of GT5 physics.

2. Your definition of 'perfection' is different different enough that saying your definition of perfection is 'impossible' because of this vague notion of improvement, therefore makes our definitions impossible is completely wrong. One idea being 'impossible' does not make all other ideas, even if they are somewhat similar, impossible as well.

This really, makes no sense at all...

3. This has nothing to do with the Supra RZ, or help the OP tune it. My post does, and I gave you a courtesy post expecting you to understand this, but you're still replying.[/QUOTE]

Your post, did not contain ANY help towards the OP, and you make fun of eddy's choice of words who, in fact... Is actually helping the OP.

Adrenaline and lvl1dnIghT7un3R have it right. Once you know what you want to do, aka "gain perspective" or "Define your terms" as goals, a perfect tune should achieve with the highest possible degree of achievement available. That is the perfect tune. If you are not a good enough drifter to do this, then you have to become a better driver that can, or make your tune worse, so that you can approach it and get better results, fitting your flaws. That is how tuning works.

Let's go with their version: Perfect is in the eye of the beholder. Which would make it a matter of preference. But it goes further than that...

To make a setup perfect, it needs to deliver the best performance in ALL situations. Frankly, it can't. It can rain, or the Grip Reduction settings might be on Low. Or the person you're tandeming with is using a really fast/slow car. This would require you to change your setup, which means the setup you used before is not perfect, because you need to change it...

Forgive me for not making this post about the main topic of tuning, but I feel there is some serious misinformation among the posters about what tuning is.

Tuning is adapting the car, so that it is better suited for the things you want it to do.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Incorrect? Look up the meaning of the word perfection... Freedom of defect or flawlessness. But how can a car be setup in a way that is flawless? A car, and it's setup will always have limits... Everything has limits.

Flawless =/= unlimited. Everything has limits, yes, but it has nothing to do with perfection.

You call something that you think is okay, perfect. Excuse me, but you, nor I have the skills to tune a car to perfection. Nobody has. Simply because we don't have complete knowledge of the programming of GT5 physics.

So, if someone has complete knowledge of the programmin of GT5 physics they can make a perfect tune? I thought perfection was impossible.

To make a setup perfect, it needs to deliver the best performance in ALL situations. Frankly, it can't. It can rain, or the Grip Reduction settings might be on Low. Or the person you're tandeming with is using a really fast/slow car. This would require you to change your setup, which means the setup you used before is not perfect, because you need to change it...

You don't really need to change your setup to make your car do certain things, such as follow someone's else car, there is where driving skill comes in. You adapt yourself to the car/situation, and not adapt the car to the situation.

Tuning is adapting the car, so that it is better suited for the things you want it to do.

If it fits everything i want it to do, wouldn't it be perfect for me?

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Besides, to the OP, you could try to find it here:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=135527

I never looked this thread, but since many people use Supras, i believe you can find a tune here.

 

[Adrenaline]

Gonales is a perfect example of a troll.

See... perfection does exist.

 

[JR86]

This DarkAvengerZR1/GhostZ/Gonales war of words never ceases to make me laugh at how one tries to undermine the other

To the OP: This is my current JZA80 tune:
PARTS
1275kg (full weight reduction)
539 BHP (Stage 3 NA tuning, ECU, Sports intake, Sports manifold, Sports Cat, Sports exhaust and low RPM turbo)
5 aerodynamics
Fully changeable tranny at 290km/h
Twin plate clutch
Sports flywheel
Carbon prop shaft
Fully customisable LSD
Fully customisable suspension kit
5:8 brake adjustment

SUSPENSION
-20 : -22 Ride height
8.8 : 7.3 spring rate
5 : 5 dampers (extension and compression)
6 : 6 Anti roll
1.5 : 0.7 Camber
0.04 : 0.08 Toe angle

LSD
30
25
15

Just look at some tuning guides and work on it from there (this is comp spec by the way so it's a speed and angle getter for sure)

 

[Gonales]

Flawless =/= unlimited. Everything has limits, yes, but it has nothing to do with perfection.

Yes, limits and flawlessness aren't the same, but they both have something to do with perfection. Never claimed they were the same you know...

So, if someone has complete knowledge of the programmin of GT5 physics they can make a perfect tune? I thought perfection was impossible.

Yeah, because that person can't have the knowledge that is needed. Or do you think ONE person was responsible for all the programming? Plus there are more things he/she needs to know.

You don't really need to change your setup to make your car do certain things, such as follow someone's else car, there is where driving skill comes in. You adapt yourself to the car/situation, and not adapt the car to the situation.

You do need to adapt your car. If you don't, how will the car be perfect for every single situation? It can't...

If it fits everything i want it to do, wouldn't it be perfect for me?

No, because it can always be better. The fact that you're content with a car, doesn't mean it's perfect. Thats like saying, (like Ghost does), that you're a perfect tuner, and frankly, I don't believe that.

Gonales is a perfect example of a troll.

See... perfection does exist.

Can you give me the definition of trolling? Plus, I guess a better troll would speak more languages really? Considering I can't troll you in Chinese, I'm not a perfect troll. So, unless you have something to say that is decent, please don't comment on a conversation?

This DarkAvengerZR1/GhostZ/Gonales war of words never ceases to make me laugh at how one tries to undermine the other

I don't try to undermine them, I just stated perfection is impossible. I can't help it they have hurt feelings because I claim they aren't perfect. :/

Plus, I stated something I believe... I guess Dark doesn't really care what I say, she just goes against it.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Yes, limits and flawlessness aren't the same, but they both have something to do with perfection. Never claimed they were the same you know...

So, unlimited is perfect? Since when? If both have something to do with perfection, by your own clains, something flawless and unlimited is perfection.

I am sorry, but i fail to see sense in this statement. Limits has nothing to do with perfection.

Yeah, because that person can't have the knowledge that is needed. Or do you think ONE person was responsible for all the programming? Plus there are more things he/she needs to know.

I don't think anything! You said that if the person had a complete knowledge of GT5 programing it would be possible. Well, if they all agree on something and make it, would it be the perfect car? If i remember correctly, you said perfection is impossible. :Lol:

You do need to adapt your car. If you don't, how will the car be perfect for every single situation? It can't...

What is every single situation? Besides, the fact of the car not being perfect in every situation is because many facts, aerodynamics and etc, for example, a Hachiroku cuts the wind way less efficiently than a Corvette, and that tuning can't help.

Not to mention, the fact that tune a car for something, to make it good on something you must let go other characteristcs, but, once it acheives the goals you had to that car, knowing it's limits, yes, it is perfect. Perfect for it's driver.

No, because it can always be better. The fact that you're content with a car, doesn't mean it's perfect. Thats like saying, (like Ghost does), that you're a perfect tuner, and frankly, I don't believe that.

What? Just because you adapt your car to your goals makes you a "perfect tuner"? That is why you care so much about this subject? Hahaha. You believe in anything you want... nobody is trying to tell you otherwise.

I don't try to undermine them, I just stated perfection is impossible. I can't help it they have hurt feelings because I claim they aren't perfect. :/

I think me and Ghost are extremelly hurt by your comments. Excuse me while i go to my bed cry a little.

Plus, I stated something I believe... I guess Dark doesn't really care what I say, she just goes against it.

No, this statement is wrong, if you actually make a comment with sense, i will agree.

It is just the fact that you always try to impose your beliefs though everyones throat, like if it is the truth, a fact, nobody can deny. You even argue about it. If, that is not what you meant, or tried to say and people misunderstood you, tell them that, explain it, simple, easy and a lot less trouble.

P.S. Explain is not the same as argue.

 

[Gonales]

So, unlimited is perfect? Since when? If both have something to do with perfection, by your own claims, something flawless and unlimited is perfection.

No, something flawless, which has reached it's limit. But... (something I've been trying to tell you...) perfection doesn't have limits. Something can ALWAYS be improved.

I am sorry, but i fail to see sense in this statement. Limits has nothing to do with perfection.

It's got everything to do with it.

I don't think anything! You said that if the person had a complete knowledge of GT5 programing it would be possible. Well, if they all agree on something and make it, would it be the perfect car? If i remember correctly, you said perfection is impossible. :Lol:

Obviously you don't think. That's become quite clear over time. Yes, because all these people together, would need to come to an agreement on how to tune the car. With extremely high-end math, they still won't be able to make the perfect car.

What is every single situation? Besides, the fact of the car not being perfect in every situation is because many facts, aerodynamics and etc, for example, a Hachiroku cuts the wind way less efficiently than a Corvette, and that tuning can't help.

Yes, but we aren't talking about the cars themselves, we are talking about the tuning.

Not to mention, the fact that tune a car for something, to make it good on something you must let go other characteristics, but, once it achieves the goals you had to that car, knowing it's limits, yes, it is perfect. Perfect for it's driver.

Nope. Because you can get a different opponent, or it starts to rain, and the car's perfection is gone. Besides that who says that what you want a car to do is perfect? It's just how you like the car, nothing more.

What? Just because you adapt your car to your goals makes you a "perfect tuner"? That is why you care so much about this subject? Hahaha. You believe in anything you want... nobody is trying to tell you otherwise.

No, Ghost claimed to be a perfect tuner, because he can give a car perfect tunes. Which I disagreed with.

I think me and Ghost are extremely hurt by your comments. Excuse me while i go to my bed cry a little.

Don't cry, think about things for a bit, might help you more than crying.

No, this statement is wrong, if you actually make a comment with sense, i will agree.

Doubt it.

It is just the fact that you always try to impose your beliefs though everyones throat, like if it is the truth, a fact, nobody can deny. You even argue about it. If, that is not what you meant, or tried to say and people misunderstood you, tell them that, explain it, simple, easy and a lot less trouble.

I tried to impose beliefs? I just stated I didn't think perfection was possible, and that Ghost was far from it. You guys need to react to a statement liek that, is not my fault.

P.S. Explain is not the same as argue.

I'm sorry, but you're trying to 'explain' something that is wrong. So yes, that will start an argument/discussion. Whatever you want to call it.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

 

[Gonales]

If you don't believe me, fine. Do you think you're smarter than one of the most intelligent people alive?

“It is all right to make mistakes; nothing is perfect because with perfection, we would not exist.”

“One of the basic rules of the universe is that nothing is perfect. Perfection simply doesn't exist.....Without imperfection, neither you nor I would exist”

Both quotes are from Stephen Hawking.

(And yes, I do know why he says what he says. I also agree with what he says.)