Suspicious lap times
- Thread starter NEPALII
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- TenhulzenAuto
its because people are using the handbrake, huge flaw in the game if you ask me
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- GTP_Fueled
Sounds like me in College. I bought a copy of GT4 and it was used quite extensively in one of the neighboring dorm common rooms. Whenever drivers got stuck, they would grab me and let me take a crack at it. Pretty much the same "robotic" behavior there and would knock off 10-20 seconds off their best easily on 4:30ish tracks within a few laps. I had a great ability to focus and a feel for the game. Roommates thought I was on crack.
That was with a DS2 and Automatic Transmission and without driving aids considered. After reading the Nationals Rules of using DFGT wheels, I picked one of those up, but struggling to be as aggressive and "robotic" as I used to be with a DS. I don't really tune cars or know enough about the aids to know exactly what degree will impact my driving style and times. For this competition, I want to make the cuts. But I know I have tons of room to learn with the wheel, settings, lines, and techniques so I'll just keep plugging away.
No, I don't think there's cheating. There's a lot of finer points in the game that can have drastic effects on times so while you think you're great, some other dude has a different combination of variables (and this is where Gran Turismo shines) set in their head that they think is "perfect" and is grabbing 10-20 seconds off your time.
- 2,039
- San Diego, Ca.
- LaughsUS
The 370Z tuned challenge has the best of 2.47.841. I went to to give it a try and after many many laps im still 4 seconds slower. Now, even though im 4 seconds slower Im ranked 20th in my region and 74th in the whole USA. This is not possible. How can I be four seconds slower and still manage top 75 in the whole country??? the first guys are cheating, it is absolutely impossible to achieve those times, only with helps and they are "not" using them.
The GT academy isnt the best way to find good drivers since there is always people who manage to get impossible times! It just ruins the fun for everyone!
Oh wow, instead of thinking people cheat. Try competing in WRS and seeing how fast other people are. It might be you, who is just slower then the pack.
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- realfrankdux
On the Rome challenge I had a top 10 which probably dropped, and Cape I was top 20 which I'm sure has also dropped. The only times I see as suspicious are the top ones on Tskuba which I've heard are because of handbrake use. Face it that some people will always be faster. FixByWire- you guided me through Cape to knock 10 seconds off my time, and I thank you for that ghost haha.
Let me clarify myself. I dont want to be accusing anybody of cheating. What I noticed on the ghost laps was that, Im using a wheel(G25) by the way, was that their cars were much more responsive when turning. What I think the problem is, is that my wheel is messed up, it isnt much responsive. I have to turn more than what the car actually turns in the game. In the game it turns less and responds slower. Maybe this is the problem, if not, I dont understand how can these people be this quick.
- 56
- GTP_Fueled
Handbrake?
I'll try to see if there's a real noticeable difference in using DS3 vs. GTF wheel tonight. I'm using a wheel currently and not "much" handbraking. I never used it until last night. I mean, you're screwed if you get the nationals and never used a wheel. Would make it unfair to both sides of the argument to mandate wheels though (cost vs. opportunity)
yeah...handbraking....be nice if PD would just disable it in the cars for the competition?
Handbraking? then that makes GT5 unrealistic. You cant just handbrake into every single turn and the car not even slide out or lose control. Also, when they are exiting the turns, they are able to exit them at full speed without their cars losing any type of control. PD has to fix this problem. Its unfair.
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- SLAPHAPPYFRANKY
- BLKJ SlapHappy
You dont need to use the handbrake to be in the top 10.
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- New York
- GTP-DEADPOOL
Here's a quick way to see if the top guys are "handbraking". Save their replay and watch it in cockpit mode to see if the handbrake light comes on.
From what I noticed with fixbywire, he isn't using a handbrake....... he is trailbraking into the turns. He let's up gradually as he is turning in which helps the car to rotate and sets him up for the exit of the corner.
I kinda wish these time trials used 3 laps back to back vs one hot lap. It would show who can consistently hit these times.
From what I noticed with fixbywire, he isn't using a handbrake....... he is trailbraking into the turns. He let's up gradually as he is turning in which helps the car to rotate and sets him up for the exit of the corner.
I kinda wish these time trials used 3 laps back to back vs one hot lap. It would show who can consistently hit these times.
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- TDRdirtyjersey
- MMA Stubby
I agree slaphappy. Theres a big debate about using the handbrake on the GT academy facebook page. Got a 1.05.7 without it and would never think that using it would make me faster. Whats the actuall trick to using it.
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- Hammerhead Garage
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- Noodlerizer
I think using the handbrake is all fine, use it, whatever. What I think is complete ******** is seeing the ghost in front of me fly off course on cape ring to gain time. That is completely stupid.
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- Deuce350z
- Duece350z
Agreed - check my post on the forums about top scoreboard drivers going off the track, i've fired off emails to the PR department of Sony and Nissan Motorsports to see what their reaction is to this.
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- dLo_GSR
has anyone posted a youtube of this replay? i'm curious to see what they are doing exactly.
EDIT: NOT because I want to do it myself, i'm just curious =P
- 714
- New York
- GTP-DEADPOOL
Interesting, for some reason I didn't think you were using the handbrake but trail braking instead.
While the handbrake is there to use...... I honestly think PD should remove it's function for the tournament. Because as soon as you get to the GTAcademy school with real cars, you won't be able to use it like you are now. I find it to be an unrealistic advantage.
I also agree that the ability to run off track in that one sector of Cape Ring should be dealt with, it defeats the purpose of this tournament.
And I doubt many will agree with this next idea. I wish PD would force everyone to use cockpit view for the tournament, it's the most realistic. I usually use it, but I've switched to bumper cam for the contest simply because it has a advantage that I can't ignore.
#18 in the North East region.
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- Philippines
The handbrake is an actual, usable device on a real-world car, and is a valid way in which to adjust the attitude of your car in a corner. Professional drivers use it when they need to.
That it actually works is not an issue. And it's still slower than actual trail-braking. So what's the problem there?
That it actually works is not an issue. And it's still slower than actual trail-braking. So what's the problem there?
OK according to most of you the improved steering has to do with the exagerated use of handbrake which the game has to fix. A real driver doesnt use handbrakes for nearly every turn specially on a track as long as Cape Ring. Second, not only handbrake makes you turn better but also exit a corner without tires slipping and at faster speed. I stand my point, it is ridiculous and unfortunately nothing will be done about it. They even are cutting on the track and no penalty, for god's sake! I love GT5 but GT Academy is a joke but im still glad they are doing so people have an opportunity to become a race driver.
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- blindsidefive0
e-braking isn't cheating...
However, it's a bad habit. So is drifting more than a modest slip angle of a few degrees. You might be able to slide your way to a fast lap, but in real life you are going to ruin your tires.
If anything PD should have had tire wear in the TT's, so if you are sliding all around the track you have to constantly stop your flow and get new rubber.
However, it's a bad habit. So is drifting more than a modest slip angle of a few degrees. You might be able to slide your way to a fast lap, but in real life you are going to ruin your tires.
If anything PD should have had tire wear in the TT's, so if you are sliding all around the track you have to constantly stop your flow and get new rubber.
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- Finland
- Sohvakettu
Still going on about the handbrakes even if it's been repeated that the top times are done without it? And using handbrake in tight turns is quite common in rallying (even on tarmac).
