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http://sr20.hybrids.jp/andy_c/S13_Sil80/index.htm
Lots of JDM pictures!
too bad sileighty's are not in GT3. they would pWn!
Lots of JDM pictures!
too bad sileighty's are not in GT3. they would pWn!
Sweet Sileighty's
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Man, someone else that shares the opinion that GT3 should've had the Sileighty. They're awesome. We have a guy in our town that did the front end conversion on his 240SX/180SX to the S13 front end. And he had the SR20 swap, so it's all good (NO MORE KA24DE FOR AMERICANS PLEASE, NISSAN!). Telling ya, Americans get stiffed when it comes to car tuning.
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Theres nothing wrong with the KA. Both KA and SR (and the less talked about but equally competitve CA) are good competitors. I have seen some crazy KAs out here (400+ HP), but also have seen some crazy SRs and CAs, so don't go badmouthing the KA. No replacement for displacement.
About the sil-80 it was never in production thru nissan, possibly thru some other company, but not officially by nissan. Only reasons why they are there is cuz of drifting collisions and s13 front was an easy fix.
SR's and CA's are WAAY better than KA24's..I dont' care if it is 400+ HP..SR20's are just flat out badazz...but..Did you notice how there arn't any sileighty's on that page he gave us?..And second....Conversions are like a dime a dozen now adays.......And I gotta dissagree with the "only reason they're here is for collisions"....9-10 people will say that a silvia front end looks better than that of a 180sx....And second..If you're gonna buy a front clip..why not use the whole clip?..Remember..the japanese arn't wasteful
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when I say it was due to collisions I meant a while back in japan. This is why they became popular, because people crashed thier cars while drifting and instead of putting the stock front on they put the silvia front on. Then it caught on as a fad and people started doing it for looks. Over here people do it for fun to, but some people also do it after crashing thier cars. Plus for some people who get SR front clips they come with silvia front ends so people just throw em on.
IMO sil80s are not so great looking. The lines don't match like they do on the real silvias. but according to some it is a little better with rigidness in the front. I like how my 240 looks right now (well not so much, but it's a long story), and prefer my front bumper to the Silvia front.
About the engine debate, you have a ****ty reasoning. It seems only reason you like them better is cuz thier JDM and you believe that the grass is greener over there. Well it really isn't. The grass is always greener on the other side. People in japan try to make thier cars like our 240s. Rebadging them, using the 240sx center panel. Or making thier s13 silvias (the coupes) to what ours look like (flip up headlights).
The main reason why people swap is becuz of it bieng JDM and JDM bieng the fad nowadays, also becuz finding a low mileage KA to turbo is hard. There are so many SRs out there and most are low mileage, at least thats what the sellers say.
On a side note here is one sil80 that I love, but it might be cuz I love everything else about his car (suspension setup, wheels, spoiler, zenki front lip, and the non projector headlights)
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All you did was repeat the first half..And I said the second....
Lol, you've got to be kidding me..You honestly think the KA24 is as good if not better than the SR20DET..That's a riot man...I personally don't give a ratz Azz what country the engine came from japan...taiwan..mongolia whatever..The Engine itself is better...Think about it
The KA24 is a TRUCK engine...and I KNOW mitsubishi had no performance plans for that "Monster of a truck" there. In Tuning your best bet is to always start with the better base That is why people switch engines in an out of cars..Now why would you want to start with a 155HP N/A with a unbalanced crank
or a 220-250HP Turbocharged engine
with a fully balanced crank that can handle 500HP
and has Rods that will last you aaaa loong time
Yeah the Ka24 does have the displacement over the Sr20DET...However the KA24 has a what 6____ rpm redline?...The Sr20 has 8000...The KA24 can't be stroked anymore cause it's already gutted to the limit..The Sr20DET however can become the infamouse SR22DET which you KNOW is a badazz motor...
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I never said the KA is better, it's just that everywhere you go you have someone putting down. Every magazine that ever does an article on a 240 it has an SR in it, and somewhere in there they say "John Doe took out his crappy truck motor KA and swapped in an SR". KAs seem bad to people becuase it is not out of the factory turbo, or it doesn't have a shiny red, or a cool looking black top, or because it has been in a truck.
I personally like the CA best, but to me its all a personal choice. All three motors are personal choice and have thier ups and downs.
First off the KA24E is the truck engine (89-90 240SX). The DOHC KA was never used in a truck. Also the truck and the 240 version had different cams and a different manifold. Aslo the KA first appeared in a Stanza, before it appeared in a truck.
There is nothing wrong with having a truck motor either, truck motors usually have a lot of torque and so does the KA. Sure its nnot like the SRs 200, but niether is the HP. If you still hate truck motors go and tell that to someone with a lightning.
For the HP wars, put a turbo in the KA and you get roughly a little more HP than a stock redtop SR, and about the same as a S14 SR, but more tq.
SR does not have an 8K RPM redline, try 7500 the CA i do believe has a 8000 RPM redline. About the SR22 not too many people want to pay for JUN or Tomei for thier kits or motorsets. .
If you live in Japan that would work, but over here there are more KAs running the low 12 area. Most around here who get SRs do it for the JDM factor, and usually stay under 300HP. There is no outstandingly faster engine in the US like you would implie by your reaction.
Wow, so you're telling me with just a bolt on turbo you can go from 155HP to 220-250HP...With more TQ...Man that's some nice PSI you're runnin there, and especially on such a small turbo as to get that much more TQ From it aswell, unless of course the TQ doesn't get any good untill about 6000....
...The Sr20DET redlines at a booked 75-7800 depending on the model and the CA18DET redlines at 7500. And as far as the SR22 Stroker kit..I know 3 people who have done it..it's not as rediculous a price as every sudgests..I know about 30 people with 240's some of which are/were DOHC KA24's...ALL of which wish they had SR20DET's simply because it's a better platform to work off of..Oh and by the way The SOHC model 240's were from 89 to 97..Not 89-90....Just in case you didn't know that..But anyway, you shouldn't blame an engine because tuners in your area don't know what they're doin, cause tuners swap for the SR20DET for performance...Not the "JDM Factor" if they do switch it for that, then they're morons
...The Sr20DET redlines at a booked 75-7800 depending on the model and the CA18DET redlines at 7500. And as far as the SR22 Stroker kit..I know 3 people who have done it..it's not as rediculous a price as every sudgests..I know about 30 people with 240's some of which are/were DOHC KA24's...ALL of which wish they had SR20DET's simply because it's a better platform to work off of..Oh and by the way The SOHC model 240's were from 89 to 97..Not 89-90....Just in case you didn't know that..But anyway, you shouldn't blame an engine because tuners in your area don't know what they're doin, cause tuners swap for the SR20DET for performance...Not the "JDM Factor" if they do switch it for that, then they're morons
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An S14 SR gets prolly gets 200 to the wheels on a good day, I never said that a KA would get 220-250. There is such a thing as drivetrain lost, and most people don't dyno at the crank like the mftr does, they dyno to the wheels.
Oh man where in the hell did you get SOHC model 240sx went to 97. If you know 30 people with 240s I would expect you to at least know that SOHCs only came in the 89-90 model. I own an 89 240, and know a lot of people with 91-97 240s and according to you all of them swapped in a 98 DOHC engine into thier cars. 91-98 all had the same engine, except the 91 had "wild" cams.
You should read what you said it would not make sense for nissan to throw in a DOHC KA for 1 year that was only used on one car (in the RWD format) then discontinue it.
As for stroker kits, For SR JUN kits go for about $4K-$8K. Which is the cost of 2-4 redtomotorsets. Or the Tomei stroker kit is about $5K. Now either your friends have a lot of money to blow in which they are willing to pay over double the amount of thier engine for a gain in potential, or your friends go for the bling factor.
The examples I was using are not from my area. My area has its SR and KA more SR than KA. Reasons being no good KAs to turbo.
Also you still don't get the point that I love the SR, you make it seem as if I hate it, and that it sucks. I am just defending the equally competitive KA.
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Originally posted by Shinez
But that's amazing how a 155HP engine can go to more than 220HP with just a turbo...man..crazy..
Oh btw, someone on thier so called "truck motor" aka KA24E went from 140 HP (Stock HP) to 190HP 192 lb/ft tq at 6 psi w/o an IC. This is using a Z31 turbo
At 11psi they got 247.3 HP 260 lb/ft tq.
So it is possible.
Dyno's arn't supposed to be used to measure what power you have..it's should be used to measure gains/losses and to tune your car.
I'm just wondering...If you're right about there being NO 97 SOHC 240's how can my friends brothers car be a SOHC KA24...And why would Unorthodox sell pulley's and gears for SOHC 91-97 240's?
Did I ever say Nissan discontinue'd the DOHC motor?..No I didn't...But it's a fact that the SOHC didn't get discontinued untill 97...Slap yourself.
Stock injectors? Stock fuel pump? Stock pressure?
If not then it wasn't just a Turbo was it?
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i'd say kid is the winner of this argument..lol i read up on all of this a while back..i just put my prelude up for sale and am looking for a Z31/S13 to work on. ive got video proof of a KA powered 240 pulling a high 11 quarter mile...as well as waxing an NSX on the street 
both engines are works of art...it isn't like nissan spent less time developing one over the other. personally i'm going to keep my KA that comes in the 240(if thats what i get) and bolt on a turbo/upgrade fuel delivery and ecu. a cheaper and less time consuming route if i say so.
both engines are works of art...it isn't like nissan spent less time developing one over the other. personally i'm going to keep my KA that comes in the 240(if thats what i get) and bolt on a turbo/upgrade fuel delivery and ecu. a cheaper and less time consuming route if i say so.- 81
Well it gives you a damn good estimate of how much HP you have at the wheels. In fact its the best estimate of your HP. And For 98% of cars thier HP to the wheels is less than thier advertised HP. The only exceptions I can think of are cars like Supras and Skylines (and few other 280HP Japanese cars), and the new neon.
Obviously you, your friend, and his brother have no clue about 240s if you don't know that 97 S14s came with DOHC motors. Take a pic of your friend's brothers motor and compare to a pic of my motor (which is of an 89 240sx). Mine is a 12 valve SOHC motor, your friends' brother's is a 16 valve DOHC. Think I am photoshopping the pic. Go here . These are scans of the brochures for each and every single year the 240sx was made. If you clearly look at the top it will tell you the year of the car and the motor that it contained. Now please again tell me that there is a 97 240SX with an SOHC motor. If you still don't believe me. Go back to your friend's brothers car and look at VIN plate in the engine bay (on my car its on the passenger side), his should say KA24DE or KA24D (E), mine says KA24 (E). The D stands for DOHC, no D means its SOHC. Not enough evidence, go to Nissan USA and ask them, now slap yourself, your friend, and his brother.
You could be right about the SOHC not being discontinued, but it was probably kept in a truck at that point. I know the Altimas got the DOHC.
Of course all that wasn't stock. But for all the SRs I compare it to, they weren't stock either. Almost all SR owners get bigger injectors, Z32 Fuel Pump (or Walbro), exhaust among other mods and get about the same HP at 7psi. So that example is still feasable.
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wow only 800, you must have mad hookups or read SCC and think that you can get thier prices. Cuz SRs will probably cost you around 1300-2000 for a motorset, and motorsets never come with everything you need, and occasionally come with no harnesses, or are missing intercooler, or dented oil pans. Front clips which come with most necessary parts go for around 1700-2500. And this is for S13 redtops.
Then you have to pay for shipping, then installation, (pray to god you know how to do it yourself, cuz you'll get raped by a shop), and then there are the little things that add up becase they are broken or worn out.
Keep in mind you will never know the condition of the engine you buy. it could be very high mileage, but it also could be built already. Thats a risk you have to take.
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