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Is he mad at Casuals or Hardcore guys?
Because this game is waaaaaaaay too slanted to the casuals these days.
Because this game is waaaaaaaay too slanted to the casuals these days.
"Taking the FUN out of Gran Turismo and shoving it----
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OP please give me 20 examples of mindless hatred posted within last week in GT6 section of GTPlanet.
Since the forum is literately flooded with those post, it should be easy for you to find 20 or more. (much more)
I just don't see what you see but maybe, indeed there's too much of it and so I want to see this affair from your point of view.
Since the forum is literately flooded with those post, it should be easy for you to find 20 or more. (much more)
I just don't see what you see but maybe, indeed there's too much of it and so I want to see this affair from your point of view.
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- Victory_Reign93
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I would say Photon was partly sarcastic but primarily its a dig at the ones who do nothing but criticise the game, the developers and so on in a unconstructive way.
Basically people who DO take the fun away from people who actually love playing the game.
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Though I completely see where @photonrider is coming from, I have to say all the anti-GT6 negativity doesn't affect my enjoyment of GT, just of GTPlanet.
Why say your piece in one or two concise paragraphs, when you can ramble repetitively through twenty-two?
Oops, forgive me for mistakenly assuming this was written for the audience rather than the author; it reads as his literary version of Narcissus's reflecting pool.
There are legitimate gripes against PD, and false advertising is at the top of my list. No wall of text from a fanboi will assuage that.
Oops, forgive me for mistakenly assuming this was written for the audience rather than the author; it reads as his literary version of Narcissus's reflecting pool.
There are legitimate gripes against PD, and false advertising is at the top of my list. No wall of text from a fanboi will assuage that.
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- Skython11
"FUN!? What is fun!? This is a simulator, sir. If you want fun, go play Need for Speed, you noob."
Hardcore GT users.
I say users because the word "players" would imply they are playing, and playing is meant to be fun. These so called hardcore users don't seem to have much of it. Oh no! The difference between these two cars aren't exactly correct to their real life counterparts that I have never driven! I must register a complaint! What!? There's a detail this Silvia that isn't 100% accurate! I can't take this! I must keep using it and complain until they fix it!
I think they're the same sort of people who will shout at you with rigour because you jokingly said VTEC kicked in when driving something that doesn't have a VTEC (the nerve! What they said is factually incorrect, how could they do that!?). Or correct your grammar because it wasn't 100% perfect, or complain because a casual simulator allows you to drive a moon car on the moon (Madness!!). Or gasp! You don't know the difference between 4WD and AWD (What an idiot! They should go play Need for Speed! They're on a lower intellectual plane than us!)!
Oh yeah, forgot to say. Gran Turismo 6 is a fun game. In the case that by some off-chance you never realized which side I'm on here.
Hardcore GT users.
I say users because the word "players" would imply they are playing, and playing is meant to be fun. These so called hardcore users don't seem to have much of it. Oh no! The difference between these two cars aren't exactly correct to their real life counterparts that I have never driven! I must register a complaint! What!? There's a detail this Silvia that isn't 100% accurate! I can't take this! I must keep using it and complain until they fix it!
I think they're the same sort of people who will shout at you with rigour because you jokingly said VTEC kicked in when driving something that doesn't have a VTEC (the nerve! What they said is factually incorrect, how could they do that!?). Or correct your grammar because it wasn't 100% perfect, or complain because a casual simulator allows you to drive a moon car on the moon (Madness!!). Or gasp! You don't know the difference between 4WD and AWD (What an idiot! They should go play Need for Speed! They're on a lower intellectual plane than us!)!
Oh yeah, forgot to say. Gran Turismo 6 is a fun game. In the case that by some off-chance you never realized which side I'm on here.
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Seeing purple text from someone that isn't @Famine is rather strange for me I must say----where the Sun don't shine."
This appears to be the philosophy backing a small group of hard-core 'players' that hang around this fan site.
This game is not to be 'played'.
Once does not simply 'play' it, one roves all around the Forum (except the Feedback Forum) and scream and scream and scream oodles of constructive criticism that will eventually make the game what they want it to be and they will of course be responsible for having single-handedly been responsible for helping to create the greatest, 100% satisfying 'game' in the world.
Don't talk about rabbits. Rabbits? Who even used such a childish word! That's too much fun. How dare we.
We are supposed to be groaning about sounds that don't make our tweeters blush, and the intricacies of time-suspended camber, and the dastardly uncontrollable physics, and jaggies, and lack of every car in the world, and the waste of space on the Hadley Rille, and everything else that is preventing us from being the next Jack Brabham with a girl on either arm and a bottle of bubbly.
Playing with the AI? How childish! Whoever heard of such a thing, playing this game instead of hanging around here at GTPlanet bitching about this 🤬 that robbed us of $60.00, and gave us nothing for it. Hear that, PD? We hate you. Don't talk to us!
Well . . . here's a surprise, Mr. Misery:
There are people loving this game. And who actually enjoy playing it. Millions of them. All over the world. And who enjoy sharing that fun with fellow players - because happiness shared is happiness multiplied.
And joining each other at a fan site reputed to attract aficionados of the game for that purpose only takes that fun to a higher level.
These players enjoy just looking at the cars, talking about them, toying with them, tinkering with them, painting them, photographing them, reviewing them, driving them, banging them up, flying them over jumps, drifting, dough-nutting, and rolling them over, racing them, racing each other, racing the rabbits (sorry, AI, AI. Bobs.) and having a good laugh about it on the way - since after all it is not going to last forever and we better make the best of it - it's a video game, and video games have a short life. Joining the misery-driven line-up that keeps screaming about lack of content is a waste of time; the Feedback forum was built for that (the only place that any dev would probably look for feedback, anyway) and is there, any time we feel the need to make suggestions. Or send PD a compliment.
But, nah, nope, uhuh - on no account should the fun crowd interfere with the misery-gang, groaning, and running about beating breasts and wailing in sackcloth and ashes.
Apparently that is what GTPlanet is only for.
No.
GTPlanet is an abstraction. It's not built out of particles, it's built out of microwaves.
It's a collection of people expressing their existence via cyberspace. Pull the plug and it goes 'poof'.
It's a fan site built for predominantly enjoying and sharing the experiences of playing video-games. It's a place to predominantly have fun. Work comes later.
The admin and staff that run the site know how to have fun - in fact some of the funniest people you could meet are members of the staff, whose humour can run from the ribald to the cerebral and whose hard work keeps the ineffable entity that is GTPlanet in the atmosphere and stable enough for the rest of us to have fun, too.
But, no, say the naysayers. Fun? Playing a video-game? No, no, no, no, no, say these misery-loving naysayers (Gran Turismo 'players') - fun is not the point, it's high-falutin' constructive criticism from experts that matters. The game is broken. No one should play it. Get your money back. Boycott PD. Insult Kaz. Put down the devs. Jaggies. Everything is wrong with the game. Permanently. We shouldn't be enjoying it - how stupid.
What were we thinking, joking about the AI or making memes about them, or photographing 'scenery', or hunting easter eggs, or joking about Jenkins.
How distasteful, childish, and not misery-loving superior adult-like at all. Get cracking and get down on it, take everything off and kill the stupid AI.
Enjoying a 'car' video-game and sharing the spoils? Bah. Is there nothing more important for us to do? We should be be doing something far more constructive - improving the game by walking around with vituperative sandwich-boards strapped on our backs.
If we're caught in a huddle discussing rabbits again (especially their sneaky behaviour), we'll be sent off to the guillotine of opinion and well and truly sliced, diced, cubed and quadrangled. And it will be well and truly approved by that small band of 'players' that have insidiously constructed and run the Court of Misery here at GTPlanet for way too long now.
All in the name of 'constructive criticism' - a verbal game that seems to have a passport to enter every thread with its rebarbativeness.
So there! they say. Fair warning for those of us fans of the game that simply want to have fun with it and who don't give a damn about the girls on either arm and the bottle of bubbly.
We should be sweating it out, clipping thousandths off our times and showing that we take the jaggies in this game very, very seriously. And using esoteric, professional-sounding, ego-boosting terms about cars and the 'on-hands' development of this particular video-game. The Chaparral 2X has no sound at all! What were the devs thinking? The AI are starting to behave like real online players going off-track and banging into walls and getting pushed into the sand! What?!
Why aren't they all racing like Vettel or Jimmie Johnson? Not good PD! Get you act together! Make more misery!
And, please . . . don't call the AI rabbits. Or sprites, either. They are 'stupid AI'. That's what they are. Bobs? Pah! Whoever heard such a term in a 'video-game' built for the twelve players that need to pack their bags and go sweat in a roll-cage. This is serious stuff. Simulator.
And if you can't actually prove your prowess at the top of the log (because you're only a wannabe and nowhere as professional as those who are too busy to criticise but are actually devoted to the Academy and working hard to get a foot in the door of RL racing via Gran Turismo) hey, then roam the Forums carrying micrometers and talking tap and dies.
This makes them 'expert'.
They were prevented from being a RL racer by this stupid game with its awful sounds and stupid jaggies. Even after the game provided a most unique opportunity to break into the world of RL racing.
And, in fact, because of this, many of the former players who used to have fun with the game have given up and left the site; they are having fun elsewhere. Or have decided to only inhabit the more fun parts of this site like the Off Topic forums that have nothing to do with Gran Turismo, and only provide friendship, amusement, and some pleasant online company.
Shame.
Well, sorry, misery-lovers. We Gran Turismo fans will most certainly continue to have fun, oodles and oodles of it - not the kind that Mr. Misery and his twelve disciples will have around here pissing in every thread that even remotely promotes fun - but the kind of fun we can take anywhere there are fans ready to gather around and have fun with it.
And we will continue to do it here till the admin comes along and says "No fun allowed! Criticise! Constructively! Everywhere! Every thread! Seriously! What do you think this site is for? This is a grave-site not a fan site!"
Which TBH honest, I don't think will ever happen. This fan site is - last I looked - predominantly, a place to share news, info, fun, and enjoyment about our favorite video-game.
Not misery.
If we have any brickbats, or even bouquets for that matter, we can take it to the Feedback Forum. Or else shove it where the sun don't shine, and get on with the game.
Have fun!
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This is something that @TokoTurismo and @Imari need to read. Too often I've felt victimized by them just for having a different opinion on a topic. I'd jump into a thread thinking, "oh, let me just provide my opinion on this real quick," not even expecting or wanting to get caught up in any sort of discussion, and then one of them (usually Imari) would attack my opinion and I'd wind up having to defend it when I shouldn't. @jimipitbull seems to be a favorite target of theirs as well, and he gets a lot of undeserved **** from them and others. Quite frankly I'm not sure how he hasn't quit the forum entirely. That's what I call true Aussie grit.----where the Sun don't shine."
This appears to be the philosophy backing a small group of hard-core 'players' that hang around this fan site.
This game is not to be 'played'.
Once does not simply 'play' it, one roves all around the Forum (except the Feedback Forum) and scream and scream and scream oodles of constructive criticism that will eventually make the game what they want it to be and they will of course be responsible for having single-handedly been responsible for helping to create the greatest, 100% satisfying 'game' in the world.
Don't talk about rabbits. Rabbits? Who even used such a childish word! That's too much fun. How dare we.
We are supposed to be groaning about sounds that don't make our tweeters blush, and the intricacies of time-suspended camber, and the dastardly uncontrollable physics, and jaggies, and lack of every car in the world, and the waste of space on the Hadley Rille, and everything else that is preventing us from being the next Jack Brabham with a girl on either arm and a bottle of bubbly.
Playing with the AI? How childish! Whoever heard of such a thing, playing this game instead of hanging around here at GTPlanet bitching about this 🤬 that robbed us of $60.00, and gave us nothing for it. Hear that, PD? We hate you. Don't talk to us!
Well . . . here's a surprise, Mr. Misery:
There are people loving this game. And who actually enjoy playing it. Millions of them. All over the world. And who enjoy sharing that fun with fellow players - because happiness shared is happiness multiplied.
And joining each other at a fan site reputed to attract aficionados of the game for that purpose only takes that fun to a higher level.
These players enjoy just looking at the cars, talking about them, toying with them, tinkering with them, painting them, photographing them, reviewing them, driving them, banging them up, flying them over jumps, drifting, dough-nutting, and rolling them over, racing them, racing each other, racing the rabbits (sorry, AI, AI. Bobs.) and having a good laugh about it on the way - since after all it is not going to last forever and we better make the best of it - it's a video game, and video games have a short life. Joining the misery-driven line-up that keeps screaming about lack of content is a waste of time; the Feedback forum was built for that (the only place that any dev would probably look for feedback, anyway) and is there, any time we feel the need to make suggestions. Or send PD a compliment.
But, nah, nope, uhuh - on no account should the fun crowd interfere with the misery-gang, groaning, and running about beating breasts and wailing in sackcloth and ashes.
Apparently that is what GTPlanet is only for.
No.
GTPlanet is an abstraction. It's not built out of particles, it's built out of microwaves.
It's a collection of people expressing their existence via cyberspace. Pull the plug and it goes 'poof'.
It's a fan site built for predominantly enjoying and sharing the experiences of playing video-games. It's a place to predominantly have fun. Work comes later.
The admin and staff that run the site know how to have fun - in fact some of the funniest people you could meet are members of the staff, whose humour can run from the ribald to the cerebral and whose hard work keeps the ineffable entity that is GTPlanet in the atmosphere and stable enough for the rest of us to have fun, too.
But, no, say the naysayers. Fun? Playing a video-game? No, no, no, no, no, say these misery-loving naysayers (Gran Turismo 'players') - fun is not the point, it's high-falutin' constructive criticism from experts that matters. The game is broken. No one should play it. Get your money back. Boycott PD. Insult Kaz. Put down the devs. Jaggies. Everything is wrong with the game. Permanently. We shouldn't be enjoying it - how stupid.
What were we thinking, joking about the AI or making memes about them, or photographing 'scenery', or hunting easter eggs, or joking about Jenkins.
How distasteful, childish, and not misery-loving superior adult-like at all. Get cracking and get down on it, take everything off and kill the stupid AI.
Enjoying a 'car' video-game and sharing the spoils? Bah. Is there nothing more important for us to do? We should be be doing something far more constructive - improving the game by walking around with vituperative sandwich-boards strapped on our backs.
If we're caught in a huddle discussing rabbits again (especially their sneaky behaviour
All in the name of 'constructive criticism' - a verbal game that seems to have a passport to enter every thread with its rebarbativeness.
So there! they say. Fair warning for those of us fans of the game that simply want to have fun with it and who don't give a damn about the girls on either arm and the bottle of bubbly.
We should be sweating it out, clipping thousandths off our times and showing that we take the jaggies in this game very, very seriously. And using esoteric, professional-sounding, ego-boosting terms about cars and the 'on-hands' development of this particular video-game. The Chaparral 2X has no sound at all! What were the devs thinking? The AI are starting to behave like real online players going off-track and banging into walls and getting pushed into the sand! What?!
Why aren't they all racing like Vettel or Jimmie Johnson? Not good PD! Get you act together! Make more misery!
And, please . . . don't call the AI rabbits. Or sprites, either. They are 'stupid AI'. That's what they are. Bobs? Pah! Whoever heard such a term in a 'video-game' built for the twelve players that need to pack their bags and go sweat in a roll-cage. This is serious stuff. Simulator.
And if you can't actually prove your prowess at the top of the log (because you're only a wannabe and nowhere as professional as those who are too busy to criticise but are actually devoted to the Academy and working hard to get a foot in the door of RL racing via Gran Turismo) hey, then roam the Forums carrying micrometers and talking tap and dies.
This makes them 'expert'.
They were prevented from being a RL racer by this stupid game with its awful sounds and stupid jaggies. Even after the game provided a most unique opportunity to break into the world of RL racing.
And, in fact, because of this, many of the former players who used to have fun with the game have given up and left the site; they are having fun elsewhere. Or have decided to only inhabit the more fun parts of this site like the Off Topic forums that have nothing to do with Gran Turismo, and only provide friendship, amusement, and some pleasant online company.
Shame.
Well, sorry, misery-lovers. We Gran Turismo fans will most certainly continue to have fun, oodles and oodles of it - not the kind that Mr. Misery and his twelve disciples will have around here pissing in every thread that even remotely promotes fun - but the kind of fun we can take anywhere there are fans ready to gather around and have fun with it.
And we will continue to do it here till the admin comes along and says "No fun allowed! Criticise! Constructively! Everywhere! Every thread! Seriously! What do you think this site is for? This is a grave-site not a fan site!"
Which TBH honest, I don't think will ever happen. This fan site is - last I looked - predominantly, a place to share news, info, fun, and enjoyment about our favorite video-game.
Not misery.
If we have any brickbats, or even bouquets for that matter, we can take it to the Feedback Forum. Or else shove it where the sun don't shine, and get on with the game.
Have fun!
Seriously, guys. Stop it. It's not funny.
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Certainly wouldn't want that on a message board.
I'll give you a hint: He actively cultivates the responses he gets to his posts.
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- Neomone
Aww. Do you feel bad for having to discuss your posts?
If you don't want to discuss, then don't reply when people ask you questions. You can stop it right there, all by yourself. Put me on ignore if you have such a problem with me. But it's a discussion board, and when someone posts something that I want to talk about I'm going to reply.
Edit: I thought I remembered having this discussion with you before.
See, and this is why it's a strawman. The OP is complaining about people ganging up on others for having fun.
I'm pretty sure I've never had a go at anyone for enjoying the game. I often made a point of saying that I'm glad other people are enjoying the game, even though I don't particularly enjoy it. If I've ever said to anyone that they shouldn't be enjoying the game then I take it back and apologise.
You, on the other hand, I'm quite happy to pick apart your factually incorrect comments. That has nothing to do with the enjoyment of the game, and so is not part of the OP's rant.
Which, you'll be interested to know, I tend to agree with. It could have been a lot shorter and less angry, but the guy is passionate. He likes the game, and doesn't feel that others should be telling him that he's doing it wrong. He's right, it's great that he's enjoying the game and he should continue to do so without being told that his enjoyment is somehow "wrong".
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- jimipitbull
As opposed to inactively cultivating responses?
Or are you dribbling manure again, which may fertilise my response?
Lay off the hydroponics dude.
I think it's because I drive faster than them. It hurts their self esteem, so they blame the game.
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- GyroxOpex
Could you link me to my post on the camber thread? Because according to this search (which admittedly may be wrong), I've never even created a post mentioning camber, nor have I posted on the camber thread.
The general tone of your posts towards me has seemed awfully cynical and offensive at points, even when I've simply pointed out I like the way something is. I don't like flaunting this fact all over the place (well, most of the time, anyway), but I started a very specific encyclopedia project that's used by over 4,000 GT players browse a day in order to find out things about the series. You may have heard about it; heck, you've probably used it at some point or another. I think I've earned the right to not be hounded and picked apart whenever I post an opinion.
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Anyway, to whom does this trope apply to? 
Also:
>tfw people point out GT's problems AND mention/suggest pCars/Assetto Corsa
>tfw people didn't know or talk pCars/Assetto Corsa's problems
(OK, this isn't a imageboard...)
Also:
>tfw people point out GT's problems AND mention/suggest pCars/Assetto Corsa
>tfw people didn't know or talk pCars/Assetto Corsa's problems
(OK, this isn't a imageboard...)
- 40,809
If that means "posting with sincerity", then yes.
Famine wrote GTPedia. I'm fairly doubtful that he uses that as leverage to say his opinions on things regarding Gran Turismo should not be challenged. Probably because the two concepts are unrelated. Or maybe simply because there is no such thing as "the right to no discussion after expressing an opinion on a discussion board."
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I'm not saying it shouldn't be challenged. Feel free to challenge it, just don't challenge it every ****ing time I say I like something. Sorry I wasn't clear on that.
Aaand here we go again. A thread that originally had absolutely nothing to do with me has turned into being entirely about me. Look, if you guys want, we can pick this up in a convo. I don't want to derail discussion here.
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- jimipitbull
You used to get harassed by certain people. Now you are one of them.
Break the cycle, man.
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I mentioned both of you (Toko and Imari) here as "power users" - do you have any problem with that? (apologies for some else's bad language)
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- Neomone
I was thinking of someone else. I changed it.
Good on you for doing something valuable for the community, that's great.
I reply to your posts the same way as I reply to Tokos, or Famines, or anyone elses. If I think you're wrong, I'll say so, and if I think you're saying something laughably inaccurate I'll poke fun. I don't claim special privilege for any of my achievements, and I think one of the great things about a message board is that everyone is equal, whether they be an 8 year old getting into the game for the first time or a 63 year old veteran programmer.
Having just skimmed the last couple of months of your posts I find very few that I've actually replied to, so I'm not entirely sure where you get this impression that I'm going around picking apart your posts every time you put something up. It just doesn't seem to be true.
Is this a feeling that you've got from a relatively small number of my posts that really hit home to you, or is it actually a large number of posts that I've made directly to you?
I'd like you to provide me with an example of me challenging you over saying you liked something. I seriously doubt I've done it, and if I have I want the opportunity to retract it and apologise.
I'll challenge you over stuff you say that's wrong, but not over saying that you like stuff. If that's how you feel then that's how you feel. And it's a good thing, just because I don't enjoy the game doesn't mean that I don't want others to enjoy it.
I think it's relevant. You clearly feel as strongly about this as the OP, and for similar reasons. Perhaps if we can get at the reasons why you're feeling attacked, then we can solve the problem for others as well.
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I mentioned both of you (Toko and Imari) here as "power users" - do you have any problem with that? (apologies for some else's bad language)
What's a power user? I might agree with you if I knew what it was.
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I'm certainly insulted that I didn't even get a mention. It would be great to be as "infamous" over GT happenings as I used to be over Sonic happenings.
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