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[Pupik]

Agreed. You need that ****ed up old city planning for some variation. Perhaps Boston is a better candidate for a street circuit.

Not many motorsports enthusiasts northeast of New York, though there's some awesome tunnels. You could probably have an entirely-underground circuit thanks to the Ted Williams*, Sumner, and Tip O'Neil tunnels. Although that wouldn't be very safe.

The Formula E circuit was hardly 2km, so it would be so different from that, that it would be a stretch to call it a variation. The Indycar circuit was in the same region as the FE track, at Biscayne Park early on and then further down the road later on, but they never ran a circuit similar to FE.

Much of Biscayne Park / Bicentennial Park's roads have been removed in the past few years, so they're not going back to the 1986-1995 IMSA/CART track.

Probably some variant of Biscayne Boulevard. If they use the Downtown Connector, then it would look like something from Wipeout 1968.

I'm cautious...Stephen Ross couldn't make anything out of the Miami Dolphins except higher ticket prices.

* Biggus Diggus!

 

[twitcher]

I don’t think this would ever fly, but what about this, on Miami Beach?

Pit straight is in the parking lot of what is labelled as “City Center” (a large building under construction in any aerial map shots I can find...I think it’s a shopping mall)

https://www.gmap-pedometer.com/m/?r=7061241&rf=1

Cant decide if clockwise or counter clockwise would work better. CCW has better runoffs for all the heavy braking zones. Running CW would probably have better overtaking opportunities (I’d tighten up the right handed onto the 41st street bridge if it was run CW).

Edit: when I first drew that up, it was showing 5.9km, now it’s only saying 3.6km, which is too short. Back to the drawing board

Edit 2: I’m dumb, it’s just switching the units.

 

[Jimlaad43]

I don’t think this would ever fly, but what about this, on Miami Beach?

Pit straight is in the parking lot of what is labelled as “City Center” (a large building under construction in any aerial map shots I can find...I think it’s a shopping mall)

https://www.gmap-pedometer.com/m/?r=7061241&rf=1

Cant decide if clockwise or counter clockwise would work better. CCW has better runoffs for all the heavy braking zones. Running CW would probably have better overtaking opportunities (I’d tighten up the right handed onto the 41st street bridge if it was run CW).

Edit: when I first drew that up, it was showing 5.9km, now it’s only saying 3.6km, which is too short. Back to the drawing board

It's all houses though, there would be too much NIMBY for that to happen.

We actually set this up as a challenge on a different forum, to design a Miami street circuit, and these were the results.
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7210879 (winner)http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7210879
https://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7210968
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7211216 (mine)
[URL]https://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7211692[/URL]
although, this would be a better place for a Miami Grand Prix http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7211264

 

[twitcher]

It really is a terrible city to design a street course.

What about a “street oval”? Just a big box, 4 corners. Would be different

 

[Jimlaad43]

https://wtf1.com/post/f1-wanted-to-...pril-next-year-to-make-it-the-1000th-f1-race/

Race 3 next year will be the 1000th F1 championship race. Liberty wanted to host the race at Silverstone, but decided that April would probably be a disaster weather wise.
I mean, the WEC have been starting their season at Silverstone in April for the past few years, and it's been fi...

OK maybe not

So where should they host the 1000th GP? Looks like it'll likely be Bahrain or China at the moment, but is there somewhere better that would suit a April slot in the calendar?

 

[Liquid]

Monza.

 

[Barra333]

or Monaco. Whether you like the track or not, it is fundamental to F1's history.

 

[m8h3r]

I'd give the vote to Monza over Monaco, unfortunately unless it's wet monaco provides a pretty timid race. Monza tends to at least have overtaking, however artificial you would like to call it

 

[Dennisch]

They're going to the highest bidder. Thus it is a desert race.

 

[PeterJB]

It was bad enough doing the 60-year celebrations and gathering all the former champions at Bahrain.

 

[LumpiestFish]

I love Monaco. I know the racing isn’t the closest, and overtakes are minimal, but I love watching the cars and drivers on the absolute edge every lap. It has a such a grand spectacle to it as well, and with how many GPs there are now, not many have a spectacle at all.

 

[twitcher]

"It would be very strange to see the F1 cars riding in a track that is completely green [with grass verges] outside the race track” - Jorge Lorenzo, when asked about the prospect of F1 cars racing at Assen

 

[Dennisch]

More DRS is better DRS.

 

[BrainsBush]

More DRS is better DRS.

Only thing missing is DRS in the pitlane. That would be fun

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Soon waiting to see 2021 rules become:
"You get DRS:
- When you're anyone but the leader
- When you're within 3 seconds of the next car
- Anywhere that's not a hairpin bend."

Does Monza even need a DRS zone, let alone an extension? Took a quick look back at last year's highlights and the DRS overtakes on the start/finish straight already seemed too facilitated.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Maybe it's more about keeping the overtaken guy within reachsto it's not done and he's left completely in the dust. Longer DRS zones means the first guy can get side by side/overtake early in the DRS zone but there's enough zone left for the overtaken guy to stay with him through the turn or even get side by side again which has potential for an overtake/defend moment. More exciting.

 

[twitcher]

Maybe it's more about keeping the overtaken guy within reachsto it's not done and he's left completely in the dust. Longer DRS zones means the first guy can get side by side/overtake early in the DRS zone but there's enough zone left for the overtaken guy to stay with him through the turn or even get side by side again which has potential for an overtake/defend moment. More exciting.

How is the driver being overtaken supposed to “keep up” with someone doing 10-20 mph faster than them? Did you watch Belgium? The passes were done almost 100m before they even got to the braking zone.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Maybe it's more about keeping the overtaken guy within reachsto it's not done and he's left completely in the dust. Longer DRS zones means the first guy can get side by side/overtake early in the DRS zone but there's enough zone left for the overtaken guy to stay with him through the turn or even get side by side again which has potential for an overtake/defend moment. More exciting.

How does the other guy "keep up" when he also has fixed ratios and he doesn't have his DRS open?

 

[DesertPenguin]

I thought the trailing car can use DRS too as soon as the other guy is ahead since he's within 1 second

 

[Liquid]

I thought the trailing car can use DRS too as soon as the other guy is ahead since he's within 1 second

No, you can only use DRS if you are less than one second behind a car at the detection line. After that point, DRS cannot be activated for any other car in a particular duel because they were not within range at the detection line.

DRS is not a "free use" zone, it is only triggered after the detection line and within specific sections of track.

 

[twitcher]

I thought the trailing car can use DRS too as soon as the other guy is ahead since he's within 1 second

Not at all. Only the person who crosses the drs detection line “behind” gets to use DRS. The car being overtaken has to wait until the next drs zone, or next lap, to gain access to DRS. It’s one of the many reasons the system is so terrible.

 

[Liquid]

Not at all. Only the person who crosses the drs detection line “behind” gets to use DRS. The car being overtaken has to wait until the next drs zone, or next lap, to gain access to DRS. It’s one of the many reasons the system is so terrible.

Almost out of drilled in acceptance, even Brundle has stopped calling it "the overtake button".

How long has it been, 6-7 years?

 

[twitcher]

Almost out of drilled in acceptance, even Brundle has stopped calling it "the overtake button".

How long has it been, 6-7 years?

Ya something like that. I thought it was supposed to be a “temporary solution” as well?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Almost out of drilled in acceptance, even Brundle has stopped calling it "the overtake button".

How long has it been, 6-7 years?

The engineers still refer to "overtake" modes and/or buttons on the radio but now that's a bit of extra power they can make available for limited lengths of time.

 

[BrainsBush]

2019 preliminary calendar


De voorlopige Formule 1-kalender voor 2019:
17 maart - GP van Australië - Melbourne
31 maart - GP van Bahrein - Sakhir
14 april - GP van China - Shanghai
28 april - GP van Azerbeidzjan - Baku
12 mei - GP van Spanje - Barcelona
26 mei - GP van Monaco - Monaco
9 juni - GP van Canada - Montreal
23 juni - GP van Frankrijk - Le Castellet
30 juni - GP van Oostenrijk - Spielberg
14 juli - GP van Groot-Brittannië - Silverstone
28 juli - GP van Duitsland - Hockenheim
4 augustus - GP van Hongarije - Boedapest
1 september - GP van België - Spa
8 september - GP van Italië - Monza
22 september - GP van Singapore - Singapore
29 september - GP van Rusland - Sochi
13 oktober - GP van Japan - Suzuka
27 oktober - GP van Mexico - Mexico-Stad
3 november - GP van Verenigde Staten - Austin
17 november - GP van Brazilië - Sao Paulo
1 december - GP van Abu Dhabi - Yas Marina

 

[EngieDiesel]

Monza is going to be discussing their contract with Liberty Media this weekend. Apparently 2019's terms are already set so I doubt anything world-shaking will come of it, but wouldn't surprise me if some other tracks decided it's time to do the same.

 

[BrainsBush]

Hanoi 2020 here we come