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New chains are almost always too long and need shortening to the desired length. There's no doubt that it's far too long, there shouldn't be any slack even on the small-small combination - well no, you shouldn't use it, but shifting mistakes happen and you don't want the chain to go all limp in such a case - but now it's not good even on the big ring.

Before ordering a new one, even though $50 isn't much, I would have checked if the old derailleur would actually have worked although it's said that it doesn't. The medium cage XT derailleur, for example, doesn't officially work with the 10-51 cassette but in reality it does. There's always a ton of safety margin in the compatibility claims so that people don't get it wrong, break stuff and then complain that it was said to work.

The only downside in a longer cage is more chain movement on rough surfaces but unless you're doing the Aremberg forest at race speeds daily you won't notice a thing. Oh, and when you install it (if you do it yourself, otherwise ask the one doing it) put in a new cable too. Cheap and easy to do when the derailleur is off anyway. And don't leave the barrel adjuster that much opened, cables will stretch, housings may compress, and that one is close to the outer limits already.
I tested my existing RD and for me it was too close for comfort. At MAX reach, the jockey wheel was basically in the teeth of the largest cog. Shimano rates it at 28t. If I was going up to a 30t, or even a 32t I would be inclined to try it. But a full 6t more I think is asking too much. The R7000 is a bit lighter, designed for bigger cogs, and from what I've read shifts a bit nicer too. I'm gonna do the shift cable too, though I might have a shop do that part.
 
Do the shift cable yourself, it's not that hard. Not because it's expensive at the shop, but to learn to do it. Basically in a nutshell: put it in the highest gear, roll the shifter rubber grommet off enough to be able to see the cable end, detach it from the derailleur and see how it was fitted. Pull the old cable out from the handle, thread the new one in, fit it in the derailleur, pull it really hard so that there's no slack anywhere and tighten the screw. Adjust from the barrel adjuster as necessary, cut the cable, fit a new end plug, roll the grommet back and call it a day.

Meanwhile I'm reworking the donut mobile a bit more, it was basically finished last spring but we've had so much snow recently that it's seen more use than I ever expected when buying it. With more riding experience the small shortcomings are getting irritating - the tyres are original from 2014-2015 judging by all evidence and the tread feels more like a car radiator hose material than a bike tyre, and the 170 mm cranks are really too short as I have a pretty bad case of a princess syndrome with them and indeed need 175 mm. Anything shorter feels like the FWD kids' tricycle.

With the eventual new tyres I'll do a bit of a "who dares, wins" setup and use undersized tubes. Everyone says tubeless is the best thing you can do to a fatty but I've had more than enough of it with the XC bikes, sure it's nice when it fixes small leaks but when the tyre gets properly ripped it's of no use so you'll need to carry a tube and tools anyway. Not to mention the amount of mess when putting a tube into a tyre that a few minutes ago had sealant in it, of course in field conditions at some trail side where the sealant remains will pick up anything smaller than a squirrel that will then puncture the tube on the way home. So, several people say a 26x2.5-3.0 tube works just fine even in a 26x4.8 tyre and that's what I'm going to try. As an added bonus they weigh some 200g a piece while actual fat tubes are in the 450g ballpark so less rotating mass and a much thinner layer of rubber following the surface contours. If it goes kaboom then so what, I'm never very far from home with that bike anyway.
 
I bet you could see straight through that 2.5" tube pumped up to fill a 4.8" carcass :lol:

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Entirely possible, if not even likely, but I'll try it anyway. There's a reasonable chance a thicker 3.0" freeride tube could indeed work, I'll have to get 27,5" tubes though as 26" isn't locally available but since the outer diameter is equal to a 29" anyway I doubt it's the biggest of the potentially catastrophic issues here.
 
So the wheelset I bought was labeled as "white industries built" but as far as I can tell, White Industries does not have and has never had a logo that looks anything like this. Anyone recognize it? I looked up "7T" and ZT" and found nothing similar. The hubs are definitely Reynolds.

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Those are H+Son wheels. Better than White Industires. :D
 
You got a steal there, lol. Each hoop is like $115-125.
 
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Nothing wrong with getting good stuff for free. I've never figured out (not that I've actively tried though) what happened with my SID SL, the damper began making a clicking noise with something like 20 hours of use and it was sent to the importer to be checked under warranty. They serviced it and it came back not with the Charger damper it had when it left my hands, but the Race Day upgrade kit that costs some 300€ when bought separately. Not going to complain.
 
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Well I ended up taking my hack job to my LBS for them to sort out. Turns out I had managed to install the derailleur in the wrong position (which I honestly didn't think was possible, but there you go) which meant that the arm was wrapping up into the chainstay. It definitely looked wrong, but I couldn't figure out why. The more you know I suppose. One consequence of that mistake was that I also made the chain too short. Thankfully the guy was able to correct that (and thankfully I had the foresight to bring in the links I removed). Apparently the hubs were not tight either and the brake calipers needed to be tuned so he fixed those too. Bike is riding great and looking great, so I'm not mad about it and it wasn't too expensive for him to do the work.
 
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[...] (which I honestly didn't think was possible, but there you go) [...]
The small nudge in the derailleur "arm" not behind the stopping step in the hanger? Easy to do. Even more so if you've never done it before.

Meanwhile my undersized tube project proceeds. The front tyre was done yesterday and it hasn't blown up at least yet, I even did a short test ride on it and felt nothing negative. Fingers crossed for the rear in a few minutes.
 
The small nudge in the derailleur "arm" not behind the stopping step in the hanger? Easy to do. Even more so if you've never done it before.

Meanwhile my undersized tube project proceeds. The front tyre was done yesterday and it hasn't blown up at least yet, I even did a short test ride on it and felt nothing negative. Fingers crossed for the rear in a few minutes.
Did it explode?
 
Perhaps surprisingly, no, and even more surprisingly they don't even leak air although they're obviously stretched much thinner than designed. For once "I read it on the internet, it should work" actually worked.

The weight savings weren't insignificant, that has to be said. The entire thing is 700g lighter now, that's more than 1,5 lbs for the non-metrics and almost all of it came from the tubes. It rolls much better now, how much of it is from the new tyres and how much from the tubes, no idea, but I'd hazard a guess that dropping that much deforming rubber plays a big part in it.

Also the tyre behaviour at low pressures changed a lot, with the old ones the operating window was really narrow with below 6,5 psi being an instant trip to self steering city and over 7,5 psi being increasingly akin to riding a basketball. I managed to forget that air pressure drops quite a lot with temperature, went to a ride in -12°C and came back with 5 psi and still no noticable handling issues. With the old ones I would have struggled to keep it a) on the road and b) moving in the first place.
 
Then some technical problems. Of the sort I really don't understand. I had the fork of my daily beater serviced, and now when putting it back together I just can't get the headset set up properly. Either it's too loose, after which a minimal adjustment makes it too tight, and both can even happen at the same time. I have no idea how it can be loose enough to have play in it while being tight enough to not rotate freely. The bearings have been cleaned and greased, everything is assembled in the proper order, and it still doesn't work.

The main difference to all my other bikes is that they have cartridge bearings, this one has balls in a retainer and matching races. Either this system just sucks really hard, or I've managed to somehow screw it up. In my current state of mind throwing the entire thing off the balcony to the first floor neighbour's back yard isn't far out of the question.
 
Then some technical problems. Of the sort I really don't understand. I had the fork of my daily beater serviced, and now when putting it back together I just can't get the headset set up properly. Either it's too loose, after which a minimal adjustment makes it too tight, and both can even happen at the same time. I have no idea how it can be loose enough to have play in it while being tight enough to not rotate freely. The bearings have been cleaned and greased, everything is assembled in the proper order, and it still doesn't work.

The main difference to all my other bikes is that they have cartridge bearings, this one has balls in a retainer and matching races. Either this system just sucks really hard, or I've managed to somehow screw it up. In my current state of mind throwing the entire thing off the balcony to the first floor neighbour's back yard isn't far out of the question.
Sounds like binding. Are you sure the raceways are totally plumb/level?
 
It seems the construction is extremely finicky to get right for some reason. After a few more times taking it apart, checking everything, cleaning everything, greasing the bearings a bit more, parts finally fell into place properly. The upper stack of the bearing, the upper race, its surrounding dust shield and the centering cone simply seems to have a few moving parts too many in it to work every time. Lots of loosening, tightening, wiggling and rocking needed to have everything settle exactly where they need to be. Meanwhile the cartridge bearing system pretty much requires all the parts to be used, nearly no matter how tight or loose as long as they're all there, and it'll work without any hassle.
 
Speaking of stems, in a way. WARNING: RANT INCOMING after a bit of an intro.

This thread has more common sense among the handful of us here than I've seen combined elsewhere during my biking "career" that is more than a decade long now. And nothing else shows it better than anything related to bike fit, for example @Omnis above wondering about swapping the cranks for longer ones and nobody said anything before seeing how it actually turns out. Which is exactly how it should go, nobody else can know if it works or not.

The know-it-all people, the so called serious bikers, take the Velominati mindset without any of the humour, turn it up to 11, and apply it religiously. Especially when bike fit is considered. I've heard the "if you're between two frame sizes, always pick the smaller one" so many times that I may just punch the next besserwisser using it smack in the middle of their face without any hesitation. They don't know such a thing as a frame too small, even in cases when it results in an abomination that needs a stem something like 30 mm longer than the geometry was designed around and a set back seatpost with the saddle pushed all the way back. The resulting bike steers like a rigid truck due to the overly long stem, is very prone to OTBing as the bar is far further forward than what the head angle was designed for, and the hip/knee section is probably all out of whack due to the saddle being several centimetres too far back just to have enough room between it and the bars.

Another thing that I again recently came across, and that actually sparked this post, is crank length. Read any article about it and the conclusion is always the same: the shorter the better. It's funny how no bike company puts 160 mm cranks on size L frames even though they apparently work best for everyone. Oh hell no they don't, I wouldn't put such ones on anything other than a kids' bike. They may work for someone who always rides at 120 rpm but that's about it. And crank length is, at least for me, one of the biggest things in how the bike performs. It's happened often enough now that it's not a coincidence, I'll try a bike and it doesn't seem to be moving like it should, and it turns out that it has 170 mm cranks. I had an otherwise pretty good cyclocross bike of my own for a while that wasn't any faster than a lightweight XC hardtail and it always felt like I just couldn't get the power down - 170 mm cranks. Tried a friend's enduro rig recently, absolutely no forward propelling power even when out of the saddle - 165 mm cranks. The difference to my preferred 175 mm isn't much in numbers, but it's very noticable.

Putting those two paragraphs into reality, my own bike is probably built all wrong according to the experts. I'm a bit on the short side but have longer than average legs, height 173 cm with an 80 cm inseam. They'd put me on an S/15,5" frame with 165 mm cranks in an instant with absolutely no objections, in reality I ride an M/17,5" with a pretty long 430 mm reach, a 60 mm stem, a zero offset seatpost with the saddle well forward to feel like I'm pedalling a bike and not a go-kart, and 175 mm cranks. The smaller frame would probably require at least an 80 if not 90 mm stem which would throw agility out of the window, the shorter cranks would force the saddle another 10 mm higher which would raise the CoG and move it forward, neither of which is good for handling. But it would be CORRECT.
Trigger warning: Why is Jonas Vingegaard using tiny 150mm cranks?
 
Not saying it can't work for him, but he's indeed relatively short (I have a right to say that, I'm even shorter) and we don't know his inseam length. The problem with the internet know-it-alls is that according to them shorter works for everyone, which clearly isn't the case as noted in the article - in one test 180 mm gave the best results. Perhaps only for one rider, but it's enough to prove that shorter isn't always better.

One thing that stuck out for me was saying that shorter cranks are more aero, not so sure about that. Going from 175 mm to 150 mm inevitably requires a 25 mm higher saddle position, moving the rider higher which not only increases turbulent frontal area as less of the bike is behind the legs' slipstream, but also raises the centre of gravity pretty noticably. It may not be an issue in most road situations but can definitely be felt in in fast cornering descends and a MTB rider would find it a huge difference.
 
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Not saying it can't work for him, but he's indeed relatively short (I have a right to say that, I'm even shorter) and we don't know his inseam length. The problem with the internet know-it-alls is that according to them shorter works for everyone, which clearly isn't the case as noted in the article - in one test 180 mm gave the best results. Perhaps only for one rider, but it's enough to prove that shorter isn't always better.

One thing that stuck out for me was saying that shorter cranks are more aero, not so sure about that. Going from 175 mm to 150 mm inevitably requires a 25 mm higher saddle position, moving the rider higher which not only increases turbulent frontal area as less of the bike is behind the legs' slipstream, but also raises the centre of gravity pretty noticably. It may not be an issue in most road situations but can definitely be felt in in fast cornering descends and a MTB rider would find it a huge difference.
There's also a bit in there about shorter cranks giving higher cadence. That doesn't make since either, at least not directly - it's like going to a long rod / short stroke engine build - you reduce piston speed for a given RPM (in turn reducing piston inertia) and therefore have less strain on the rod bearings & wrist pins, which is akin to less knee and ankle (I guess) loading/fatigue for a given cadence. In the case of the engine, I there's also high RPM benefits of less dramatic connecting rod angles/eccentric loading, which I guess also translates to human legs - in both cases at the expense of low RPM torque production. I'm tempted to try a 165mm crank on my road bike, just to see how it is. I'm pretty spinny (90rpm feels comfortable to me) so it may have some benefit.

Speaking of cranks and the above analogy got me thinking - why do bikes have cranks that require a persons legs to follow a circle. A piston arrangement has the power producing thing go in a straight line. I wondered if such a thing has ever been tried with bikes...and it has.

Freak bike from the 1980s:
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Freak bike from the 2010s:

Freak bike from the 2020s:


Ok none of these are truly similar to a piston/rod/crankshaft system, but they are pretty close in terms of the biomechanical movement, though still an arch rather than a straight line. Weird stuff.
 
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