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To be fair you did say that she is, after all, the first woman to win a motorsports event ... and Rally as far as I know is a motorsport event.
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To be fair you did say that she is, after all, the first woman to win a motorsports event ... and Rally as far as I know is a motorsport event.
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DP is an overrated, talentless turd that hasn't earned her way to the top and has earned absolutely none of her hype. I root against her because she hadn't earned anything and my wife hates her guts. There's easily a thousand other oval racers in the US that deserve her seat at least as much, but they don't look as hot in a bikini so she's there and they aren't.
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I never liked her and I never will. That's my thought on it.
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I'd put her on pole, so to speak.
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Yes I know, even more impressive .... miles on end of twisty gravel roads, hundreds or even thousands of corners, and guys like:
Hannu Mikkola
Stig Blomqvist
Markku Alen
Walter Rohrl
Ari Vatanen
Miky Biasion
Henri Toivonen
Attilio Bettega
Per Eklund
Timo Salonen
Juha Kankkunen
... trying their best too.
PS - And for anyone curious enough to know what's really kicking testosterone in the nuts, look for "Michelle Mouton and Bobby Unser" in Google. Poor old Bobby didn't stand seeing a woman conquer his mountain.
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She won the two-litre prototype class at Le Mans in 1975. She did not win the race.
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When they interview you for finishing 38th in the 500 that is an issue. If Bayne had finished his first 500 last year in 38th no one would have cared. So for Patrick to get this sort of lime light due to being a woman is wrong. It's great that women drive in racing but I don't see Pippa Mann doing this really, and I think she is far greater than Patrick.
Wow really? You're really going to split hairs just to try and be right.
Wow really? You're really going to split hairs just to try and be right.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=yvc9AAAAIBAJ&sjid=LEkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3914,5843531&dq=mouton&hl=en
From an era when political correctness wasn't all that came out of a world class race driver. Walter Rohrl's declarations are so honest they get funny
And this one is priceless, although one can't be sure about details. Back then, all that was reported in the serious motorsports press (and I remember reading about in the weekly sports newspaper) is that there was a "problem" up there between Mademoiselle Mouton and Bobby Unser. Here one possible account:
Now, I'm not trying to steal this thread from Danica Patrick. But the title is about kicking testosterone in the **** and I know who did it, quite impressively, in both sides of the Atlantic, nearly 30 years ago. And what Danica Patrick has done so far doesn't even get close.
And looking at it all again, it's funny how the "woman" factor was more a disturbance for the drivers back in the 80's, and less i the newspapers. Now, it almost seems the drivers don't mind it that much, but the press goes berserk about a pretty face being able to drive.
From an era when political correctness wasn't all that came out of a world class race driver. Walter Rohrl's declarations are so honest they get funny
And this one is priceless, although one can't be sure about details. Back then, all that was reported in the serious motorsports press (and I remember reading about in the weekly sports newspaper) is that there was a "problem" up there between Mademoiselle Mouton and Bobby Unser. Here one possible account:
From here: http://www.raceretro.com/showcontent.asp?CollectionID=@0000000193
Now, I'm not trying to steal this thread from Danica Patrick. But the title is about kicking testosterone in the **** and I know who did it, quite impressively, in both sides of the Atlantic, nearly 30 years ago. And what Danica Patrick has done so far doesn't even get close.
And looking at it all again, it's funny how the "woman" factor was more a disturbance for the drivers back in the 80's, and less i the newspapers. Now, it almost seems the drivers don't mind it that much, but the press goes berserk about a pretty face being able to drive.
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She was fast before she was ugly... thats the point... 
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Yes but you're talking about her, and so is everyone else. like her or hate her she draws a crowd to see her $$$, and she make people talk about her, which at the end of the day is all the media wants from her. once there stops being post after post about how much people hate her or how overrated she is, she will go bye bye
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She is great for the industry yes, but this is what racing is turning into unfortunately. Sponsors don't care if your good anymore, they just want you to promote their products. Marlboro and Rothmanns. Sponsored winning cars for years in multiple series'. All the drivers did was win. That gave them better sales because those cars were at the front. Now you have a clown like Danica that bad mouths crews, other drivers, and crashes a lot, but still gets a huge sponsor and tons of money. She even ran over a friend of my dads a few years ago in the pit lane! She's run over quite a few guys, but when it's Danica, they keep it a secret. This is also when ride buying comes into play. The team doesnt care how good you are. You bring money to drve their cars. It's ridiculous. I was just racing my first national kart race this last weekend. Huge and I mean HUGE teams came. The kids that drover for them? Nothing special....they were mostly slow except for a select 5 or 6 drivers. They pay $2,000 to $3,000 a race at the minimum to "arrive and drive" with these teams. Some of those kids would be nothing without those mechanics, or those karts, or those engines. As long as she brings money, then she will be there. It is great for the racing industry though.
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She's won one IndyCar race, which makes her about average. Not much more or less, in my opinion. Granted, it's in an essentially spec-series, so setup and skill are the dominant factors in everyone's success or lack thereof in that area of motorsport.
I guess it's a big "we'll see", but most NASCAR drivers do need a year or two until they're successful, so while one arm of the media is going to follow her every move with excuses, there's still going to be others that will probably be extremely negative at every wrongly placed foot.
She doesn't quite deserve a ton of attention, but don't forget that NASCAR likes every possible stab at Indycar/CART that it can get. That's not coincidence.
Also, be above judging her looks as any qualification for this thread. This isn't a locker room.
I guess it's a big "we'll see", but most NASCAR drivers do need a year or two until they're successful, so while one arm of the media is going to follow her every move with excuses, there's still going to be others that will probably be extremely negative at every wrongly placed foot.
She doesn't quite deserve a ton of attention, but don't forget that NASCAR likes every possible stab at Indycar/CART that it can get. That's not coincidence.
Also, be above judging her looks as any qualification for this thread. This isn't a locker room.
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That's the reason I have a problem with her. Any ounce of talent she has is offset by her modeling career. And the super annoying and stupid Go Daddy "see the unrated version" commercials, definitely hinder any credit she gets.
Of course she isn't the only driver to do advertisements...
But they aren't going for all out sex appeal, or sex appael at all.
All but one of those drivers are world champions though.
That Mercedes advert is class too 👍
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Alright, let's clarify a few things.
You said:
I said:
To which you replied:
As far as I know, a WRC Rally is an international motorsports event. Maybe you meant to say Danica was the first women to win a circuit race, however, that is not what you specifically said the first time around, which is why I responded.
Maybe you don't hold rally in such high regard as some do, and that's fine. I was just making a correction, so people wouldn't start blabbing about Danica being the "first woman to win in motorsports," which wouldn't be true. I apologize for being so anal, can't help myself. 
You said:
I said:
Pretty sure Michele Mouton won a few international rallies.
To which you replied:
As far as I know, a WRC Rally is an international motorsports event. Maybe you meant to say Danica was the first women to win a circuit race, however, that is not what you specifically said the first time around, which is why I responded.
Maybe you don't hold rally in such high regard as some do, and that's fine. I was just making a correction, so people wouldn't start blabbing about Danica being the "first woman to win in motorsports," which wouldn't be true. I apologize for being so anal, can't help myself.
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So what do you guys have to say about Carl Edwards posing with his shirt off for magazine covers?
If Sports Illustrated or Go Daddy offered you hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to show some skin like Danica, would you not do it?
Danica gets alot of attention because people are tuning in to the races just to see her. If NASCAR doesnt pay attention to her at all during the race, then those people turn the channel.
The attention she gets is not fair to other drivers, but at least she is not a terrible driver. She has done decent in her NASCAR starts up to now. The transition she is making is extremely difficult, but she has handled it somewhat well. NASCAR is probably better for her then Indycar anyway, as she has always been a better oval racer then circuit racer.
I understand the sense of justice people have does not like the treatment she receives above almost everyone else. Just be careful that these feelings dont slip into jealousy
If Sports Illustrated or Go Daddy offered you hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to show some skin like Danica, would you not do it?
Danica gets alot of attention because people are tuning in to the races just to see her. If NASCAR doesnt pay attention to her at all during the race, then those people turn the channel.
The attention she gets is not fair to other drivers, but at least she is not a terrible driver. She has done decent in her NASCAR starts up to now. The transition she is making is extremely difficult, but she has handled it somewhat well. NASCAR is probably better for her then Indycar anyway, as she has always been a better oval racer then circuit racer.
I understand the sense of justice people have does not like the treatment she receives above almost everyone else. Just be careful that these feelings dont slip into jealousy
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Andrea de Cesaris and a few NASCAR drivers are right up there. Didn't Michael Waltrip have 300+ races under his belt until winning the ill-fated 2001 Daytona 500? There's some that manage to stick around in various series just because of that one win.
NASCAR has been looking for "diversity", and hey, this what they can get. Studies also show that something like 40-50% of the fans are women (and it's been that way since the 1980's), so if anything, perhaps they're catering to the fanbase. The stats show she's the most consistent female driver in open-wheel racing, but I suspect the full transition from one series to another is going to take time.
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According to the driver database:
http://www.driverdb.com/drivers/danica-patrick/
She seems to have won a few things at karting level but absolutely no races in junior motorsport.
However, winning races isn't necessarily the only indicator of success and talent. She did achieve the odd few podiums and a handful of fastest laps. Looking at the championship positions it seems she had some consistent finishing records (such as finishing 3rd in Atlantics).
As said before, not great but decent and respectable. Probably the same problem that affected her Indycar career applies to her junior results - too inconsistent (in terms of race-winning pace) and only flashes of speed.
http://www.driverdb.com/drivers/danica-patrick/
She seems to have won a few things at karting level but absolutely no races in junior motorsport.
However, winning races isn't necessarily the only indicator of success and talent. She did achieve the odd few podiums and a handful of fastest laps. Looking at the championship positions it seems she had some consistent finishing records (such as finishing 3rd in Atlantics).
As said before, not great but decent and respectable. Probably the same problem that affected her Indycar career applies to her junior results - too inconsistent (in terms of race-winning pace) and only flashes of speed.
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