The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Famine]

This is gonna be my last question for awhile. Do you guys who break morals, do you do these things- homosexuality, hetrosexuality, any other immoral things

I'm not seeing any breach of morals listed there...

because god said you can't?

God said you can't wear clothing that mixes two fabrics, apparently.

 

[Exorcet]

This is gonna be my last question for awhile. Do you guys who break morals, do you do these things- homosexuality, hetrosexuality, any other immoral things because god said you can't?

There is pretty much a moral obligation to argue for gay marriage. What is immoral is limiting people's rights.

 

[nobuffalo]

There's nothing immoral about homosexuality and no they don't do it because some god said they can't, they do it because that's who they are.

 

[Carbonox]

Wait, did Ranman just say heterosexuality is immoral? Or is "hetrosexuality" an entirely different term?

 

[Denur]

This is gonna be my last question for awhile. Do you guys who break morals, do you do these things- homosexuality, hetrosexuality, any other immoral things because god said you can't?

Yes, I screw other guys just to piss-off God. Why else would I do such a despicable deed?

 

[Johnnypenso]

This is gonna be my last question for awhile. Do you guys who break morals, do you do these things- homosexuality, hetrosexuality, any other immoral things because god said you can't?

I respect your right to your beliefs. We all have freedom of religion and can believe what we want to believe. We still aren't punished for our thoughts...yet. No can argue that's what you believe or that you are wrong. You are not wrong, in the context of your religion. Your beliefs tell you that gay marriage is simply wrong and you are entitled to that opinion.

However, this discussion and the gay marriage debate in general, isn't in the context of your religion, it's in the context of society as a whole, what is legal and what is logical. Logically, there is no case against gay marriage and anyone that subscribes to a different set of beliefs than you do, will naturally disagree with you and they are not wrong either, within the context of their beliefs.

I am for gay marriage as I've said many times on this thread, although the idea of two men being intimate still gives me the willies. Seeing two men kiss makes me feel a little creepy. I don't enjoy watching effeminate men on tv or in movies and avoid them in my real life as best I can. Even though I have gay friends, I tell gay jokes and make as much fun of them as I do anyone else for any reason, and they in return tell their "breeder" jokes and it's all good fun.

Doesn't mean I can't feel a little creeped out by the physical stuff, and still respect their right to marry and be miserable and get divorced like the rest of us...

 

[cgg]

I'm not religious. I don't follow the rules of God. Obviously, blatant things like don't steal, don't murder etc. I follow, but that's just being a good person. I don't know if God exists, but I do believe that people aren't here by chance.

To me, homosexuality is no problem.

 

[FoolKiller]

People have changed over 2013 years since Jesus' teachings. Religion has not. I don't understand religion, but one thing I do know. Bits of it are morally wrong.

This is so far from correct it isn't funny. Nor do I understand how Jesus' teachings play into it, since most of his teachings would not meet your standard of morally wrong. Unless you have a moral objection to forgiveness and love, not striking out at those who offend you, or even forgiving your murderers during the act of killing you.

Do not confuse the men who espouse religious teachings with the actual religious roots. And even those very flawed men have changed in 2000 years. The church does not lead crusades, torture and death is not used against those accused of heresay, witches don't burn at stakes, Catholics allow divorce, Martin Luther created a whole subset of Christians with the notion of change, sermons are no longer exclucively spoken in Latin, astronomy is recognized, and some groups even allow gay bishops and have gay-friendly churches.

The problem is the people, not the religion.

This is gonna be my last question for awhile. Do you guys who break morals, do you do these things- homosexuality, hetrosexuality, any other immoral things because god said you can't?

Yes, every time I commit a sexually immoral act I sneer at Heaven and show God my pale butt. [/sarcasm]

Do you sin because God told you not to? Or do you get caught up in a sinful act and then realize you were inappropriate after it is too late?

The only people I know of who perform sinful acts purely because it is a sinful act do it to offend judgmental religious people.


Now, I have a question for you. If an openly gay couple came into your church and wanted to become members would you welcome them with open arms and treat them the same way you would any straight couple?

 

[cgg]

some groups even allow gay bishops and have gay-friendly churches.

I think that's the problem. Shouldn't they all? I mean, God is supposedly really good, and accepts everyone, meaning that all groups should allow homosexuality.

 

[Ranman20]

This is so far from correct it isn't funny. Nor do I understand how Jesus' teachings play into it, since most of his teachings would not meet your standard of morally wrong. Unless you have a moral objection to forgiveness and love, not striking out at those who offend you, or even forgiving your murderers during the act of killing you.

Do not confuse the men who espouse religious teachings with the actual religious roots. And even those very flawed men have changed in 2000 years. The church does not lead crusades, torture and death is not used against those accused of heresay, witches don't burn at stakes, Catholics allow divorce, Martin Luther created a whole subset of Christians with the notion of change, sermons are no longer exclucively spoken in Latin, astronomy is recognized, and some groups even allow gay bishops and have gay-friendly churches.

The problem is the people, not the religion.

Yes, every time I commit a sexually immoral act I sneer at Heaven and show God my pale butt. [/sarcasm]

Do you sin because God told you not to? Or do you get caught up in a sinful act and then realize you were inappropriate after it is too late?

The only people I know of who perform sinful acts purely because it is a sinful act do it to offend judgmental religious people.

Now, I have a question for you. If an openly gay couple came into your church and wanted to become members would you welcome them with open arms and treat them the same way you would any straight couple?

I would welcome them and are the gay couple coming for help so they can stop being gay?

Actually if they knew we didn't accept gays as members why would they take their time to come?

 

[cgg]

I would welcome them and are the gay couple coming for help so they can stop being gay?

Bit of a silly question. If a gay couple comes, there obviously not ashamed of being gay, or they wouldn't be a couple. If they're not ashamed, why would they want to stop being gay?

Also, nice little edit there. Editing like that only works when someone hasn't quoted what you have said.

 

[Ranman20]

Bit of a silly question. If a gay couple comes, there obviously not ashamed of being gay, or they wouldn't be a couple. If they're not ashamed, why would they want to stop being gay?

They may regret the things that they are doing in the future.

 

[Famine]

are the gay couple coming for help so they can stop being gay?

A-hahahahahaha.

Actually if they knew we didn't accept gays as members why would they take their time to come?

So no response on the fact that Chrsitianity is named after a guy who taught love for all without prejudice and you're going against that then?

 

[cgg]

Why? They are happy being gay. You wouldn't say that a heterosexual couple went to church to stop being heterosexual because they might regret things they are doing in the future would you?

 

[Ranman20]

A-hahahahahaha.So no response on the fact that Chrsitianity is named after a guy who taught love for all without prejudice and you're going against that then?

So what do you want me to do human?

I won't force nobody out, I will welcome them in. But why would they want to come? The world has decided to make a church for gays already.

 

[Dennisch]

I would welcome them and are the gay couple coming for help so they can stop being gay?

Also, this:

A-hahahahahaha.

 

[cgg]

So what do you want me to do human?

I won't force nobody out, I will welcome them in. But why would they want to come? The world has decided to make a church for gays already.

Churches should accept everyone. It's in the interest of God.

 

[DK]

God said you can't wear clothing that mixes two fabrics, apparently.

Don't forget that you can't eat shrimp either, but all you have to do to make up for raping a woman is marry her and pay her dad 50 pieces of silver.

 

[Famine]

So what do you want me to do human?

Are we addressing people by their species now?

I won't force nobody out, I will welcome them in. But why would they want to come? The world has decided to make a church for gays already.

That church is, according to its founder, the Christian church. Of any denomination.

Anyone singing from the sheet that says homosexuality is immoral and gays should be shunned isn't following what Christ is supposed to have said.

 

[Ranman20]

Are we addressing people by their species now?That church is, according to its founder, the Christian church. Of any denomination.

Anyone singing from the sheet that says homosexuality is immoral and gays should be shunned isn't following what Christ is supposed to have said.

We're dirt not animals.

So you guys try to use the old testimate to justify your answers?

 

[DK]

We're dirt not animals.

So you guys try to use the old testimate to justify your answers?

Well, let's hear what Jesus says about the Old Testament:

For verily I say unto you, Till
heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from
the law [of Moses], till all be fulfilled.

 

[LL13JCS]

theres nowt wrong with people who are "gay" tbh...they didnt choose to be gay, its the way they are. for the religious nuts, that means they are gay because god chose to make them that way makes everyone in his image remember....if indeed "god" exists...

(btw just because im a horrible person) - religious people..what makes you think if you go to church you will have a great life after? god killed billions of people in the bible just because they wernt doing what he wanted (sounds more like satan than god right?) but yet satan only killed 4 people in the bible? (i may be wrong but its a very small amount he killed if you read it)..the devil accepts you for being you and encourages it, so how can you say if you do what you want he will punish you by torturing you for eternity? god makes you have a **** life..promising something that might not be true (sorry but i'm sure there are some christian.....people in here)..the bible is full of holes haha.. + if the bible, god etc are real you have just made sure you wont get into this heaven place by judging others.... just saying...

 

[Famine]

We're dirt not animals.

Which is both exactly wrong and not relevant to anything I said. I just wanted to know why you were addressing me by my species.

So you guys try to use the old testimate to justify your answers?

And this is fatuous to the point of deliberate denseness.

Only someone using the old testament as a source would say homosexuals are sinners and shun them. The dude after whom the religion of Christianity is named said to love everyone equally.

So if you're saying gays aren't welcome, you're not being Christian. You're using the old testament to justify your abhorrent mindset.

 

[Ranman20]

If everybody made in God's Image then why is it that everyone is not gay or strait? Because of sin right? Everyone has a choice right? So people choose to be gay? If that's incorrect then show me a chart that shows how many gay babys are born gay a year.

 

[Encyclopedia]

If everybody made in God's Image then why is it that everyone is not gay or strait? Because of sin right? Everyone has a choice right? So people choose to be gay? If that's incorrect then show me a chart that shows how many gay babys are born gay a year.

Again, sexuality is not a choice. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Also, babies do not have a sexuality. It develops later.

 

[Ranman20]

Again, sexuality is not a choice. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Also, babies do not have a sexuality. It develops later.

How is it developed then?

 

[Encyclopedia]

How is it developed then?

Not that I'm an expert, but I'd say through puberty.

That when sexual interest tends to form.

 

[FoolKiller]

I think that's the problem. Shouldn't they all? I mean, God is supposedly really good, and accepts everyone, meaning that all groups should allow homosexuality.

But it shows that religion has changed. Some sects more than others, but it has changed.

I would welcome them and are the gay couple coming for help so they can stop being gay?

No, they are coming to worship God, the same as you.

You actually don't know how to not sound offensive, do you?

Actually if they knew we didn't accept gays as members why would they take their time to come?

If they are looking for a home church to join, they wouldn't know, but if they did know then maybe it is because they still believe in God, want to worship him, and hope that a church congregation hasn't let the hate of Satan into their hearts.

They may regret the things that they are doing in the future.

Just because they are gay?

Let me draw you a picture of this couple. It is two lesbians in their upper 30's. they have attended church at their previous home every Sunday. They even had a marriage ceremony in the church presided by the pastor. In their hearts they love one another and committed their lives to each other before God. They have adopted two small children who were taken from their heterosexual birth parents due to drug abuse during and after pregnancy. One was born addicted to crack. They are such good parents that after they were fostering the one child they were expecting child protective services called and asked if they could take a second since they had proven to be ideal parents. During their free time time they volunteer to help the poor and participate in Eco-friendly organizations, as Pope Francis has even said people should. And they are such beloved people in their community that when they celebrated adoption finalization of their oldest child with a couple of family members at a local ice cream shop, and word got out that is where they would be, more people showed up than the ice cream shop can handle. No one who knows them can recall them ever drinking alcohol or even cussing, but everyone knows that dinner with them means you will say grace before you eat.

What regrets should they have? What punishment from God should they fear?

I won't force nobody out, I will welcome them in. But why would they want to come? The world has decided to make a church for gays already.

Maybe they aren't Episcopalian, or there isn't an episcopalian church in your area, but your specific denomination is close enough for them to find it to their liking moreso than the other area churches.



Some days, I wish poor grammar was a sin.

 

[Ranman20]

Not that I'm an expert, but I'd say through puberty.

That when sexual interest tends to form.

So your telling me a 6 year old goes to school and whatever gender he hangs around with the most he adapts to it and is attracted sexually to that gender?

 

[Encyclopedia]

So your telling me a 6 year old goes to school and whatever gender he hangs around with the most he adapts to it and is attracted sexually to that gender?