The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[IceMan PJN]

Ah yes, Facebook comments. YouTube comments' twin sibling.

Several times over the past day I've repeatedly asked "why do I keep going on Facebook?" Every bloody time I scroll through my feed, there's new bigoted comments condemning the US for finally entering the 21st century or condemning homosexuals and everyone in favor of same-sex marriage to burn in hell. Some old friends have actually posted stuff like "they need shot in the head." They're not my friends any longer. I have zero tolerance for bigotry.

I'm just waiting for some ignoramus to post a rant about how this is Obama's fault or the fault of liberals, so I can point out that five of the nine justices were appointed by Republicans.

 

[Eric Demory]

I'm for gay marriage, I'm bisexual, but I honestly did not care enough whether or not it became legal. Now they can suffer from child support, divorce court, prenuptial agreements. Have fun! 👍

Can we move on to relevant subjects now? Or is the LGBT community going to dig up new issues just to keep them active?

 

[CinnamonOD]

Well, I don't know if this made it to this thread, but Mexico legalized homosexual marriage in all of the 31 states, just last week.

There wasn't such a buzz about it, maybe because all 31 states are autonomous and can say yes or no whenever they want.

 

[KSaiyu]

Can we move on to relevant subjects now? Or is the LGBT community going to dig up new issues just to keep them active?

It will take a while, there's still legs on Caitlyn Jenner after all. Would be interesting to see the reaction if he made a joke about Dolezal along the lines of "White, Black, Blight, Whack"

 

[Eric Demory]

It will take a while, there's still legs on Caitlyn Jenner after all. Would be interesting to see the reaction if he made a joke about Dolezal along the lines of "White, Black, Blight, Whack"

I'd love to see Bruce slam Dolezal. How could anyone defend that lying black wannabe with a legitimate reason?

 

[KSaiyu]

To be honest it does start to get a bit obtrusive:

Even more funny considering the history of the site

 

[Encyclopedia]

Wow, how intrusive.


Edit: Just realized it said obtrusive. Replace intrusive with obtrusive and my point still stands.

 

[Crispy]

I heard a loud sound outside my window. I thought it was God coming to strike us down! Nope just a lawn mower. It rained yesterday, maybe He was going to wash us away in a flood?!? Didn't rain much though.

It's day 2 and many queer-o-sexuals have been allowed to....join...together. I'll keep you guys noted on the coming apocalypse.

On a serious note, waking up to the news yesterday was a very pleasant surprise. The next best part was reading all the responses of anger! These people do know that it is optional right? It's not like anyone is forcing them to be gay.

This was long, long overdue. This week has been a really good week for America and Americans.

 

[niky]

Why wait? Surely this triumph should spur on the equality movement to champion the right for everyone. Equality's equality right....or are some more equal than others. Homosexuals and heterosexuals who don't believe in polygamy/incestuousness can definitely be guilty of paedophilia. You're sounding like you're associating two groups with paedophilia....

Polygamy, no. I have no problem with things that groups of consenting adults want to do with each other. I was actually talking about incest between an elder and a younger relative...

Though once both parties are adults, they are free to do as they wish, there's the problem of the older party exerting their authority over the other to force them into sexual relations... much as how a pedophile might coerce a child into sex. It's a tricky thing.

(not that this sort of coercion doesn't happen between non-related adults, anyway...)

 

[Touring Mars]

ALWAY='S !!1!

 

[KSaiyu]

Wow, how intrusive.


Edit: Just realized it said obtrusive. Replace intrusive with obtrusive and my point still stands.

It's jarring. It's a gaming forum, not a beacon for the social justice movement.

LGBT movement making gay marriage legal in another country. Great, I'd sign on the dotted line for that and don't mind reading about it or seeing it on a news channel. Having the LGBT icon on the world's biggest gaming forum....erm why?

Desperate pandering over the fallout from gamergate is desperately obvious.

 

[Encyclopedia]

It's jarring. It's a gaming forum, not a beacon for the social justice movement.

LGBT movement making gay marriage legal in another country. Great, I'd sign on the dotted line for that and don't mind reading about it or seeing it on a news channel. Having the LGBT icon on the world's biggest gaming forum....erm why?

Desperate pandering over the fallout from gamergate is desperately obvious.

Because it's owner wants to. It is a private forum after all and EviLore can do whatever the hell he wants with it.

 

[KSaiyu]

Because it's owner wants to. It is a private forum after all and EviLore can do whatever the hell he wants with it.

What....like grabbing girl's arses?

Real shining example to set in the fight for equality.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Relevance?

 

[KSaiyu]

Whole movement is bunk. Still, this type of censorship should be right up your street

The original information on this was brought up on a thread in the Kotaku In Action subreddit [17].


In a thread on NeoGAF itself in 2012, Malka openly brags about groping a foreign woman. A link to said thread has since been lost, but soon after Malka’s contentious post, forum user Salvor.Hardin started a thread to discuss it [18]. As criticism for his actions piled on, Malka steadfastly defended the sexual assault he committed, including shifting the blame on the woman. He would later make light of the situation by implying he shouldn’t have confessed to it [19].


As of the time of writing (10 December 2014), Salvor.Hardin’s thread has been deleted [20], and Archive.org lists its latest archived version as from 15 October 2014. This means the thread was deleted during Gamergate, giving credence to Malka whitewashing his past misdeeds in order to fit in with social justice advocates among the anti-GG.

http://thisisvideogames.com/incsub_wiki/neogaf/

Coincidentally neo***s was one of the subreddits to be hit with the recent ban.

 

[Encyclopedia]

I still don't get what you're on about? What movement is bunk?

 

[Bo]

I have absolutely no clue what I'm reading anymore.

 

[KSaiyu]

I still don't get what you're on about? What movement is bunk?

Social justice, which infects the LGBT movement.

 

[Encyclopedia]

You're going to have to clarify what the hell you're on about.


Or someone else is going to have to come in here and help me interpret your posts.

 

[KSaiyu]

I'm saying "great, we've got equal rights for gays". Let's leave it at that and move on, but somehow I don't think it will be left at just that.

 

[Encyclopedia]

I'm saying "great, we've got equal rights for gays". Let's leave it at that and move on, but somehow I don't think it will be left at just that.

So how do you think things will go then?


And what has that got to do with Neogaf's new logo?

 

[KSaiyu]

So how do you think things will go then

A push for preferential treatment, all under the guise of "equality". See our current legislation with affirmative action policies.

And what has that got to do with Neogaf's new logo?

Just showing that the true motives for it are clear for anyone to see if they look hard enough.

 

[Encyclopedia]

A push for preferential treatment, all under the guise of "equality". See our current legislation with affirmative action policies.

I doubt it but ok.

Just showing that the true motives for it are clear for anyone to see if they look hard enough.

Let me guess, it's something like, EviLore did something wrong and innappropriate years ago so he cannot be pro gay marriage?

 

[KSaiyu]

Let me guess, it's something like, EviLore did something wrong and innappropriate years ago so he cannot be pro gay marriage?

I'm sure you can reach your own conclusion from the evidence without me having to preach. (For what its worth, no that isn't the conclusion I reached. I had to do a few years of training to form arguments based on logic necessary for entrance exams, study and my future career and in so doing was able to compete with the more accomplished posters here, some of whom are actually in the legal profession. One book that helped immensely was this)

 

[Encyclopedia]

Oh dear. Seems I'm not smart enough to comprehend what you're talking about. Damn.

 

[KSaiyu]

Mehhh that wasn't my intention - you could very easily be smarter than me. I found that debates are a very specific skill and owing to my background of attending a state school in Britain I wasn't exposed to the intricacies needed for analysing and constructing an argument. It's usually easy to tell who has gone to selective schools vs non-selective as a result. As such it led to me continually resorting to ad hominems/emotion (sorry @Danoff). It was only when I had to apply myself in preparing for higher education that I gained skills that had never been developed. It's all about unlocking potential.

Probably the best visual example is looking at this video:



Compare Giles Fraser with the rest of the panel (ironically Giles went to a fee paying school). Notice how his arguing style seems....different (he even gets his facts laughably wrong - watch from 53:20)

 

[Joel]

It's jarring, it's a gaming forum, not a beacon for the social justice movement.

Desperate pandering over the fallout from gamergate is desperately obvious.

Well...this is one of the biggest ironies of all that controversy. For years gamers have been wanting to have games considered art, but suddenly when people start applying feminist criticism to games or discussing how they treat LGBT people in the way movies have been criticized for decades, or literature and visual arts have been criticized for centuries, that's apparently pandering to SJW's and not acceptable.

I don't think it's unreasonable to talk about how LGBT people and relationships are portrayed in games. I also think you'd be surprised by what it means to treat LGBT relationships fairly in media. It doesn't mean every show will become a hugbox of feelings and sensitivity. If you've ever seen the show Trailer Park Boys you'd see what I mean, it's a show about drug dealers who live in a trailer park, and the trailer park supervisors trying to get them sent to jail.

It's by no means high brow humour but in spite of being a show about drug dealers who live in a trailer park, it's one of the more forward thinking shows on tv and handles gay characters and relationships very fairly. Gay characters in the show have genuine character development, and the fact that they're gay isn't a punchline.

That's what LGBT criticism in media is about. Gay marriage is legal but that doesn't stop tv shows having token gay characters who are just walking flamboyant stereotypes, or used for simple comic relief. I don't see why that's being overly PC to talk about that in the media we consume.

 

[Minty]

ALWAY='S !!1!

This actually just gave me a headache.

And what has that got to do with Neogaf's new logo?

Man, he's right, that is obtrusive. I was starring at the image for a good 5 minutes and still only noticed after reading your post. They've clearly gone too far.

I'm sure you can reach your own conclusion from the evidence without me having to preach. (For what its worth, no that isn't the conclusion I reached. I had to do a few years of training to form arguments based on logic necessary for entrance exams, study and my future career and in so doing was able to compete with the more accomplished posters here, some of whom are actually in the legal profession. One book that helped immensely was this)

Being good at debating and actually making a point not necessarily go hand in hand, and you do neither very well. Your non-answers are some of the most blatant question dodging this side of an EA interview, and you have yet to even state the point you were originally trying to make.

 

[KSaiyu]

Well...this is one of the biggest ironies of all that controversy. For years gamers have been wanting to have games considered art, but suddenly when people start applying feminist criticism to games or discussing how they treat LGBT people in the way movies have been criticized for decades, or literature and visual arts have been criticized for centuries, that's apparently pandering to SJW's and not acceptable.

Nothing to do with the medium. Few years before gamergate there was some big report saying children's literature was sexist and therefore enforcing gender inequality from a young age. For gaming in particular I'd argue sexism is an inherent part of it, just like it is with some authors and some directors. Remove that, and you remove their freedom of expression. It's why I believe Kojima is shoving Quiet's boobs in our faces as a big "screw you" to PC and the social justice movement.

Aaaand this is where my worry lies with the LGBT lobby. Now they'll hold people to ransom to meet quotas so it's more representative of modern society. Well I'm sorry, but Tarantino shouldn't be made to feature more lesbians because the social justice movement says so. He should instead be free to include, or not include lesbian characters, or lesbian actresses.

I don't think it's unreasonable to talk about how LGBT people and relationships are portrayed in games. I also think you'd be surprised by what it means to treat LGBT relationships fairly in media. It doesn't mean every show will become a hugbox of feelings and sensitivity. If you've ever seen the show Trailer Park Boys you'd see what I mean, it's a show about drug dealers who live in a trailer park, and the trailer park supervisors trying to get them sent to jail.

Me neither, the point was the icon. (And yes, I though Trailer Park boys was a great show from the episodes I watched. My friend thought I was the one who drinks all the time. I don't actually know who the gay characters were)

That's what LGBT criticism in media is about. Gay marriage is legal but that doesn't stop tv shows having token gay characters who are just walking flamboyant stereotypes, or used for simple comic relief. I don't see why that's being overly PC to talk about that in the media we consume.

OK....but who is going to be the next down on their luck group to fight for. Should we put pressure on producers to change the stereotype of nerdy white kids who wear glasses?

Man, he's right, that is obtrusive. I was starring at the image for a good 5 minutes and still only noticed after reading your post. They've clearly gone too far.

It's obtrusive and out of place because I'm not expecting a google doodle on the top of my go to gaming site. Can I expect one for Black History Month? How about Christopher Columbus day. What about in support of the victims of terrorist attacks?

As it stands I'm glad they did it if only to highlight the hypocrisy of it all

 

[Minty]

It's obtrusive and out of place because I'm not expecting a google doodle on the top of my go to gaming site. Can I expect one for Black History Month? How about Christopher Columbus day. What about in support of the victims of terrorist attacks?

As it stands I'm glad they did it if only to highlight the hypocrisy of it all

Do you know what obtrusive means? I mean, it seemed like you were using it correctly until you started listing other things they should also change their logo for, lest they be viewed as hypocritical for not celebrating literally every socially relevant event in exactly this way.

But to address your point, Black History Month happens every year, Columbus Day happens every year, and as sad as it is, terrorist attacks are happening increasingly often. This victory is finally brings us closer to being a truly equal nation, and it very well might effect the site owner or someone close to him personally. Marriage equality is something that has been fought for over very many years, and people have been killed due to the bigotry of others. This marks the beginning of a potential upswing for true equality in this country.



Maybe just let people celebrate what's important to them, and not be so negative about things just because they didn't also celebrate ____.