The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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I think homosexuality is:

  • a problem that needs to be cured.

    Votes: 88 6.0%

  • a sin against God/Nature.

    Votes: 145 9.8%

  • OK as long as they don't talk about it.

    Votes: 62 4.2%

  • OK for anybody.

    Votes: 416 28.2%

  • nobody's business but the people involved.

    Votes: 765 51.8%
  • Total voters
    1,476
Joey D
Nope. I believe I'm responsible for my kid and will take the time to teach him the skills so he can come to a conclusion on his own. If a teacher says something to him, that's fine, it's just another perspective that can help him get to an answer. Living in an echo chamber is also how we get dumbasses.
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I agree that it's the parent's responsibility to make sure that their kid gets an education. But I honestly don't believe I'm capable of providing a nearly sufficiently well rounded education to my kid in isolation. Without my village would I know much about transgender or gay issues?

It's practically buried in the definition. "It takes a village" to a raise a child... to... live in a village. Even if we're simply talking about education and not medicine or food or any of the other things we all use our village for, it's still kinda required for the village to teach your kid how to live in it.
 
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Danoff
I agree that it's the parent's responsibility to make sure that their kid gets an education. But I honestly don't believe I'm capable of providing a nearly sufficiently well rounded education to my kid. Without my village would I know much about transgender or gay issues?

It's practically buried in the definition. "It takes a village" to a raise a child... to... live in a village. Even if we're simply talking about education and not medicine or food or any of the other things we all use our village for, it's still kinda required for the village to teach your kid how to live in it.
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Yes! Unless you isolate your child from any contact with the outside world except their parents, that 'village' is raising them whether they like it or not. Children learn so much simply from taking in an understanding of their surroundings, the people around them, the prevailing cultural norms, the language, etc. In that aspect young kids are like sponges.

I don't think parents are even remotely equipped to teach their kids everything they'd need to know, which is why there are specialised teachers. Most parents won't know the first thing about anything lgbt in the context of questions their child might have, but I think parents have a duty to ensure their children do have access to a safe resource for that be it in schools or a trusted person if not themselves. It's simply bad parenting to fail to prepare your child for the world, and if you don't show openness to at least discussing a topic your child may not know how you feel about it or whether it's ok for them to discuss it with you. If your child is LGBT, they might not know if it's safe or not to come out if it's not framed as being absolutely ok at least at some point, because I guarantee that every single even slightly negative thing about gay people anyone in my family said stuck with me and put me off coming out.
 
Danoff
I agree that it's the parent's responsibility to make sure that their kid gets an education. But I honestly don't believe I'm capable of providing a nearly sufficiently well rounded education to my kid in isolation. Without my village would I know much about transgender or gay issues?

It's practically buried in the definition. "It takes a village" to a raise a child... to... live in a village. Even if we're simply talking about education and not medicine or food or any of the other things we all use our village for, it's still kinda required for the village to teach your kid how to live in it.
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Oh I agree, I don't think I can give my kid the most complete education on certain topics, but I still do think it's ultimately my responsibility, not the school's, to make sure he knows those topics. I think sex ed is a really good example. It might be different now, but when I was in school it was dreadfully bad and taught by a dude who even at 12 years old I thought was a pedophile (and turns out he was and even committed a mass shooting years later). I think it's fine for schools to teach kids sex ed and how sex works from a biological aspect, but I think it's my responsibility to make sure he understands it, especially when it comes to things like consent and what he's feeling is a normal part of growing up.

I think too many parents just leave it up to the schools. The education at school should be "in addition to" not "in place of".
 
Chrunch Houston
I haven't seen the movie so I can't say. If it is important to the plot, then maybe it is ok, but thinking back, none of my toys were gay.

There have always been kid's films that contained innuendos that the adults got, but went over the heads of the kids. I don't know if the gay kiss was one of those or not.
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This is the scene:



Here's the ending of Little Mermaid which contains a spoiler for Little Mermaid
straight kiss scene

Are these both acceptable to be in kid's films? Do you really think the plot is important to provide context and to make them potentially acceptable?
 
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Joey D
I think too many parents just leave it up to the schools. The education at school should be "in addition to" not "in place of".
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Speaking of education in general, I think in some cases parents take it upon themselves to intentionally cut off their child's education. The easiest example I can find is social media. Parents of our generation are scared to death of social media (perhaps rightly so), and I see a number of parents trying to block it out entirely. I see other parents leave the flood gates wide open.

It's our job to make sure our kids learn how to handle social media without permanently injuring themselves, and it's a hard job. But it can't be done by pretending it doesn't exist.

I guess this really gets to the core of conservatism vs. progressivism (I chose progressive instead of liberal because it contrasts with conservative the way I want here). Are we raising children with the tools to live in the society of tomorrow? Or are we attempting to recreate (groom) the society we lived in?
 
Scotchboy
What age is elementary school in other countries? Where I am (Scotland), primary school is age 5-11/12 and at age 10 we were taught the "ins and outs" of straight sex.
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Elementary for me was Kindergarten through sixth grade, and I turned 12 while in sixth. I don't remember precisely what age I was, but there was sexual health and hygiene education near the end of that and in Junior High, which spanned seventh and eighth grades. Penetrative intercourse wasn't covered until High School (ninth through twelveth), and even then the focus was on abstinence and disease prevention. If I had any dream recollection, I'm certain some of the imagery presented during Sex Ed. would figure prominently in my nightmares. (I'm pretty sure I do have nightmares, as I occasionally wake abruptly and with a pit in my stomach, possibly due to the appearance of inflamed, oozing genitalia.) It was the equivalent of graphic videos depicting collision aftermath that were shown in Driver's Ed., and that's fitting because the same old dude (Mr. Mason) taught both. Mind you I turned 14 in 1986 and HIV/AIDS ended up being a hot topic largely employed to discourage homosexual intercourse but also, weirdly, if you're a girl who was consuming tortilla chips immediately prior to performing fellatio on a boy who has HIV, you may contract it through a sore in the mouth caused by sharp chips, but tortilla chips are good so you should keep eating them and instead not engage in oral sex. Wild stuff.

Also my grandparents became my guardians around that time, and while they were generally really amazing people, they didn't offer much in the way of instruction. There were some really awkward chats with my grandfather, but they weren't exactly instructive.

Thankfully, my daughter got more comprehensive education at a younger age thanks to more progressive attitudes. Between schooling and home instruction that my saintly wife headed up, she was undoubtedly better equipped than if her instruction had been comparable to what I received. I also recall being presented with a permission slip to sign prior to her receiving classroom instruction surrounding sexual intercourse, with the alternative absent parental consent being referred to as "study period" and sounding suspiciously like detention.
 
My first sex ed classes were in my final year of primary school, almost 20 years ago now. I'd already talked the birds and the bees with my parents, as had a lot of my friends, so most of us knew what sex was but still didn't really understand all the mechanics of it, unless any of them had already started watching porn. I knew I was more interested in guys than girls, but didn't really understand what it meant until I went through several spells of unrequited love that began in my adolescence. We had further sex ed classes in my first year of secondary school, again taught from a purely biological perspective. Beyond that, it was hardly touched upon in PSHE (Personal, Social, Health, and Economic Education). I remember drugs and alcohol being covered a lot, and politics 101. Around the time of my GCSEs (High School Freshman and Sophomore) I remember the teacher mentioning vaginal and anal sex and a few students giggling, and homosexuality was very lightly touched upon, but only within the context of the AIDS crisis.

I don't know of any lesbians or trans people that were in my year at school. I was one of about half a dozen gay guys in the year, and was at best friendly acquaintances with them. None of them were out but everyone knew, as between them they had all the main stereotypes covered, and they've all since come out as adults. I wasn't particularly interested in being friends with them anyway as they all had exclusively female friendship groups and had stereotypically girly interests and personality traits, whereas all my friends were guys, who I was out to.

People made immature jokes around years 7 and 8 (6th and 7th Grade), that weren't meant to be malicious I don't think, often aimed at the other guys because they were more feminine, and not particularly athletically-inclined (I'm not much of a natural athlete myself; fairly good runner and swimmer, but zero technical skill in football, rugby, cricket, or tennis; but I at least always gave it my full effort. One of these guys got away with never doing PE; I think the teachers just 'gave up' on him). By the time of Sixth Form (High School Junior and Senior) pretty much everyone was cool with it. I did feel isolated in the sense that I was the only 'straight-acting' gay guy, and it doesn't help that the majority of gay icons and celebrities are themselves camp as well. This has continued since then as even at uni it was still predominantly camp gay guys on my course. I basically went back into the closet during my Master's degree and only told my closest friend. To this day, all my friends are straight guys, and it's only online, mostly because of COVID, that I've been able to interact with other gay guys that I share things in common with besides the obvious.
 
I learned about sex ed before school taught it (it was only taught to us in High School when I was going) as I hit puberty early and was freaking out until Mum gave me some books to read about it all. This is definitely more of an exception than the norm though but there will cases where the parent will have to be one to tell the child about stuff that goes on with their body instead of schools. Our school seemed to go more into details about it judging from these examples although we never touched on what it be like for people who aren't straight. So it was a bit confusing for me to finally realise I could be actually Asexual until my friend who came out as Bi a few months before brought it up when we were discussing crushes and I just didn't have any and didn't seek out any of the romantic or sexual desires.

I know someone from my year came out as Gay in the last year in school and everyone seemed to be okay with it, even the people who typically used "Gay" as a negative term for things they didn't like in earlier years. Going to High School from 2011 to 2016 is interesting admittedly because that was during a cultural shift so a lot of stuff said and believed from 2011 got 180'd in 2016
 
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RESHIRAM5
I know someone from my year came out as Gay in the last year in school and everyone seemed to be okay with it, even the people who typically used "Gay" as a negative term for things they didn't like in earlier years.
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I recall a scene or joke from somewhere about how refreshing it is that school bullies aren't homophobic anymore, and they only bully you for other deep insecurities or reasons.
 
I had suspicions about a couple of classmates. Of course I didn't hold it against them.
 
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Chrunch Houston
I am not a member of any political party
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Lol, everyone here knows full well which political party you throw your hat into.
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Chrunch Houston
I can't speak for Dave Rubin, who, in case people didn't know is a gay, married to a guy, conservative with either babies on the way, or a new father.
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And got blasted by the very people he panders to for revealing he had kids on the way. Peak Leopards Ate My Face moment.
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Chrunch Houston
But I believe he also won't allow himself to be canceled.
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Impossible. Conservatives don't believe in cancel culture.
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HenrySwanson
This is the scene:



Here's the ending of Little Mermaid which contains a spoiler for Little Mermaid
straight kiss scene

Are these both acceptable to be in kid's films? Do you really think the plot is important to provide context and to make them potentially acceptable?
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You know what? Maybe you are right. There was nothing wrong with any of those kisses.
 
Chrunch Houston
You know what? Maybe you are right. There was nothing wrong with any of those kisses.
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And yet the following are all genuine comments left on review sites before the film even came out:

  • "The need that this culture has to push gender ideology on kids is frightening,"
  • "Keep entertainment wholesome. Keep politics out of entertainment for children. They're not interested in this sort of thing and they should not be exposed to, it's unnecessary and whether or not you want to admit it or not there is a normal. How disappointing."
  • "When other countries ban a cartoon movie... you gotta wonder why. Hollywood is so determined to rewrite most human beliefs..."
  • "Can Disney stop pushing identity politics into their movies? It's kinda inappropriate to be in a kids film (especially in animation),"
  • "Stop indoctrinating our children Disney."
  • "It's a shame to see Disney turn into a bunch of groomers. They want to use these movies made for kids to indoctrinate them into the sick lgbtqrstuvwxyz community."

These are the kind of views that you have now spent days supporting and validating, and you honestly think that these people wouldn't support laws that made your sexuality illegal?

Nor is this limited to review sites, Ben (I'm an idiot) Shapiro had the following to say in regard to this:
  • "Disney works to push a 'not-at-all-secret gay agenda' ... Parents should keep that in mind before deciding whether to take their kids to see 'Lightyear,' which hits theaters this week
  • "Children are not adults, what may be appropriate for adults is not appropriate for children. That this must be said demonstrates that our society is in a state of moral collapse."
www.chron.com

Lightyear's controversial same-sex kiss is getting negative user reviews before the film is even released

The animated film, a spinoff of the "Toy Story" series, was also banned in 14 Middle...
www.chron.com www.chron.com

That's the reaction to two women kissing for a fraction of a second!

The right is not your friend and will most certainly throw the LGBTQ+ community under the bus of the right own moral panic, and if you believe anything different then I fear you are going to get a rude awakening. I already know of at least one non-binary ASD blogger who has left Texas as a result of what is happening, I'm 100% sure they are not alone in that regard.
 
Chrunch Houston
Lets see more than a screenshot to back this up. If it is true, then the guy is an idiot. Lets have some proof.
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Tree's, now you have the evidence are you going to continue to try and deflect reality?

This is deliberate and its the start of the exact same pattern they used with abortion.

Lets be clear, this approach 100% has the backing of Texas GOP, who declared you to be abnormal.


www.queerty.com

Texas GOP declares homosexuality an “abnormal lifestyle choice”

They also banned Log Cabin Republicans from having a booth at conference – a decision the group called "shameless...
www.queerty.com www.queerty.com
 
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Daniel
Took me a minute to Google it.

Article. The court document.
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I am still reading this, but I want to respond to this part.

The article says:
"The Dallas Morning News reports that Mitchell’s approach has always been dismantling decisions on the argument that the rulings stray from the Constitution’s language when it was written, as opposed to the idea that document is a “living” thing that must adapt to modern knowledge. The Supreme Court seems to be drinking the same 235-year-old Kool-Aid ."

The Constitution is NOT a living thing, by definition, it IS the unchanging Constitution. It can be changed, but that is a very hard thing to do. And it needs to be a hard thing to change.

I will continue to read the article...

Ok I got to the end, and that article just fell apart. Paxton and sodomy laws, really?

Just not buying it.
 
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Chrunch Houston
The Constitution is NOT a living thing, by definition, it IS the unchanging Constitution. It can be changed, but that is a very hard thing to do. And it needs to be a hard thing to change.
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Unless the Supreme Court wakes up with an opinion one day.
 
Chrunch Houston
I am still reading this, but I want to respond to this part.

The article says:
"The Dallas Morning News reports that Mitchell’s approach has always been dismantling decisions on the argument that the rulings stray from the Constitution’s language when it was written, as opposed to the idea that document is a “living” thing that must adapt to modern knowledge. The Supreme Court seems to be drinking the same 235-year-old Kool-Aid ."

The Constitution is NOT a living thing, by definition, it IS the unchanging Constitution. It can be changed, but that is a very hard thing to do. And it needs to be a hard thing to change.
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Washington didn't think it would last 20 years and Jefferson said any one that lasted more than 19 was no longer valid.

Seems those around at the time don't agree with you.

Chrunch Houston
I will continue to read the article...

Ok I got to the end, and that article just fell apart. Paxton and sodomy laws, really?
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So when pressed on if he would defend those protections what did he say?

Chrunch Houston
Just not buying it.
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Out of interest what will it actually take?
 

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