The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

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Okay, fine. But I never took the alien or covert astronaut tease as anything but a joke. The point - for me as an anomalist - is that there is a degree of mystery to it. I'm satisfied with the electrostatic dust devil hypothesis. But Martian dust devils are in themselves yet another anomaly remaining to be better understood and explained.:)

Dust devils aren't the only way for dust to be removed - despite having found evidence of significant cleaning events caused by dust devils you shouldn't think that that's the only method. Mars has very high wind speeds which, despite the very low atmospheric density, provide enough pressure to move/remove dust when the angle is right or (as we know) to cause additive dust storms.. No aliens, no mystery.
 
GIANT 'ELVE' APPEARS OVER EUROPE: On April 2nd, high above a thunderstorm in the Czech republic, an enormous ring of light appeared in the night sky. Using a low-light video camera, amateur astronomer Martin Popek of Nýdek photographed the 300 km-wide donut hovering near the edge of space:



"It appeared for just a split second alongside the constellation Orion" says Popek.

This is an example of an ELVE (Emissions of Light and Very Low Frequency Perturbations due to Electromagnetic Pulse Sources). First seen by cameras on the space shuttle in 1990, ELVEs appear when a pulse of electromagnetic radiation from cloud-to-ground lightning propagates up toward space and hits the base of Earth's ionosphere. A faint ring of deep-red light marks the broad 'spot' where the EMP hits.

"For this to happen, the lightning needs to be very strong--typically 150-350 kilo-Ampères," says Oscar van der Velde, a member of the Lightning Research Group at the Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya. "For comparison, normal cloud-to-ground flashes only reach 10-30 kA."

ELVEs often appear alongside red sprites, which are also sparked by strong lightning. Indeed, Popek's camera caught a cluster of sprites dancing nearby.

ELVEs are elusive--and that's an understatement. Blinking in and out of existence in only 1/1000th of a second, they are completely invisible to the human eye. For comparison, red sprites tend to last for hundredths of a second and regular lightning can scintillate for a second or more. Their brevity explains why ELVEs are a more recent discovery than other lightning-related phenomenon. Learn more about the history and physics of ELVEs here and here.
 
It's amusing see Graham Hancock, "tin-foil-hat" author of books on magic, ancient mysteries and catastrophism, being given credit for what is just now being recognized as science and history.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/d1d7a2ce-eab0-37cf-aca9-4ee71d5eb8af/ss_ancient-stone-carvings.html
Scientists now believe that approximately 13,000 years ago comet fragments struck the Earth, sparking a dramatic change in the planets climate which led to the development of farming and permanent settlements, reports the Telegraph. This new consensus among experts, which follows theories first presented in best-selling author Graham Hancock’s 2015 book Magicians of the Gods, comes after close scientific analysis of stone carvings from Turkey’s Göbekli Tepe complex.

The site, which is believed to be the world’s oldest temple site (it’s 6,000 years older than Stonehenge and dates to 9,000 B.C.), likely served as an observatory, according to Dr. Martin Sweatman, who spearheaded research on the carvings at the the University of Edinburgh’s School of Engineering. Sweatman’s team found while studying symbols carved into the temple’s pillars that depictions of animals correlate with constellations and astronomical alignments associated with a comet strike.

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Carvings at Göbekli Tepe. Wikimedia Commons
 
It's a fascinating story, here's the journal article... I haven't read it yet and I have a chicken to pluck... I'll look forward to reporting back :)

EDIT: Hancock's 2015 theories surely seem built on the works cited by Sweatman that date from (at least) the 80s... maybe the Telegraph just liked the "joke science is as good as fact" angle? ;)
I posted that journal link yesterday in the Apocalypse, Catastrophe and Disaster thread. Since we are not discussing a conspiracy anymore, could I implore you to post your thoughts on this matter in the other thread, please?
 
The CIA Coined the Term Conspiracy Theorist In 1967
That all changed in the 1960s.

Specifically, in April 1967, the CIA wrote a dispatch which coined the term “conspiracy theories” … and recommended methods for discrediting such theories. The dispatch was marked “psych” – short for “psychological operations” or disinformation – and “CS” for the CIA’s “Clandestine Services” unit.

The dispatch was produced in responses to a Freedom of Information Act request by the New York Times in 1976.

The dispatch states:



2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization.



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The aim of this dispatch is to provide material countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments.



3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the [conspiracy] question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active addresses are requested:



a. To discuss the publicity problem with and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors) , pointing out that the [official investigation of the relevant event] made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by … propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation.



b. To employ propaganda assets to and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (II) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories.



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4. In private to media discussions not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful:



a. No significant new evidence has emerged which the Commission did not consider.



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b. Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others. They tend to place more emphasis on the recollections of individual witnesses (which are less reliable and more divergent–and hence offer more hand-holds for criticism) …



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c. Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States, esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc.



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d. Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it; they also scoff at the Commission because it did not always answer every question with a flat decision one way or the other.



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f. As to charges that the Commission’s report was a rush job, it emerged three months after the deadline originally set. But to the degree that the Commission tried to speed up its reporting, this was largely due to the pressure of irresponsible speculation already appearing, in some cases coming from the same critics who, refusing to admit their errors, are now putting out new criticisms.



g. Such vague accusations as that “more than ten people have died mysteriously” can always be explained in some natural way ….



5. Where possible, counter speculation by encouraging reference to the Commission’s Report itself. Open-minded foreign readers should still be impressed by the care, thoroughness, objectivity and speed with which the Commission worked. Reviewers of other books might be encouraged to add to their account the idea that, checking back with the report itself, they found it far superior to the work of its critics

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Some completely baseless speculation from my inner nutty conspiracy theorist:

Trump will nuke California as a false flag operation to escalate things with NK, distract from his declining popularity and the Russia investigation, and melt some snowflakes. It'll be 'uuuuuge, bigger than 9/11.

Probably on 4th of July, for bonus patriotism points.

:P
 
Some completely baseless speculation from my inner nutty conspiracy theorist:

Trump will nuke California as a false flag operation to escalate things with NK, distract from his declining popularity and the Russia investigation, and melt some snowflakes. It'll be 'uuuuuge, bigger than 9/11.

Probably on 4th of July, for bonus patriotism points.

:P

That just might work if North Korea had the ability to do so, so he could frame them.
 
Apparently DC police and FBI were told to stand down from the murder investigation of Seth Rich, the DNC insider who now seems to have been the source of the Russian Wikileaks so damaging to the Clinton campaign. Murder, lies and coverup are perfectly okay, even desirable, if done for the right reasons? You bet! "A beautiful, useful or necessary lie is often preferable to an ugly truth."

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story
 
You sold a large IBM system to Hitler that was used to track a lot of Jews in the 1930s along with a lot of steel and technology that he used to build the weapons he wasn't allowed to actually build.

Is this a conspiracy theory?

No. It's something that was a completely legitimate sale by IBM - remember that nobody outside the top table knew about Hitler's real plans until the mid '40s. It's something that IBM are naturally very sensitive about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
 
NBC are under pressure to pull an Alex Jones interview (with Megyn Kelly) that covers his view that Sandy Hook was a staged event with actors.

It staggers me that anybody buys into that conspiracy theory, it really does.
I wonder whether he will claim that grieving relatives decrying the channel and big business pulling support are further proof of the conspiracy. Kelly blundered here.
 
Two new (to me) conspiracy-type theories:

Plastic Rice (BBC)

The Chinese are building man-made islands to cover the wreckage of MH370:


While this may seem like a crazy conspiracy theory.

What if china shot down MH370 over the south china sea and then started to bury the plane by making those islands?

MH370 was lose before they started to make those islands if I am not mistaken
And it wouldn't be the first time a country shot down a civilian jet and done a cover up.

As for the random debris found they could've planted it near the islands where it was found from debris that came from the crash site.
 
@TenEightyOne , Plastic rice is a conspiracy theory that crops up often out here in Asia.

Whenever someone asks me, I simply ask them to look up the wholesale price of plastic pellets (unfinished, rice-sized but nowhere near rice-like) and rice. :D As mentioned in the article, it's actually more expensive to make rice out of plastic than to make rice out of rice.
 
@TenEightyOne , Plastic rice is a conspiracy theory that crops up often out here in Asia.

Whenever someone asks me, I simply ask them to look up the wholesale price of plastic pellets (unfinished, rice-sized but nowhere near rice-like) and rice. :D As mentioned in the article, it's actually more expensive to make rice out of plastic than to make rice out of rice.

They had to switch to plastic rice after the chemtrail program was exposed.
 
The Chinese are building man-made islands to cover the wreckage of MH370:
Nearly right, but it's in Taklamakan.

No need to make islands when you have thousands of square miles of inhospitable desert guarded by the military to safely land it and hide it while you do whatever you need to do to the passengers that prompted you to take it in the first place and the rest of the passengers/plane to make sure it's never found.
 
Quite frankly I'm not sure whether to put it here or some type of 'complain-of-your-day-thread', but yesterday a co-worker of mine decided to drop a rather questionable theory regarding the Nazi concentration camp gas chambers in the otherwise regular Monday morning conversation.

In short the idea was that the use of gas chambers was physically impossible due the lack of dedicated gas removal system in some blueprints means that the people sent to remove the bodies from the chambers would also be exposed to the gas along with anyone in the area surround the chamber door.

Now, I highly doubt that anyone with reasonable amount of sense is buying this, but I still thought of sharing it simply because of the sheer fact someone apparently thinks talking about mass genocides is a good way to start a week.
 
Quite frankly I'm not sure whether to put it here or some type of 'complain-of-your-day-thread', but yesterday a co-worker of mine decided to drop a rather questionable theory regarding the Nazi concentration camp gas chambers in the otherwise regular Monday morning conversation.

In short the idea was that the use of gas chambers was physically impossible due the lack of dedicated gas removal system in some blueprints means that the people sent to remove the bodies from the chambers would also be exposed to the gas along with anyone in the area surround the chamber door.

Now, I highly doubt that anyone with reasonable amount of sense is buying this, but I still thought of sharing it simply because of the sheer fact someone apparently thinks talking about mass genocides is a good way to start a week.

This site has some good rebuttals of denial theory and some interesting links: http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-06.html.
 
Flat Earth conference now on. BBC. May contain nuts.

The thing about the flat earth 'hypothesis' is that even if you humour yourself and try to accept it as true, where are the photographs of the edge?

It can't be flat and stretch for infinity.
 
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