The Matrix Trilogy Explained
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Exactly, this is just excellent! How do you know all this stuff?
If you know about the backgrounds just a little bit, watching the trilogy is so much better. I guess I'll have to watch it all again.
If you know about the backgrounds just a little bit, watching the trilogy is so much better. I guess I'll have to watch it all again.
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Very very very impressive Anderton, I never looked beneath the surface of Revolutions, I guess I should start, I have lots of questions and comments to make but can't think of any at this moment its been a long time since I've watched the Matrix films but I will watch them soon and I'll be back... For now just a thought at what point do you think Neo's realises/accepts he is the One, to me it was the point (my favourite part) at the subway showdown with Smith at the end when Smith keeps calling Neo, Mr Anderson and Neo says my name is Neo and jumps out of the moving trains path
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Hey Ive been reading pretty much all the posts here.. im not much of a post type of guy, but id just like to say that your pretty smart about this movie and answered my questions. I do hope that they create a 4th movie, i heard some where that the Merovingian is someone who was just like neo, someone who was also "the one" ? , it was pretty complicating. i believe at some point he said he has survived neo's predecessors? what did he mean by that? also how do you know so much about Hinduism and pretty much everything that this movie entails? are you some sort of teacher or something like that ? Just wondering... its okay if you don't want to answer! 
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I've heard that too can't remember from where or I think its from when Persephone tells Neo that Merovingian once was like him or she could just simply mean that he was in love like Neo is with Trinity.
I'm amazed that this thread is still around. I've been meaning to return to the trilogy maybe I will dust off my old 10 dvd set. It was all very interesting stuff Anderton. Might have some more questions once I've watched them again
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I read every post here and I'd like to make a movement to now rename Anderton to this thread's official Oracle.
I started reading this post because I just finished seeing Revolutions for the dozenth time and the whole Sati character always had me baffled. I didn't really see the train station scene having much significance until now!
I'd say the one thing that does not make sense in the whole series, and will not have an answer simply because there is no technical one, is this: why would machines use humans as a power source? If you understand the fact that humans require "power" to grow and sustain themselves, you'll see that although we might be able to produce bioelectricity, it would be an inefficient system. We ultimately lose energy as we live, through heat for example. To keep a human alive to harvest off of their own produced power, the machines would have to feed them a healthy diet. In order to obtain sustenance from a scorched world, the only incoming source of energy in the world would have to be the sun (which was not giving the world energy anyway as UV rays were blocked off by storms). No plants means no animals, we saw neither in all three movies. No animals means no source of protein or diet.
Morpheus says during the movie that they are fed liquefied human remains, but that would only keep one human alive for so long. If eating a dead human (assuming the conversion was optimized for efficiency) would keep one person alive for their entire lifetime, then it would be safe to assume that the human population was sustainable. However, if one human lives out their lifetime in one of the pods, feeding bioelectricity to the machines, then it would have to take many bodies to be used for one person.
This kinda leads to one more point on why humans are inefficient. In the Matrix, people died as normal, living their lives out in the dream world. But when one died at an early age, the human in real life, sustained in a pod, would have to die too wouldn't it? It seems very inefficient (especially for a machine) to allow the system to have variables that allowed them to do that. It would make much more sense from a logical machine's style of thinking to keep us each in our own contained dream worlds where we lived to a standard age of say, 50 years. If we even had a dream world at all. The human mind doesn't need consciousness to produce bioelectricity and heat if it is being sustained in a pod.
I started reading this post because I just finished seeing Revolutions for the dozenth time and the whole Sati character always had me baffled. I didn't really see the train station scene having much significance until now!
I'd say the one thing that does not make sense in the whole series, and will not have an answer simply because there is no technical one, is this: why would machines use humans as a power source? If you understand the fact that humans require "power" to grow and sustain themselves, you'll see that although we might be able to produce bioelectricity, it would be an inefficient system. We ultimately lose energy as we live, through heat for example. To keep a human alive to harvest off of their own produced power, the machines would have to feed them a healthy diet. In order to obtain sustenance from a scorched world, the only incoming source of energy in the world would have to be the sun (which was not giving the world energy anyway as UV rays were blocked off by storms). No plants means no animals, we saw neither in all three movies. No animals means no source of protein or diet.
Morpheus says during the movie that they are fed liquefied human remains, but that would only keep one human alive for so long. If eating a dead human (assuming the conversion was optimized for efficiency) would keep one person alive for their entire lifetime, then it would be safe to assume that the human population was sustainable. However, if one human lives out their lifetime in one of the pods, feeding bioelectricity to the machines, then it would have to take many bodies to be used for one person.
This kinda leads to one more point on why humans are inefficient. In the Matrix, people died as normal, living their lives out in the dream world. But when one died at an early age, the human in real life, sustained in a pod, would have to die too wouldn't it? It seems very inefficient (especially for a machine) to allow the system to have variables that allowed them to do that. It would make much more sense from a logical machine's style of thinking to keep us each in our own contained dream worlds where we lived to a standard age of say, 50 years. If we even had a dream world at all. The human mind doesn't need consciousness to produce bioelectricity and heat if it is being sustained in a pod.
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I was also wondering, is the Keymaster from Reloaded meant to represent anything or was he just a plot device?
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@ABP - It's not one human in-one human out. If you think like in the real world where there is an ever-growing population regardless of premature death, then you can see that the amount of new humans/energy sources compared to discarded sources is ever increasing in power output.
Also, while it says that new humans are fed the remains of dead humans intravenously, it does not say that is the only way that the bodies are fed.
Also, while it says that new humans are fed the remains of dead humans intravenously, it does not say that is the only way that the bodies are fed.
Ok, I am a big fan of The Matrix Trilogy, and watched it for more then 20 times, half of it for fighting scenes, being the martial arts fan, and Wing Chun Kung Fu practitioner, and, half of that was in slow-motion, to see how realistic they did choreography, and how much of it is applicable. I know, I'm a geek for it, as for this kind of clever movies.
But the other half was for the story, philosophy, suggestions, connections to the real word issues of controlling people, and basically, what the writers of this story wanted to say, and more importantly, what questions they wanted to raise in the viewers minds.
So, I tried to find and read every explanation that I could find about it, once I decided that I could not get more conclusions from my own, with lack of proper previous knowledge, limited brain. The explanation that starts with words "Neo is a machine, kinda..." gave pretty much a lot of clarification of what I got by myself, with Cookies and Candies being updates to the "Neo program" from The Oracle, being something that I oversaw, among other things, like yellow glow of the machines...
Now, what I got from it from the start is the main theme of CONTROL of somebody (people in The Matrix) by someone (machines) for some purpose (getting electricity, actually, POWER), and how it connects to the real world, not the one in the trilogy, but the one we live in, and how people on power, meaning the ones who have greater knowledge of how the world functions, control us, us that do not have the same knowledge, for whatever reason that they might have for controlling and using us.
Mainly by drawing a connection from Neo to Jesus, and other messiahs, and how the religions in a real world try to give us some comfort in surrendering to the suffering of this world, for there is going to be a place for us in Heaven, but that that is just another form of control, so we wouldn't try to fight and find answers to what is wrong with this world by ourselves, if there is something wrong at all.
Now, here, on this forum, the thing about Sati, and the Mobile station, was new for me, and I haven't got that, and no one mentioned it anywhere before.
But it is not that important for what I want to bring to the table, and maybe clarify something for anyone who still cares about this trilogy and what writers wanted to say, which I also never saw anywhere else explained or maybe even mentioned.
It came from another deeply thoughtful and confusing movie, for most people, called "Revolver", made by Guy Ritchie in 2005, which I haven't seen until a few days ago.
I have spent 6 hours watching it for the first time, rewinding some scenes for probably 10-15 times, taking notes, and maybe double that time thinking about the "Ego", and thoughts, and how the stories that were told to us, and experiences that happened to us, gave us a self-image of ourselves, that we carry on to every moment in our lives, and how motivated we are by preserving that self-image to do things, or react in a some way that is not actually our own choice, but already predetermined by the self-image that we have about us, and what we think that we should do or what should happened to us if we are what we believe to be. Be it based on our upbringing, religion, nationality, sexual preference, working profession, hobbies, philosophy, laws, our own thoughts and opinions of experiences that we witnessed, our dreams or anything else from our past or future.
And how that self-image is actually a prison created by our own mind, and keeps us inside that prison so we would not be free to do whatever we want, without any constraints that we imposed to ourselves. Rings a little bell, doesn't it?
And how Our Ego is the biggest enemy that we have, and how it hides behind our fears. Fear of loss of values that we perceive as such. Be it our life, wealth, health, love, heat, clothes, pride, knowledge, understanding, or anything else that we value.
The scene in the elevator, a closed space for a guy who spent 7 years in a solitary, is the example that shows how the fight, or conversation with his ego looks like.
For more blatant example, if you, for some reason, want to jump up the stairs for 5 steps at once, you risk breaking your leg, or arm, or nose, you have fear for your health, you want to do it but the inner voice of your Ego tells you to drop it, you are going to get hurt. And you listen to it, because you trust him, he is with you for a long time, kept you healthy for the most time. You might succeed, but is it really wort it your health? Or you may just tell him to go **** himself, and jump. What you will actually do, depends on what kind of self-image you created for yourself by that moment, and how badly you want to jump up. Choice is yours, but actually, it isn't. Depends how much you want to risk. Or how much you are ready to move the border of your limited self-image. Could you jump 5, or only 4 steps up?
Watching the movie, and thinking about what it tries to say, immediately made me think of The Matrix Trilogy, and how the story in The Trilogy was actually about how the Ego controls us, and make us do things that we do. The whole Trilogy is actually a story of how Ego is created, and is being created by our thoughts, or stories that someone, or maybe even we alone, told to ourselves. And how we don't choose to do things, but we have already chose it, we just now need to understand why we did.
For example,
Tomas A. Anderson is The Ego No.1 of Neo character, serves for broad public of "the matrix world", is a software programmer, and is afraid of loosing his job if he gets caught with pirated software, or when he gets late for his job. We believe in it, so is he.
Neo, inside "the matrix world" is The Ego No.2, a hacker, that thinks something is wrong with this world, and is in search of finding out the truth. We believe in it, so is he.
Neo, in the "real world" of The Matrix, is The Ego No.3, he is a messiah, lives in the artificial womb, with his brain stuck inside the matrix, and has potential of freeing people of the "real world" of war with machines. Everyone on the Morpheus's crew believes in it, and told him that, act that way, so he now believes it to. We believe it to, by the end of The Matrix.
Neo in the "real world" of The Reloaded is The Ego No.4, program/human that is guided by The Oracle to do what the machines needs him to do, control the population of Zion to not try to fight machines, but wait on Neo to save them. And he believes it, so are Morpheus and others, and us to.
Now, the questions of purpose and choice are the ones that go back and forth throughout
the whole Trilogy in conversation between Neo, Smith, The Oracle and The Architect. Neo's purpose, or direction of where he is going, or what he chooses to do, is motivated by his Ego, the self-image that he has of himself. And that self-image is created by his Ego, his mind, with lot of help from the stories that he has been told by Morpheus, The Oracle, The Architect, Smith, Merovingian..., and of course, supported with his experiences in or out of The Matrix.
The main thing is that he is programmed from the day of his birth and on, to do things that he does, by the guidance of The Oracle, images that he sees, stories that he is been told and experience that he had.
The same thing works for Smith, his purpose is to destroy Neo, so he tries to all the time, but he can't do it, because he can't beat The One by default, before The One gets to the source, or at all, depending on how The One is made powerful or Smith made weak by The Oracle in the beginning. Point being, Smith was never created to destroy Neo, but to create the illusion of a threat, kind of motivation for Neo to mature enough and develop his powers to get to the source.
The whole story about The Ego, as I have understand it, is to live in the now, not in past or in the future, and whenever we do something based on our past, we do it by looking at the self-image created by all the stories we have heard, or experiences that we had, and draw our motives and decisions from it. The same works for motives that we draw from the future that we imagined for us, so we make decisions based on that image also. And that could be the whole talk about Neo already has been made a choice, only he is there to understand his motives for those choices that he already has made.
Now, Neo did chose to go through the door to The Matrix, and saving Trinity over saving Zion population, but that also wasn't his choice. All those Cookies and Candies, and guidance from Oracle made him change his mind. Trinity also fell in love in Neo because of the guidance of The Oracle, she told her her love is going to be The One, she told Morpheus that Neo is going to be The One, or at least that he will find The One, she told Neo he has a talent, but he awaits for something, but also a second later, that they are lost without Morpheus. That manipulative bitch! She told him to go to the source, and that he may or may not trust her now, but also that they, machines and humans must get to the end of the war together.
Now this is where the Ego thing gets in. Ego, they say hides behind pain, or fear of pain. You can catch him in the act by confronting your fears, by stopping running from them.
In The Reloaded, as in Revolver in the elevator scene, this fight with the Ego is shown when Neo visits The Architect, hears what actually is going on and starts to yell and threatens and curse, then accepts what is, and moves on. Same with the fight with Smith in the end of Revolution (Revolution-Revolver, cute, isn't it?), Neo accepts that he needs to let Smith fulfill his purpose and kills Neo, so he can get to the source for a deletion. And before also, when he is told that he is inside The Matrix, that he is The One, then that he kinda isn't, then again he is, then isn't again. He fights, then accepts, and then move on.
There are numerous scenes in Revolver that reminded me of The Matrix Trilogy. Like the one where they talk about how your biggest enemy, your Ego, or your mind, is hiding in a place where you least expect it to be, in your head, that it poses as your best friend, that gives you value, and you trust it for years, you invest huge amount of time in it to be formed, but when someone tries to destroy your Ego in order to save you, you are so involved with your Ego, that you can't accept it to be the truth, so you will protect your Ego with your life, and kill the one that tries to free you, in order to save your Ego, your actual enemy. This one resembles so much to the apology of Morpheus in The Matrix to Neo, when he said that they do not free someone from the matrix that is past certain age, because they are so involved into their self-image that they can't take the truth. And also to training program where he said that everybody is the enemy, because they try to preserve themselves. It is just explanation of other peoples Egos, trying to preserve themselves, hiding from the acceptance of the truth, of what is, here and now, and letting go of the past that you knew for a minute or for years, or the future that hasn't came yet.
The main thing about the Revolver movie story is that we are slaves to our Ego, we think about what happened, or what will happen, and live in regret, anger, shame, nervousness, depression, or in fear of those, or any other negative emotion, basically suffering, only because of our self-image that we have, and how certain things that happened to us affected that image, god or bad, or how some things will affect that image in the future. It poses the theory that all the suffering and all crimes are made by the Ego, and our attachment to it, of not being able of letting past and future go.
Combine that with the "Fight or Flight" reflex, or should I say "Fight or Flight or Freeze or Faint like you are dead or **** your pants like you are dead for a longer period" reflex, and you have a huge amount of suffering in one place, spreading like a virus.
What I am trying to say is, The Matrix Trilogy gave us a lot to think about, both on plot story and how it's philosophy can be used for our own good, the Revolver gives us something to more deeply understand The Trilogy, but also gives us philosophy that can also be used for our greater good. The writers of both movies did something great, gave us powerful tools for awaking our conscience, to get to better "Know Ourselves", and packed it into great action movies to be incredibly entertaining for us while we try to get the right message out of it.
If you have anything that passed by me or think that I didn't got right please comment, it will be welcomed.
Cheers!
But the other half was for the story, philosophy, suggestions, connections to the real word issues of controlling people, and basically, what the writers of this story wanted to say, and more importantly, what questions they wanted to raise in the viewers minds.
So, I tried to find and read every explanation that I could find about it, once I decided that I could not get more conclusions from my own, with lack of proper previous knowledge, limited brain. The explanation that starts with words "Neo is a machine, kinda..." gave pretty much a lot of clarification of what I got by myself, with Cookies and Candies being updates to the "Neo program" from The Oracle, being something that I oversaw, among other things, like yellow glow of the machines...
Now, what I got from it from the start is the main theme of CONTROL of somebody (people in The Matrix) by someone (machines) for some purpose (getting electricity, actually, POWER), and how it connects to the real world, not the one in the trilogy, but the one we live in, and how people on power, meaning the ones who have greater knowledge of how the world functions, control us, us that do not have the same knowledge, for whatever reason that they might have for controlling and using us.
Mainly by drawing a connection from Neo to Jesus, and other messiahs, and how the religions in a real world try to give us some comfort in surrendering to the suffering of this world, for there is going to be a place for us in Heaven, but that that is just another form of control, so we wouldn't try to fight and find answers to what is wrong with this world by ourselves, if there is something wrong at all.
Now, here, on this forum, the thing about Sati, and the Mobile station, was new for me, and I haven't got that, and no one mentioned it anywhere before.
But it is not that important for what I want to bring to the table, and maybe clarify something for anyone who still cares about this trilogy and what writers wanted to say, which I also never saw anywhere else explained or maybe even mentioned.
It came from another deeply thoughtful and confusing movie, for most people, called "Revolver", made by Guy Ritchie in 2005, which I haven't seen until a few days ago.
I have spent 6 hours watching it for the first time, rewinding some scenes for probably 10-15 times, taking notes, and maybe double that time thinking about the "Ego", and thoughts, and how the stories that were told to us, and experiences that happened to us, gave us a self-image of ourselves, that we carry on to every moment in our lives, and how motivated we are by preserving that self-image to do things, or react in a some way that is not actually our own choice, but already predetermined by the self-image that we have about us, and what we think that we should do or what should happened to us if we are what we believe to be. Be it based on our upbringing, religion, nationality, sexual preference, working profession, hobbies, philosophy, laws, our own thoughts and opinions of experiences that we witnessed, our dreams or anything else from our past or future.
And how that self-image is actually a prison created by our own mind, and keeps us inside that prison so we would not be free to do whatever we want, without any constraints that we imposed to ourselves. Rings a little bell, doesn't it?
And how Our Ego is the biggest enemy that we have, and how it hides behind our fears. Fear of loss of values that we perceive as such. Be it our life, wealth, health, love, heat, clothes, pride, knowledge, understanding, or anything else that we value.
The scene in the elevator, a closed space for a guy who spent 7 years in a solitary, is the example that shows how the fight, or conversation with his ego looks like.
For more blatant example, if you, for some reason, want to jump up the stairs for 5 steps at once, you risk breaking your leg, or arm, or nose, you have fear for your health, you want to do it but the inner voice of your Ego tells you to drop it, you are going to get hurt. And you listen to it, because you trust him, he is with you for a long time, kept you healthy for the most time. You might succeed, but is it really wort it your health? Or you may just tell him to go **** himself, and jump. What you will actually do, depends on what kind of self-image you created for yourself by that moment, and how badly you want to jump up. Choice is yours, but actually, it isn't. Depends how much you want to risk. Or how much you are ready to move the border of your limited self-image. Could you jump 5, or only 4 steps up?
Watching the movie, and thinking about what it tries to say, immediately made me think of The Matrix Trilogy, and how the story in The Trilogy was actually about how the Ego controls us, and make us do things that we do. The whole Trilogy is actually a story of how Ego is created, and is being created by our thoughts, or stories that someone, or maybe even we alone, told to ourselves. And how we don't choose to do things, but we have already chose it, we just now need to understand why we did.
For example,
Tomas A. Anderson is The Ego No.1 of Neo character, serves for broad public of "the matrix world", is a software programmer, and is afraid of loosing his job if he gets caught with pirated software, or when he gets late for his job. We believe in it, so is he.
Neo, inside "the matrix world" is The Ego No.2, a hacker, that thinks something is wrong with this world, and is in search of finding out the truth. We believe in it, so is he.
Neo, in the "real world" of The Matrix, is The Ego No.3, he is a messiah, lives in the artificial womb, with his brain stuck inside the matrix, and has potential of freeing people of the "real world" of war with machines. Everyone on the Morpheus's crew believes in it, and told him that, act that way, so he now believes it to. We believe it to, by the end of The Matrix.
Neo in the "real world" of The Reloaded is The Ego No.4, program/human that is guided by The Oracle to do what the machines needs him to do, control the population of Zion to not try to fight machines, but wait on Neo to save them. And he believes it, so are Morpheus and others, and us to.
Now, the questions of purpose and choice are the ones that go back and forth throughout
the whole Trilogy in conversation between Neo, Smith, The Oracle and The Architect. Neo's purpose, or direction of where he is going, or what he chooses to do, is motivated by his Ego, the self-image that he has of himself. And that self-image is created by his Ego, his mind, with lot of help from the stories that he has been told by Morpheus, The Oracle, The Architect, Smith, Merovingian..., and of course, supported with his experiences in or out of The Matrix.
The main thing is that he is programmed from the day of his birth and on, to do things that he does, by the guidance of The Oracle, images that he sees, stories that he is been told and experience that he had.
The same thing works for Smith, his purpose is to destroy Neo, so he tries to all the time, but he can't do it, because he can't beat The One by default, before The One gets to the source, or at all, depending on how The One is made powerful or Smith made weak by The Oracle in the beginning. Point being, Smith was never created to destroy Neo, but to create the illusion of a threat, kind of motivation for Neo to mature enough and develop his powers to get to the source.
The whole story about The Ego, as I have understand it, is to live in the now, not in past or in the future, and whenever we do something based on our past, we do it by looking at the self-image created by all the stories we have heard, or experiences that we had, and draw our motives and decisions from it. The same works for motives that we draw from the future that we imagined for us, so we make decisions based on that image also. And that could be the whole talk about Neo already has been made a choice, only he is there to understand his motives for those choices that he already has made.
Now, Neo did chose to go through the door to The Matrix, and saving Trinity over saving Zion population, but that also wasn't his choice. All those Cookies and Candies, and guidance from Oracle made him change his mind. Trinity also fell in love in Neo because of the guidance of The Oracle, she told her her love is going to be The One, she told Morpheus that Neo is going to be The One, or at least that he will find The One, she told Neo he has a talent, but he awaits for something, but also a second later, that they are lost without Morpheus. That manipulative bitch! She told him to go to the source, and that he may or may not trust her now, but also that they, machines and humans must get to the end of the war together.
Now this is where the Ego thing gets in. Ego, they say hides behind pain, or fear of pain. You can catch him in the act by confronting your fears, by stopping running from them.
In The Reloaded, as in Revolver in the elevator scene, this fight with the Ego is shown when Neo visits The Architect, hears what actually is going on and starts to yell and threatens and curse, then accepts what is, and moves on. Same with the fight with Smith in the end of Revolution (Revolution-Revolver, cute, isn't it?), Neo accepts that he needs to let Smith fulfill his purpose and kills Neo, so he can get to the source for a deletion. And before also, when he is told that he is inside The Matrix, that he is The One, then that he kinda isn't, then again he is, then isn't again. He fights, then accepts, and then move on.
There are numerous scenes in Revolver that reminded me of The Matrix Trilogy. Like the one where they talk about how your biggest enemy, your Ego, or your mind, is hiding in a place where you least expect it to be, in your head, that it poses as your best friend, that gives you value, and you trust it for years, you invest huge amount of time in it to be formed, but when someone tries to destroy your Ego in order to save you, you are so involved with your Ego, that you can't accept it to be the truth, so you will protect your Ego with your life, and kill the one that tries to free you, in order to save your Ego, your actual enemy. This one resembles so much to the apology of Morpheus in The Matrix to Neo, when he said that they do not free someone from the matrix that is past certain age, because they are so involved into their self-image that they can't take the truth. And also to training program where he said that everybody is the enemy, because they try to preserve themselves. It is just explanation of other peoples Egos, trying to preserve themselves, hiding from the acceptance of the truth, of what is, here and now, and letting go of the past that you knew for a minute or for years, or the future that hasn't came yet.
The main thing about the Revolver movie story is that we are slaves to our Ego, we think about what happened, or what will happen, and live in regret, anger, shame, nervousness, depression, or in fear of those, or any other negative emotion, basically suffering, only because of our self-image that we have, and how certain things that happened to us affected that image, god or bad, or how some things will affect that image in the future. It poses the theory that all the suffering and all crimes are made by the Ego, and our attachment to it, of not being able of letting past and future go.
Combine that with the "Fight or Flight" reflex, or should I say "Fight or Flight or Freeze or Faint like you are dead or **** your pants like you are dead for a longer period" reflex, and you have a huge amount of suffering in one place, spreading like a virus.
What I am trying to say is, The Matrix Trilogy gave us a lot to think about, both on plot story and how it's philosophy can be used for our own good, the Revolver gives us something to more deeply understand The Trilogy, but also gives us philosophy that can also be used for our greater good. The writers of both movies did something great, gave us powerful tools for awaking our conscience, to get to better "Know Ourselves", and packed it into great action movies to be incredibly entertaining for us while we try to get the right message out of it.
If you have anything that passed by me or think that I didn't got right please comment, it will be welcomed.
Cheers!
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I'm not saying you're wrong Mili, but I think you're going deeper than I like to go with the movie - especially given that you're using another movie (which I have not seen) written by different people to re-interpret the matrix. I'd prefer to know for sure that they intended that message before reading that in.
What I do know for sure is that the matrix was highly metaphysical in nature, taking on the concepts of free will, fate, choice, purpose, causality as well as creating a bridge for those technical folks who do not understand religion to understand it, while exploring the nature of religion and how it pertains to reality.
We understand how neo can be a messiah for those people in the matrix, how he can bend and distort the controls of the system because it is a reality that is built with flaws. We're then asked to consider our own reality and its similarities with the matrix (how do we know we're not in the matrix afterall). And why can't our reality also have someone who bends the rules to achieve a greater purpose... and isn't that the basis of religion?
There are other deep messages about how people who do not necessarily agree with the system they live in can still be agents of the system by not separating themselves from it. Complacency is a form of support. Something I think that rings true of most voters in America, and which the writers of the matrix further touched on in V for Vendetta.
There is a lot to be found in those movies for sure, and you may have found yet another layer of meaning, but I'm not sure you're not just reading something in that you want to see. I'd have to watch and understand Revolver to know.
What I do know for sure is that the matrix was highly metaphysical in nature, taking on the concepts of free will, fate, choice, purpose, causality as well as creating a bridge for those technical folks who do not understand religion to understand it, while exploring the nature of religion and how it pertains to reality.
We understand how neo can be a messiah for those people in the matrix, how he can bend and distort the controls of the system because it is a reality that is built with flaws. We're then asked to consider our own reality and its similarities with the matrix (how do we know we're not in the matrix afterall). And why can't our reality also have someone who bends the rules to achieve a greater purpose... and isn't that the basis of religion?
There are other deep messages about how people who do not necessarily agree with the system they live in can still be agents of the system by not separating themselves from it. Complacency is a form of support. Something I think that rings true of most voters in America, and which the writers of the matrix further touched on in V for Vendetta.
There is a lot to be found in those movies for sure, and you may have found yet another layer of meaning, but I'm not sure you're not just reading something in that you want to see. I'd have to watch and understand Revolver to know.
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