the new BMW Z9 ?

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$100K does sound a little steep for the base model. I could see it starting below $60K. I am really only interested in the rumored V-10s and V-12s. I'm really not seeing a hole for this to fill. 300 hp would put it just above the Z4, and around the 3 coupes. With the V-10, it might be around the M6. All i can think of is that this will lack the amenities of 6 and 3, to reduce weight to make a different car. I can see a BMW targeting the 599, but I would question any success.
 
...Well, lets make this a bit easier with photos, shall we?

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So, what it comes down to is that BMW wants to revisit the Z8 albeit with Bangalized styling, and what will probably contain a lot of pieces from the 5/6-series chassis. I personally loved the Z8, and this prototype looks pretty good even with all the crap tacked to it. Lets hope they include plenty of the BMW driving traits associated with the 3-series, tone down the computer involvement as much as possible, and keep the prices within range.

...As we all know, going up against the SL is nearly impossible on some occasions, and the only new drop-top that has ever come "close" has indeed been the Jaguar XK. Even then, the SL is arguably the best drop-top big-buck sports car you can buy, and BMW will have to work awfully hard to top it...
 
Ugh. Excuse me while I supress my gag reflex.


YSSMAN, you're saying that BMW wants a new Z8. Well, IMHO, they can try all they want. With BMW's current state of styling and computer gadgetry, they will never get close. I've seen a Z8 in person a number of times, and it is one of the best, if not the best styling I've ever seen on a modern BMW. Very low, wide, and fairly short with massive wheels that come about 75% up the bodyline... This looks to be quite dissimilar. Too tall of a body, narrow and long with tiny little wheels. And, unlike this, the Z8 had styling that was unique from the rest of the BMW lineup when it was produced.
 
$100K does sound a little steep for the base model. I could see it starting below $60K. I am really only interested in the rumored V-10s and V-12s.

The only valid engine this car could receive is a V12. The V8's pitch it too hard against either the 645/650 or the Z4M (in regards to output, at least). The V10 is directly against the M6 (especially at that price). What BMW could benefit from is a true DB9 competitor, thus the V12. Modify the 6.0L V12 with some of the tech from the M6's V10, and I could see a 550HP+ V12 quite easily. 👍


Now they just have to work on that bodywork. :yuck:
 
I've seen a Z8 in person a number of times, and it is one of the best, if not the best styling I've ever seen on a modern BMW.

I wouldn't be the only one in the automotive world that would argue that not only is it one the best BMW designs of recent years, but one of the best designs overall. It is aboslutely gorgeous.

The problem with flame-surfacing design is that it was fresh 5 years ago and progressed BMWs design to amazing new levels, but the actual design idea has now been overused and isn't so fresh anymore. Even those pictures with the disguised car, the lines are fairly distinguishable and are disappointingly familiar.

Bangle's ideas were really progressive, for instance you have to agree that Flame-surfacing has brought BMW's wheel design to entirely new heights, but it appears to be a dead-end styling theme. Let's see something new.
 
The problem with the Z8 however was in the overall execution of the car. Sure, it looked great both inside and out, but as Clarkson loves to point out, it was a mess despite the fact that it had everything going for it. All of the M5-based internals should have made it one helluva ride, and despite that, it just didn't live up to expectations.

I know I'd love to have one based on looks alone. I had the privalage to sit in one, and thats about it. I've love to fire one up for a drive, but that is pretty unlikely given the overall rarity of the car here in America. It will probably remain one of my favorite BMWs, right along side the 850 and the E36 M3...
 
It is probably the only car I've ever considered to be exempt from actually having to be good for me to love. I wouldn't want to take my beautiful sculpture on a white-knuckle thrashing anyways, so I wouldn't ever notice it wasn't that great.
 
Does the M6 already go against at least the lower line SLs? They are a bit similar in weight and luxury. To go against the likes of the SL65, they would have to throw luxury items at this, and that would drive weight up and kill the car. If they want a SL65 competitor, they should make the M6 a little more powerful. I hope this car is light and powerful, more like a supercar. A v-12 would be best. They can avoid making a M6 rival by making the car light.
 
I suppose that the 6-series is supposed to be the direct-response to the SL in the BMW lineup currently, however I've always thought of the 6-series against the CLK myself (yes, I know its a slightly smaller car...).
 
I suppose that the 6-series is supposed to be the direct-response to the SL in the BMW lineup currently, however I've always thought of the 6-series against the CLK myself (yes, I know its a slightly smaller car...).

the CLK is always compared to the 3 series coupe , the 6 series I feel slots between the merc SL and Merc CL
 
Yeah, I know thats how it works out in "real-life." However in this situation, I reject your reality, and substitute my own...

The CLK is probably too small and is missing a few ponnies to be able to play with the M6 anyway. Mercedes SL it is then, which IMO is the better car, even with the astronomical price difference. But hey, when you're buying cars that are powered by the Gods themselves (SL550 = Thor, SL600 = Odin, SL63 = Zeus, SL65 = LORD/YHWH), you should expect to pay the extra money for Earth-shaking power...
 
I just remembered this , I got in insider descreption last year from BMW like a small magazine thing , the thing was suppose only to be given to BMW sales men ..ect , and it was comparing some cars to the M6 , the CL was there the SL wasn't so I think BMW see them self competing against the CL .

I think the new "Z9" would slot perfectly against the SL.
 
I suppose the CL comparison would work too, however that car seems to be massive by comparison to the 6-series. Either way, what it all comes down to is money in most cases, and chances are that a M6 will be hard to beat when you have "only" $100K USD to match it with at the local Mercedes dealer. In that case, I'll just buy the CLS63 and have a better looking car...

...And yes, I'd agree the Z9 would go great against the SL. Now lets hope BMW does it "right" this time...
 
...More spy shots...

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LLN.com
While previous spy shots of a new BMW roadster prototype didn't give us a good idea of its size, a new round of photos seem to confirm the vehicle is indeed BMW's new Z9 — a competitor to the Mercedes SL-Class. Despite its disguise, one can recognize the rather long hood suggesting a front engine and rear drive. It's also clear this is no BMW Z4.

A spiritual successor to the BMW Z8, the new Z9 roadster will probably be priced above the 6-Series. Once the new sports car hits the market, it will meet a large number of serious competitors. Among them the just launched Audi R8, a possible Mercedes AMG gullwing, the new Lexus LF-A, and Acura NSX.

The prototype's canvas top is fake, hiding a a retractable metal roof beneath. A variety of six- and eight-cylinder models could be offered, with a range-topping Z9 M receiving either a 500 horsepower V10, or 600 horsepower V12.

All of the different shots make me even more excited about the car. I'm eager to see what she looks like without the covers, as it appears to be hinting towards a pretty sexy shape overall...
 
Am I the only person with a dislike for the Z8 styling?

The Z4 still attracts my eye when I see one go past, it's just such a muscular looking machine. If the Z9 can have the same effect, but be different aswell it should be a great looker.
 
No, the Z8 was not too thrilling. If BMW wanted to build a CL competitor, would they make an M8 (based on 7 series) or something? After all, that is what the CL is, a coupe of the S-class. The SL looks to be closer to the size of an E, or even smaller. This car does make sense going up against those new sports cars coming out in a few years.

A side note: Does anyone else find it funny that SL stands for "sport light," yet it weighs two and a half tons? It is one of the heaviest cars that can be considered to be built for "sport."
 
^ Thats the word now...

LLN.com
Earlier photos of another camouflaged roadster prototype have sparked quite a debate within the spy community as to whether the model we’re seeing here is the next generation Z4, or a totally new roadster dubbed, by most, as the Z9 -though it could be called Z6.

Pictures of the prototype that were published in January were taken in Munich, and had a fabric — or fabric camo — roof while the one were seeing here has a solid retractable hardtop. If it’s really the Z9 (or Z6, if you prefer) then we have a future successor to the retro-styled BMW Z8 and a possible competitor to the Mercedes SL.

Still, spies, analysts and other experts are still confused as to which model this is. Both sides have strong points, even though the camouflaged roadster that we’re seeing is obviously much larger than the Z4.

Some sources are still saying that the next-generation Z4 will be doing a bit of “growing up” to make room for an entry-level 1-series-based roadster dubbed Z2.

On the other hand, noticing the side window covers and the folding metal roof, we’re very sure that we’re seeing the Z9, as we highly doubt that the next-gen Z4 will be fitted with an electric hard-top.

In addition, unnamed industry sources attending the Chicago Auto Show today have all but confirmed that this is no Z4!

We’re still uncertain about the name, but we are sure that BMW will be giving the SL a run for its
 
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