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I hate that they put stripes that are meant to flow down into the weird hood design or the red outlining the overly large grille. These ridge sections as result of the grille, just bug me every time I see this car.
I wish they would just minimize the grille & smooth out the hood to something more traditional.
I wish they would just minimize the grille & smooth out the hood to something more traditional.
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Same here.
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Not moving goal posts or anything, as those times mean nothing to me. If we’re comparing such times, as far as three box coupes go, the M4 is still faster than a NISMO GT-R. M4 is about 90kgs lighter than the NISMO with similar power figures.
Aren’t the 911s some 200kgs lighter? Has someone added that weight and tried those times again? Just saying.
Aren’t the 911s some 200kgs lighter? Has someone added that weight and tried those times again? Just saying.
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The Nismo GT-R did a 7.08,7 back in 2014. With 8 year older tire technology, a 15 year old base and more weight (1735 kg) it was also 7 sec faster than the CSL today.
Weight difference between the 991 GT3 and the CSL aren't 200 kg, more in the area of a 100 kg: 1510 kg vs. 1625 kg while the CSL has way more power, especially torque du to the NA engine in the 911: 510 HP / 470Nm vs. 550 hp / 650 Nm.
18 years ago the E46 CSL did 7.50 min. Pretty sure that would be a 7.30 on todays tires and the changes to the track, maybe even faster.
I still say Ouch. Also it doesn't really matter since you just can't buy the CSL with it's 1000 cars limitation. Coming with this limitation i'm sure I won't see many of them during the tourist drives on the Nordschleife while 992 GT3s are already very present this year.
Weight difference between the 991 GT3 and the CSL aren't 200 kg, more in the area of a 100 kg: 1510 kg vs. 1625 kg while the CSL has way more power, especially torque du to the NA engine in the 911: 510 HP / 470Nm vs. 550 hp / 650 Nm.
18 years ago the E46 CSL did 7.50 min. Pretty sure that would be a 7.30 on todays tires and the changes to the track, maybe even faster.
I still say Ouch. Also it doesn't really matter since you just can't buy the CSL with it's 1000 cars limitation. Coming with this limitation i'm sure I won't see many of them during the tourist drives on the Nordschleife while 992 GT3s are already very present this year.
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503-HP BMW M3 Touring Combines Practicality and Performance
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Manual and RWD would've been cool but I guess they just wouldn't sell well enough to have so many homologation runs for different specs to justify the costs. With the X-drive nowadays with 100% RWD mode there is a RWD option. It's just heavier than it could be but I guess even with a manual and without AWD it would be in the 1800 kg range.
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Only available in M3 Comp xDrive form, no manual.503-HP BMW M3 Touring Combines Practicality and Performance
The awesome new wagon version of the M3 is slightly heavier than the sedan but has the same twin-turbo inline-six and all-wheel drive with a drift mode.www.caranddriver.com
Sorry for you that it won't be available in US again since there are no 3 series Touring available and the homologation for only the M3 would be too expensive with the suggested low sales figures for the Touring. Was explained in a (german) video I just watched.
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I saw an M3 driving up in the lane next to me a few days ago. Yep, the grille looked hideous.
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I've seen 3 of the M4 coupes so far and still can't warm up to the grill. I really don't get it, why do people like styling cues like this?
and no, I'm not buying the excuse of BMW using the grills for extra cooling.
and no, I'm not buying the excuse of BMW using the grills for extra cooling.
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I haven't seen it up close in person, but I can't imagine it looking better. I've seen it about twice now, once coming my way and this one driving from behind.
It's one of those things that actually looks worse in person than in pictures.
It's one of those things that actually looks worse in person than in pictures.
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BMW M4 CSL vs. Porsche 992 GT3 (non-RS) from german Sport Auto. Seems the points scheme saves the CSL in the end. Getting only 1 point more beeing close to 3 seconds faster in Hockenheim or beeing close to 3 KM/H faster in the slalom while receiving the same 20 points just doesn't do justice for the GT3. The GT3 RS could be faster and receiving the same points soon when 25 are the maximum for laptime or 20 for the slalom. Sport Auto does calibrate their points scheme every few years to keep up with the better performance and just be able to differentiate it. Seems like it is time again for this calibration.
*little note. The same 992 GT3 presscar in this test was tested by Sport Auto in the spring of 2021 and already did a 1.45,8 on cooler temperatures in Hockenheim (10°C asphalt and 8°C air)
*little note. The same 992 GT3 presscar in this test was tested by Sport Auto in the spring of 2021 and already did a 1.45,8 on cooler temperatures in Hockenheim (10°C asphalt and 8°C air)
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I don't agree with these ratings, I would say for the Porsche being nearly 3 seconds faster around Hockenheim than the M4 is enough for at least one more point.
With that said, I would have the Porsche more. The 992 may have frog eyes, but I rather look at the frog eyed car than the pig nose car.
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Just business as usual for a German magazine, if BMW is losing a comparison they'll either give points that don't reflect the results or come up with an entirely new category that can be used. Years ago I used to read AutoBild and it was the same thing in every test - even against other German brands. If Audi and Mercedes were sweeping the floor with BMW in everything that was measurable, and it wasn't exactly a rare occurrence, some surprise such as "balance of the looks" was utilized with an up to 20% share of the final points, and BMW invariably got ten points while the others got four or five.
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