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So in a few days, we will have a new President. Any thoughts?
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The voting hasn't finished yet. The counting of ballots will start in 3 hours. That's 5PM here.
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Sorry for double post.
Philippine Election 2016 Livestream ABS-CBN/DZMM News. Its in Filipino Language so its kinda useles but maybe some people want to see what's happening.
Philippine Election 2016 Livestream ABS-CBN/DZMM News. Its in Filipino Language so its kinda useles but maybe some people want to see what's happening.
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Duterte is leading by 4 million votes and Marcos for Vice President is leading by 2 million votes. Pacquiao is at 10th place for Senatorial race out of 12th positions needed.
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The era of social media is upon us.
Instead of the internet uplifting the discourse of politics, it has reduced voters to the lowest common denominator.
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Duterte is certainly not going to be the worst president we have ever had (those who I personally know who personally know him can attest to his being an upright public servant, despite his fascist slant), but that Marcos has managed to use social media and memes to engage in mass historical revisionism is perhaps the most worrying thing to come out of this process.
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How much credibility would you say there is in the rumours flying around Duterte about his vigilantism and other nefarious activities? I know you're not an expert but I'm assuming you understand the language and culture better than most of us here so I'd like to hear your perspective, if you're willing to share. Same for any of the other Filipino members. I have talked to a Filipino friend who has lived in Canada for 30 years and she says she doesn't follow politics but did say some things about Duterte that I'd like to get confirmation on.
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Sorry to butt in but some people here really needs to "go". From the petty thief to the corrupt officials to the Abu Sayyaf and militants. Duterte is the man for the job. I'm kinda excited to see him humiliate corrupt officials live on TV like he used to do in Davao City.
Senator Grace Poe concedes and congratulated Mayor Rodrigo Duterte for leading the votes. 12:07AM Philippine Standard Time
I really don't understand the international media branding Duterte as Trump of the East and the next dictator...
Senator Grace Poe concedes and congratulated Mayor Rodrigo Duterte for leading the votes. 12:07AM Philippine Standard Time
I really don't understand the international media branding Duterte as Trump of the East and the next dictator...
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Cynics will immediately assume that only opposition officials will get humiliated ...
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I know a guy who asked him point-blank.
He said he was "disappointed in him".
Told his daughter to take him out to the shed...
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...to show him his motorcycles. His collection of vintage motorcycles that he keeps in a knocked-together shed that he built himself out of scrap, because he didn't want to accept offers by rich friends to build him one.
He wears the same, old clothing day-in and day-out. He does wear a nice watch, but that's it. He drives around the city in an old taxi, checking how the police are doing, what the streets are like. He sometimes participates in police action, and is apparently a very good hostage negotiator.
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On the other hand, he's about as traditional a politician as you can get. He's an admitted womanizer. He's got a political dynasty going in Davao. His daughter is the current mayor of the city. His son is the vice mayor. He's been allied, at times, to many of the same people he's fighting against in the election.
He also supports (unofficially) the Davao Death Squad, whose victims are mostly criminals, yes, but of the petty variety, common street thugs, low-level pushers and runners, and a number of under-age drug runners and even innocent people who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
People claim Davao is the most crime-free city in the Philippines. Statistics don't back it up. The drug trade that he promises to eliminate is still active in Davao. Crimes still happen. Davao is, however, one of the biggest cities with the least per-capita crimes over the past several years.
Except, of course, murder and homicide. It ranks as one of the worst in the country in that regard.
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There are a lot of people behind him thinking "eggs and omelettes"
Duterte has not said much about corruption in his speeches. His whole schtick is basically crime, crime, crime. That he will eliminate it in six months.
Duterte is most like Trump in that he is quite inconsistent in his pronouncements. First he isn't running. Then he is. First he asks people to vote for Binay over Roxas. Then he calls Binay a thief. He says he will support (Vice Presidential Candidate) Marcos, then turns around and tells people to vote for his VP candidate, Cayetano.
In the past, he's declared a comedian persona non grata for saying that the girls of Davao are "hipon" (shrimp - local slang for sexy girls who are ugly - uh... like shrimp, you eat the tail and throw away the head), that was before the rape joke ("she was so beautiful, and they lined up to take turns at her. I wanted to say: Wait, Mayor first!" - in regards to a missionary killed by bandits)
He's belittled his opponent, Roxas, absurdly stating that an Undergraduate Degree from the Wharton School of Economics doesn't make one a Wharton Graduate (an idiotic assertion that his adoring fans have swallowed hook, line and sinker). He's insulted the Pope. He swears in his speeches. He makes misogynistic remarks about his female opponents. When his daughter defended him on his rape joke by saying she was raped, he said she was lying.
He's told diplomats to shut up, and has insulted other countries. He has promised to take a jetski out to the Spratley Islands to plant a flag there in defiance of China. But he's also said he's willing to concede the claim to China if they build him roads and a railway.
He's promised to become a dictator, to abolish Congress if they carry out impeachment complaints against him, but he's also stated that he's a friend of the left, even going so far as to encourage people to pay "revolutionary tax" to the Communist New People's Army, and offering to enter into negotiations with them (these are the guys who have never come to the table, not even when the Islamic rebels did... because they don't want land or autonomy, they simply want to overthrow the government).
Duterte, the man, may be an excellent administrator and as non-corrupt as you can get in a Banana Republic like this, but as a public speaker and statesman, he's inconsistent, uncouth and wildly unpredictable.
Exactly like Trump. Granted, he's actually been a mayor, with a proven public service record, but his campaign has been very Trump-ish.
People want change? Well, they're going to get it. I'm just not sure they understand what kind of change they're actually going to get.
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I don't want to twist his words but I believe crime is the same thing as corruption.
Crime fighting is a national effort. If the national government fails to fight crime on the national level then all he can do in his city is just to keep it at bay.
Thank you for elaborating. He's Trumpish alright minus the public service. I know the sentiments of the people that he's not a decent person to be our president because of his personality. But that's who he is. That's his private thing. Me? I just focus on his political will and toughness. I believe that we the people are the threat to democracy. We give democracy a bad name. Since we got our freedom in '86 we just do whatever we want. Most Filipinos don't have discipline. And that's what preventing us to really have a progress in our country. Its sad because we are very hard working people but the government is stealing what we worked hard for. And that's where Duterte's toughness come in. To deal with the corruption in the government that crippling us for decades now.
Funny I was watching the livestream of the election and reporters in ABSCBN is interviewing a muslim attorney from Commision on Human Rights about Bangsamoro and etc. When asked about why the Abu Sayyaf won't talk for peace, he told the reporters that that's their role. They were created by the government and the CIA through a general who is a triple agent (who also a spy for NPA if I heard correctly) to destabilize the peace talks in Mindanao. The reporters were stunned and tried to cut what he was saying but the attorney finished his piece and the reporters failed. Before the interview ended, he dropped another bomb and told that the military did some of the famous bombings in the Philippines. It kinda confirmed what my former teacher/employer said. That the Abu Sayyaf was created by the government to play war games. His high ranking military cousin in ISAF told him that. But that doesn't prove anything though.
Sorry for the slow chat as I'm having difficulty putting my thoughts in English.
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Corruption is a a subset of crime, but they are not equal. Duterte's big push has always been against street crime. He was once offered the position of national crime czar, but he turned it down.
And the issue here is that while he has been tough on street thugs, the major syndicates still operate in the background. What he can do against these people given complete power over the National Police remains to be seen.
He isn't known as a crusader against corruption. Not in the same way that Miriam Defensor Santiago was. He has the tools in place to do it. The current administration leaves a Commission on Audit that is stronger than ever before, and an Ombudsman and Supreme Court that actually go after big names in government. As long as he doesn't tear down all that work, reforms will go on as needed.
As for 1986. Funny you should mention that. Duterte is a loyalist who openly idolizes FM, and has promised to allow for Marcos to be buried with military honors. It's not for nothing that Marcos' heir is currently tied for the lead for VP. A lot of people are voting a Duterte-Marcos ticket.
And yet, our economy is progressing. A whole lot of young people have suddenly elevated to lower and upper middle class, thanks to economic progress, and we're in the middle of a housing and automotive market boom. Sure, it's partially fueled by low interest rates, but we haven't had to stoop to the same insane rates as the US to get there. Traffic is increasing exponentially, we've now got elevated highways going to the airports, we've finally (just within this administration) expanded airport capacity with NAIA Terminal 3, we've finally gotten out of that godawful Private-public partnership with the Light Rail developer, and can perhaps save money and improve that service, construction on the long-delayed provincial bus terminals is starting, as well as the new north-south connector highway and extra light rail lines, and purchasing and appropriations in government are cleaner than they have been in decades.
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People who think no progress has been made, who think that there are no economic opportunities for people under this government are sorely deluded. Of course economic growth isn't "equitable". It will never be so. If you want a job in this new economy, GO WHERE THE FREAKING JOBS ARE. Retrain. Refocus. Get frigging paid.
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In the end, Duterte might do some good. He might do some bad. He definitely isn't the person you want attending diplomatic functions (I hope to Dog he appoints a good Foreign Affairs Secretary), and his stance on China, Australia and the US is woefully questionable, but c'est la vie. Only time will tell what will happen to this country.
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Can't be further from the truth.
To some degree, I would probably blame the media for the way progress has been portrayed, but it's the mindset of the masses that's to blame for this; unless the people themselves are able to feel and benefit from the projects that have brought on progress, they'll vehemently refuse to acknowledge it. It's been that way for years, people judge an administration based on how it has impacted their individual lives, and not on society as a whole, people judge economic progress as the reduction of prices of goods, foreign business establishments are looked upon as people looking to take advantage of the government, clearly looking past at the best thing they have to offer: job opportunities.
The Aquino administration is far from perfect, nor ideal, but it was enough to let the Philippines continue its progress.
Duterte will definitely be controversial, and his will probably be the most tumultuous first year in any Philippine presidency, but even though I wanted MDS to be president, I am still interested to see what changes Digong will bring, and if the Filipino people are actually ready for that change they so wanted to get.
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If memory serves me right. Duterte said that crime is the root of corruption. I think he said drugs not crime...
There's no denying that the administration has done a very good job. I actually felt it. But now that the economy is doing good I think we should focus on other things now. We are a democratic country. The votes are telling there are other problems that need to be solved and the people call for Duterte to do the job.
Yeah...We really need some dose of iron fist. People jaywalking in front of traffic enforcers? 🤬
*cough* rallyists *cough* lazy people *cough*
There's no denying that the administration has done a very good job. I actually felt it. But now that the economy is doing good I think we should focus on other things now. We are a democratic country. The votes are telling there are other problems that need to be solved and the people call for Duterte to do the job.
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Just saw it just now on ABSCBN. In the Vice Presidential Race, the Marcos camp is accusing the Rebredo camp of cheating. Allegedly they caught the vote counts, live on TV, subtracted 35,000 votes from Escudero while Rebredo gained 1 million votes and got ahead of Marcos in just an hour. From 4AM-5AM. It looks like they're saying while most people is still sleeping, someone cheated them and transferred votes from other candidates to Rebredo.
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GMA released a statement this afternoon apologizing for a typographical error in their display of the vote counts of Escudero, which made it look like Chiz got a vote decrease.
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Rappler's vote count is archived over the entire night. I was watching it. No problems there.
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The stats people were already pointing at a Robredo win before May 9. Whichever of the two win, it will be very close.
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As for 86: People carp about crime all the time. I've been around the block. I remember when murder-rape cases were front page news on a weekly (or greater) basis. I remember when illegal street races were held with impunity in Greenhills (during the Marcos era and early Cory era), and when they moved to Eastwood (Ramos era and later).
I remember when violent carnappings and kidnappings were a bi-weekly event.
Crime isn't abolished, but things are more orderly now. The only way to engage in illegal racing nowadays is to head way out into the provinces where the police can't see you. Carnapping syndicates are no longer as powerful. Corruption and kickbacks are more difficult to come by than before.
Now? The biggest scandal the black propagandists can muster up is bullets planted by pickpockets in the bags of old ladies at the airport. Not a new thing, but when it became a media scandal, it was pretty obvious that many of the cases were manufactured for political purposes.
We've had a lot of progress in the past decade. It's rather daft of people to start screaming now about a crime epidemic requiring the fascist hand of The Punisher to stamp it out, right when things are starting to get better.
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But that's what you get when the social compass of the people is social media. Elections won by memes, fake news sites and paid propagandists. At the very least, at leas the man we've elected is an honest man. A what-you-see-is-what-you-get kind of man.
Let's just see where we go from here.
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The stats people were already pointing at a Robredo win before May 9. Whichever of the two win, it will be very close.
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As for 86: People carp about crime all the time. I've been around the block. I remember when murder-rape cases were front page news on a weekly (or greater) basis. I remember when illegal street races were held with impunity in Greenhills (during the Marcos era and early Cory era), and when they moved to Eastwood (Ramos era and later).
I remember when violent carnappings and kidnappings were a bi-weekly event.
Crime isn't abolished, but things are more orderly now. The only way to engage in illegal racing nowadays is to head way out into the provinces where the police can't see you. Carnapping syndicates are no longer as powerful. Corruption and kickbacks are more difficult to come by than before.
Now? The biggest scandal the black propagandists can muster up is bullets planted by pickpockets in the bags of old ladies at the airport. Not a new thing, but when it became a media scandal, it was pretty obvious that many of the cases were manufactured for political purposes.
We've had a lot of progress in the past decade. It's rather daft of people to start screaming now about a crime epidemic requiring the fascist hand of The Punisher to stamp it out, right when things are starting to get better.
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But that's what you get when the social compass of the people is social media. Elections won by memes, fake news sites and paid propagandists. At the very least, at leas the man we've elected is an honest man. A what-you-see-is-what-you-get kind of man.
Let's just see where we go from here.
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So there are talks/rumors of Duterte adapting his Liquor Ban, Curfew for Minors and Videoke Curfew in Davao City to the whole country but that's to be expected
-Curfew for Minors already exists in the Metro. In our area its from 10PM-4AM but not enforced. That's good.
-Videoke Curfew is also a good thing. Noisy neighbors can only sing up to 12AM (?).
-Liquor Ban. We can only buy liquor up to 12AM (?). Though I'm just an occasional drinker, I don't like this. As we know most Filipinos like to drink after work. But I think commercial areas are exempted as the spokesperson said that there are bars and clubs in Davao selling liquor at night but closely observed by the police.
But that's up to the lawmakers and his advisors I guess...
As for the Marcos-Rebredo issue. The Marcos camp accused that someone tampered the computers and injected a new command to the server blah blah blah... I smell desperation in the air.
-Curfew for Minors already exists in the Metro. In our area its from 10PM-4AM but not enforced. That's good.
-Videoke Curfew is also a good thing. Noisy neighbors can only sing up to 12AM (?).
-Liquor Ban. We can only buy liquor up to 12AM (?). Though I'm just an occasional drinker, I don't like this. As we know most Filipinos like to drink after work. But I think commercial areas are exempted as the spokesperson said that there are bars and clubs in Davao selling liquor at night but closely observed by the police.
But that's up to the lawmakers and his advisors I guess...
As for the Marcos-Rebredo issue. The Marcos camp accused that someone tampered the computers and injected a new command to the server blah blah blah... I smell desperation in the air.
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Philippines and Beijing await court ruling over South China Sea dispute.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36767252
Oh 🤬....
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36767252
Oh 🤬....
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Sorry for double post.
Philippines wins South China Sea case against China
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/12/philippines-wins-south-china-sea-case-against-china
Now the question is what will Pro-China President Duterte do with the ruling?
Philippines wins South China Sea case against China
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/12/philippines-wins-south-china-sea-case-against-china
Now the question is what will Pro-China President Duterte do with the ruling?
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Never knew he was.
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The good:
Appointed an environmentalist to the Environmental Department. She's been going nuts auditing mining firms and shutting down those that aren't compliant with regulations (most of them just pay off the inspectors).
Appointed a Cabinet from a very diverse group of political parties and affiliations. Kept true to his word to try and include everyone.
Forcing local government units to clean up their acts, literally. Keep people off the streets at night. Collect garbage, etcetera.
Cleaning up some of the small issues that previous administrations never bothered to fix. Allowing regular taxis at the airports. Reducing bullets in luggage from a criminal offense to a simple confiscation (a regular scam down here is extorting money from people by planting a few bullets in their luggage and threatening to arrest them for carrying ammunition).
The bad:
Appointing friends and classmates to Cabinet positions. Attempting to appoint a campaign supporter to an elected position in one government commission.
Boycotted media. Completely.
Black propaganda psy-ops still ongoing online. Whether it's personally funded under him or by Ferdinand Marcos Junior, I don't know, but word from back during the campaign period is that it's Marcos money.
The "war on drugs" seems a lot of smoke and mirrors. Drug gangs are using it as an excuse to rub out rivals. Police are using it as an excuse to rub out stool pigeons. And a lot of people on the "suspect lists" are just that... suspects, but not ones who are active in the drug trade or actual drug pushers... a lot of people's lives have been ruined because they were outed on these lists...
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It will be interesting to see what civil rights cases come out of this "war" by the end of the year. Sadly, you can't sue government agencies for libel.
But goddamnit, you should be able to.
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This just in. The former college classmate of my gf's brother got arrested on the street without arrest warrant etc. The story is the "classmate" was walking to get a ride to work when he noticed a woman riding on a motorcycle following him. He just ignored her when she suddenly shouted "He's the one! He looks like him!" Shocked, the classmate said "What?!" He got arrested and thrown in police car where the police told him that he's the drug dealer they're looking for because he, take note, "looks like him". He then tried to call her manager for help but no one's answering so he just pretended talking to her. Then the police interrupted him, impolitely, by asking if he's phone is really his. So he showed the photos of his graduation in the PICC. The police then asked for an I.D. and he showed that he's a Psychometrician and his PRC license. Then to cops suddenly changed their attitude toward the victim and said sorry for the "inconvenience" because "he" looks like the suspect they were looking for. Though the other cop still insisted that he's guilty of selling drugs and just pretending. The police released him also that day. Now the victim is traumatized by the incident and refuse to go outside of his home fearing someone would gun him down because he's on the "list" suspected drug dealers. I know that Duterte's intention is good for the country but this need to stop now. Its very clear that most of the police are just making up stories to impress their superiors for promotion or to silence their assets in fear of being linked to the drug trade. Duterte should personally investigate the killings and should not wait for the CHR or the Senate because if anyone should know the law, its him. A lawyer, a former Mayor, a former Congressman, and now the President.
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@ULTRAVIOLENZZ - damn.
Permission to share?
Permission to share?
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Yes please share. I was also told that there are bystanders that captured the incident. Maybe its circling the social media or youtube now.
Please tell everyone of this modus.
I seriously believe that if he wasn't able to produce enough info about his identity then he would have been killed right there in the car. And the police will just say their usual script to the media. And the media should stop glorifying these kinds of actions and have it investigated by themselves.
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Done.
Sadly, it isn't all that unique a story. There are so many stories coming out of summary executions and mistaken identities... and some people are so inured to the violence that whenever a shooting happens, even if it is by criminals and not the police, the first response is: "The guy was probably a drug dealer".
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And Duterte doesn't do anything about this. Its sad because the people right now has the highest trust on him. This may cause his downfall in the long run. He should have cleaned the PNP and AFP and the Government first. And focus on the economy so that the people won't rely on criminality because of poverty. Then launch the war on drugs and criminality to clean the remaining mess but with "due process".
Did you notice that its the PNP who is the praning in this war instead of the actual addicts?
Did you notice that its the PNP who is the praning in this war instead of the actual addicts?
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