The real car count in Gran Turismo 6

[Conza]

1267 models from my perspective is plainly a bloated number, which has very little meaning.

I wanted to find this out in GT5, and the subject has gone off for me in GT6, but considering how much better the tools are now in and out of game, I'm going to try and crack this.

This OP will be updated before it's finished.

Duplicates: I'm going to put a list of the duplicate cars, citing what I think is the 'quint-essential' example of each model, then putting a count next to that car for how many times its duplicated in some tiny variation, which could be removed, and will be discounted from the total of 1267.

I'm open to anyone posting replies with exceptions to my list, stating something isn't a duplicate, or a manufacturer which has a duplicate I haven't listed.

1267 - 203 Duplicates = 1064 Unique models (so far)
Make - A-Z

Abarth: 3 Unique Models

AC Cars: 1 Unique Model

Acura: 10 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Acura CL 3.2 Type-S '03 - 1 Duplicate ('01)

AEM: 1 Unique Model

Alfa Romeo: 17 Unique Models

Alpine: 5 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Alpine A110 1600S '72 - 1 Duplicate ('73)

Amuse: 6 Unique Models

Art Morrison: 1 Unique Model

Aston Martin: 7 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Aston Martin DB9 Coupe '09 - 1 Duplicate ('03)

Audi: 39 Unique Models

Autobacs: 4 Unique Models

Autobianchi: 1 Unique Model

Ayrton Senna: 3 Unique Models

Bentley: 1 Unique Model

BLITZ: 2 Unique Models

BMW: 29 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
BMW M5 '05 - 1 Duplicate ('08)

Bugatti: 2 Unique Models

Buick: 2 Unique Models

Cadillac: 2 Unique Models

Callaway: 1 Unique Model

Caterham: 1 Unique Model

Chaparral: 3 Unique Models

Chevrolet: 35 Unique Models, 14 Duplicate Models
Chevrolet 2013 Tony Stewart #14 Bass Pro Shops CHEVROLET SS - 14 Duplicates (14 Extra)

Chrysler: 4 Unique Models

Citroen: 11 Unique Models

Cizeta: 2 Unique Models

Daihatsu: 11 Unique Models, 5 Duplicate Models
Diahatsu Copen Detachable Top '02 - 1 Duplicate (Active Top '02)
Diahatsu MIRA TR-XX Avanzato R '97 - 1 Duplicate (Cuore TR-XX Avanzato R (J) '97)
Daihatsu STORIA CX 2WD '98 - 1 Duplicate (J)
Daihatsu STORIA CX 4WD '98 - 1 Duplicate (J)
Daihatsu STORIA X4 '00 - 1 Duplicate (J)

DeltaWing: 2 Unique Models

DMC: 1 Unique Model

Dodge: 4 Unique Models

Dome: 1 Unique Model

Eagle: 1 Unique Model

Ferrari: 16 Unique Models

Fiat: 9 Unique Models

Fisker: 1 Unique Model

Ford: 29 Unique Models, 6 Duplicate Models
Ford GT '05 - 1 Duplicate ('06)
Ford 2013 Carl Edwards #99 Fastenal FORD FUSION - 5 Duplicates (5 Extra)

Ford AU: 1 Unique Model

Gillet: 1 Unique Model

Ginetta: 0 Models

Gran Turismo: 17 Unique Models

Grand Touring Garage: 1 Unique Model

High End Performance: 1 Unique Model

HKS: 2 Unique Models

Holden: 2 Unique Models

Hommell: 1 Unique Model

Honda: 81 Unique Models, 29 Duplicates
Honda Accord Type R '00 - 1 Duplicate ('02)
Honda BEAT '91 - 2 Duplicates (F Version and Z Version)
Honda Civic SiR-II (EG) '91 - 3 Duplicates ('92, '93 and '95)
Honda Civic Type R (EK) '97 - 1 Duplicate ('98)
Honda Civic Type R (EP) '01 - 2 Duplicates ('04, (EP, EU) '01)
Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '99 - 1 Duplicate ('98)
Honda NSX '90 - 2 Duplicates ('93, '95)
Honda NSX '97 - 1 Duplicates ('99)
Honda NSX Type S '99 - 1 Duplicate ('97)
Honda NSX Type S Zero '97 - 1 Duplicates ('99)
Honda S2000 '99 - 5 Duplicates ( '01, (EU), (EU) '01, (US), (US) '01 )
Honda S2000 '03 - 2 Duplicates ( (EU) '03, (US) '04)
Honda S2000 Type V '00 - 5 Duplicates ('01, (EU), (EU) '01, (US), (US) '01)

HPA Motorsports: 2 Unique Models

Hudson: 1 Unique Model

Hyundai: 9 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Hyundai Tuscani '01 - 1 Duplicate (Tiburon GT '01)

Infiniti: 7 Unique Models

Isuzu: 4 Unique Models

Jaguar: 13 Unique Models

Jay Leno: 2 Unique Models

Jenson: 0 Models

KTM: 3 Unique Models

Lamborghini: 12 Unique Models

Lancia: 6 Unique Models

Land Rover: 2 Unique Models

Lexus: 24 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Lexus SC 430 (EU) '01 - 1 Duplicate ( (US) )

Light Car Company: 1 Unique Model

Lister: 1 Unique Model

Lotus: 21 Unique Models

Marcos: 1 Unique Model

Maserati: 1 Unique Model

Mazda: 58 Unique Models, 44 Duplicates
Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) '00 - 1 Duplicate ('98)
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02 - 1 Duplicate (Type RZ (FD) '00)
Mazda RX-7 Type RS-R (FD) '97 - 2 Duplicates (efini RX-7 Type RS (FD) '96, Type RS (FD, J) '96)
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD,J) '96 - 1 Duplicate (efini)
Mazda RX-7 Type R-S (FD,J) '95 - 3 Duplicate (efini, efini '93, '93)
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '95 - 1 Duplicate (efini (FD) )
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '93 - 1 Duplicate (efini (FD) )
Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD) '91 - 1 Duplicate (efini)
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '92 - 1 Duplicate (efini)
Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 - 1 Duplicate ('03)
Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC) '90 - 1 Duplicate ( (FC, J) )
Mazda RX-7 GT-LIMITED (FC, J) '85 - 1 Duplicate (SAVANNA)
Mazda Mazda6 5-door '03 - 1 Duplicate (Atenza Sports 23Z)
Mazda Protégé '02 - 1 Duplicate (Familia Sedan Sport 20)
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04 - 2 Duplicates (Roadster (NB), Miata)
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '00 - 2 Duplicates (Roadster (NB), Miata)
Mazda MX-5 1.8 RS (NB, J) '00 - 2 Duplicates (Roadster (NB), Miata)
Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95 - 3 Duplicates (Eunos Roadster SR-Limied (NA) '97, Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA) '93, Miata)
Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special Type I (NA) '95 - 2 Duplicates (J-Limited II (NA) '93, VR-Limited (NA) '95)
Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97 - 7 Duplicates ( (Miata) J-Limited II (NA, J) '93, (Miata) VR-Limited (NA, J) '95, (Miata) V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93 Miata)
Mazda 11 OS (L10B) '68 - 1 Duplicate (Cosmo Sport)
Mazda MX-5 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04 - 2 Duplicates (Miata, Roadster)
Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89 - 4 Duplicates ( (Miata) MX-5 (NA) '89, (Miata) J-Limited (NA) '91)
Mazda 2 '03 - 1 Duplicate (DEMIO SPORT)
Mazda 11 OS (L10A) '67 - 1 Duplicate (Cosmo Sport)

McLaren - 5 Unique Models

Mercedes-Benz - 27 Unique Models

Mercury - 1 Unique Model

MG: 2 Unique Models

Mine's - 2 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate Model
Mine's BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R N1 base '06 - 1 Duplicate (V*spec)

Mini: 9 Unique Models

Mitsubishi - 52 Unique Models, 22 Duplicate Models
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '95 - 3 Duplicates (GTO Twin Turbo ('96), '96)
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (J) '98 - 4 Duplicates (Turbo, GTO Twin Turbo (MR '95), '96, MR (J) '95)
Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '98 - 1 Duplicate (GTO Twin Turbo)
Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '96 - 5 Duplicates ( (GTO) SR (J) ('96), '96)
Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '98 - 2 Duplicates (GTO SR, SR)
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. EDITION '00 - 3 Duplicates ('99, '98, Special Color Pack )
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI RS T.M. EDITION - 1 Duplicate ('99)
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '99 - 2 Duplicates ('97, '94)
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R '99 - 1 Duplicate ('97)

Monster Sport: 2 Unique Models

Mugen - 1 Unique Model

NISMO - 7 Unique Models

Nissan - 115 Unique Models, 38 Duplicate Models
Nissan 300ZX 2by2 (Z32) '98 - 1 Duplicate (Fairlady Z Version R TwinTurbo)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-spec II Nur (R34) '02 - 3 Duplicates ('99, M-spec '01, '00 )
Nissan 350Z Roadster (Z33, EU) '03 - 2 Duplicates (Fairlady, US)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-spec N1 (R34) '99 - 3 Duplicates (Special Color Midnight Purple '99 ('00), II '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-spec (R33) '97 - 4 Duplicates (LM Limited '96, '95, '96, N1 '95)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R34) '00 - 1 Duplicate ('99)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '97 - 2 Duplicates ('95, '96)
Nissan 300ZX 2seater (Z32) '98 - 1 Duplicate (Version S TwinTurbo)
Nissan 300ZX (Z32) '89 - 1 Duplicate (Fairlady Z TwinTurbo 2seater)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-spec II (R32) '94 - 1 Duplicate (V-spec '93)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R N1 (R32) '91 - 1 Duplicate (V-spec '93)
Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 '13 - 2 Duplicates (Base Model, N24 Schulze Motorsport)
Nissan PRIMERA 20V '01 - 1 Duplicate (EU)
Nissan 350Z (Z33, EU) '03 - 1 Duplicate (US)
Nissan SKYLINE GTS-t Type M (R32) '91 - 1 Duplicate ('89)
Nissan 240SX (S14) '96 - 1 Duplicate - (SILVIA K's AERO)
Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) '02 - 1 Duplicate ('99)
Nissan 240SX '96 - 2 Duplicates (180SX Type X, 200SX)
Nissan XANAVI HIROTO GT-R '01 - 3 Duplicates (PENNZOIL ZEXEL, CALSONIC SKYLINE, LOCTITE ZEXEL)
Nissan GT-R GT500 Base Model '08 - 4 Duplicates (XANAVI NISMO, Calsonic IMPUL, YellowHat YMS TOMICA, WOODONE ADVAN Clarion)
Nissan Z GT500 Base Model '06 - 1 Duplicate (XANAVI NISMO Z)
Nissan 240ZG (HS30) '71 - 1 Duplicate (Fairlady)

Opel - 7 Unique Models

Opera Performance - 2 Unique Models

Oullim Motors - 1 Unique Model

Pagani - 8 Unique Models

Panoz - 1 Unique Model

Pescarolo - 3 Unique Models

Peugeot - 17 Unique Models, 2 Duplicate Models
Peugeot 908 HDi FAP Base Model '10 - 2 Duplicates (Team Peugeot Total, Team Oreca Matmut)

Plymouth - 4 Unique Models

Pontiac - 6 Unique Models

Pozzi Motorsports: 1 Unique Model

Ram 1 Unique Model

RE Amemiya - 2 Unique Models, 2 Duplicate Models
RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model '06 - 2 Duplicates (AsparaDrink '06, ASPARADRINK '04)

Renault - 5 Unique Models

Renault Sport - 12 Unique Models, 3 Duplicate Models
Renault Sport Clio V6 Trophy 24V '00 - 1 Duplicate (Lutecia)
Renault Sport Clio R.S. 2.0 16V '02 - 1 Duplicate (Lutecia)
Renault Sport Mégane Trophy '11 - 1 Duplicate (Base Model)

RUF - 5 Unique Models

Saleen - 1 Unique Model

Scion - 3 Unique Models

Seat - 1 Unique Model

Shelby - 7 Unique Models

Spoon - 6 Unique Models

Spyker - 1 Unique Model

SRT: 14 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate Model
SRT Viper GTS '02 - 1 Duplicate ('99)

Stielow Engineering: 1 Unique Model

Subaru - 41 Unique Models, 3 Duplicate Models
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version V '98 - 1 Duplicate (VI '99)
Subaru BRZ R&D SPORT '12 - 1 Duplicate (GT300 Base Model)
Subaru CUSCO DUNLOP SUBARU IMPREZA '08 - 1 Duplicate (GT300 Base Model)

Suzuki - 16 Unique Model

Tajima - 1 Unique Model

Tesla Motors- 3 Unique Models

Tom's - 1 Unique Model

Tommykaira - 2 Unique Models

Toyota - 78 Unique Models, 25 Duplicate Models
Toyota ARISTO V300 '00 - 1 Duplicate (Vertex Edition)
Toyota NASCARS - 10 Duplicates (10 Extra)
Toyota GAZOO Racing TOYOTA 86 #166 '12 - 1 Duplicate (Base Model)
Toyota 86 GT '12 - 2 Duplicates (FT-86II concept '11, "Racing" '13)
Toyota Castrol TOM's SUPRA '00 - 3 Duplicates (au CERUMO, DENSO SARD GT, '01)
Toyota YellowHat YMS Supra '05 - 1 Duplicate (GT500 Base Model)
Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO BZ-R '98 - 1 Duplicate (COROLLA LEVIN)
Toyota Yaris RS Turbo (J) '02 - 1 Duplicate (Vitz)
Toyota MR2 Spyder (6MT) '02 - 1 Duplicate (MR-S V Edition)
Toyota MR2 Spyder '99 - 1 Duplicate (MR-S V Edition)
Toyota Yaris RS 1.5 (J) '00 - 1 Duplicate (Vitz)
Toyota Yaris U Euro Sport Edition (J) '00 - 1 Duplicate (Vitz)
Toyota Yaris F (J) '99 - 1 Duplicate (Vitz)

TRD - 1 Unique Model

TRIAL - 1 Unique Model

Triumph - 1 Unique Model

TVR - 8 Unique Models

Vauxhall - 7 Unique Models

Volkswagen - 27 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 (Volkswagen Motorsport) '08 - 1 Duplicate (Base Model)

Volvo - 3 Unique Models

References:
GT6 Dealership
Kudosprime - http://www.kudosprime.com/gt6/carlist.php

 

[eran0004]

what I think

Based on your personal opinion then. What makes that "the real car count"?

 

[Conza]

You'll see, and read on, this is open for further discussion, it only starts with my findings. Some of which you may find subjective, others would be harder to argue they're not subjective, had a read as I make it, and see if there's any you think I've missed, or think are unique that I've marked as a duplicate.

 

[DaBomm4]

Car List "Demographic" List of unique standard cars in GT6, also, is this a question?

 

[Conza]

Thanks for both of those links. Particularly the second one, he's done a count just on standards, I'm including premiums, DLC cars, ect, so I can find out the total count in the game.

It isn't so much a question, unless someone has done the count already and has a detailed answer with a list, its more of a reference point.

 

[DaBomm4]

So, can you answer me this question, how many premiums are duplicated as another premium?

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I wouldn't say the Daihatsu Copen has a duplicate. The weights are very different. And the Accord Type R's are different engines/bodies.

 

[Chris___75]

You got yourself a bit of a task there.

 

[Conza]

Worst part is, I just got from Mazda to Mitsubishi and closed the tab! Might break and actually play the game for a while now...

 

[Mike_grpA]

I don't think it's just the different years of the same model that I'd consider a duplicate. For example, I don't see why we need an R34 GTR, a GTR V spec, a GTR V spec II, a GTR V spec II Nur, a GTR M spec, a GTR M spac Nur etc. etc. Just give us the latest and best version of each model. Most people will modify them anyway, and it's ridiculous when every model of GTR has different power levels when fully modified, like their factory power affects their ultimate tunability. How many cars are in the game with an RB26 twin turbo engine, and I don't remember two of them actually having the same power when fully modified.

It's like how a Holden Monaro doesn't achieve the same power as a Pontiac GTO which is just a Monaro with a different bumper...

 

[DaBomm4]

I don't think it's just the different years of the same model that I'd consider a duplicate. For example, I don't see why we need an R34 GTR, a GTR V spec, a GTR V spec II, a GTR V spec II Nur, a GTR M spec, a GTR M spac Nur etc. etc. Just give us the latest and best version of each model. Most people will modify them anyway, and it's ridiculous when every model of GTR has different power levels when fully modified, like their factory power affects their ultimate tunability. How many cars are in the game with an RB26 twin turbo engine, and I don't remember two of them actually having the same power when fully modified.

It's like how a Holden Monaro doesn't achieve the same power as a Pontiac GTO which is just a Monaro with a different bumper...

This could be argued either way, for example, most of the Miata/MX-5/Roadster's are nearly identical except for the hidden livery, we don't need multiple years of a copied setup... Similar with most of the Nissan GTR's. I agree on the points about power on similar cars though, the GTO/Monaro is a great example.

GIF's of cars with tiny differences Miata's.

 

[Mike_grpA]

This could be argued either way, for example, most of the Miata/MX-5/Roadster's are nearly identical except for the hidden livery, we don't need multiple years of a copied setup... Similar with most of the Nissan GTR's. I agree on the points about power on similar cars though, the GTO/Monaro is a great example.

GIF's of cars with tiny differences Miata's.

Yeah that was my point, I say it's a duplicate if the only difference is the year or a certain spec that might have an extra 10hp stock. In GT that 10hp stock difference for some reason translates to a hp difference fully tuned, but in the real world if both cars had the same upgrades they'd end up the same power.

So for MX-5 we can have 1 na 1 nb and 1nc instead of 20 of each, and for GT-R we can have 1 R32, 1 R33 and 1 R34 etc. If there is a special piece from a difference spec like the N1 carbon bonnet, you can always make that bonnet available as an upgrade.

Maybe I'm just being picky, but it just kinda seems silly when people rave on about how many cars there are in the game, when the majority are just ported ps2 models and there must be at least 100 duplicates.

Edit: That thread of gifs is amazing.

 

[HKS racer]

........
Lister: 1 Unique Model
Lotus: 21 Unique Models
MG: 2 Unique Models
Mini: 9 Unique Models
Marcos: 1 Unique Model
Maserati: 1 Unique Model
Mazda:

I think we lost OP here.
and after "M" comes the "N"...

 

[DaBomm4]

I think we lost OP here.
and after "M" comes the "N"...

Worst part is, I just got from Mazda to Mitsubishi and closed the tab! Might break and actually play the game for a while now...

A lot of cars takes some time.

 

[TexRex]

What was the point? Are you disappointed with the generous selection of vehicles to choose from? I'm compiling a list of paint chips as it appears in the GT Auto paint shop with all available vehicles that yield each entry and have cleared the Nissan dealership fully (consider all of those "duplicate" GT-Rs), and you don't see me complaining.

 

[Thomas__633]

I gotta admit Mike_grpA you are being pretty harsh towards a game that is fundamentally good. For example there are large differences between the '00 and '04 Miata fronts.

 

[cjr3559]

OP:

Torque value and length of the '95 Integra is less than the '98 & '99. Not duplicates.

The '01 NSX Type S has a different body style than the '97/'99. Not duplicates.

'03 & '04 Integras not duplicates either; check their weights.

 

[Conza]

Wow, ok so I finally completed the list.

185 Duplicates as it stands.

This is also not taking into account many of the models which were 'unique' only because they had a slightly higher or lower weight, slightly high or lower brake horse power, ect. There are many models that could be recommended to be removed, very easily.

@ccaranna '95 Integra not a duplicate, '98 still is of '99.

NSX Type S corrected, instead of 2 its now 1 duplicate, and made the '99 car the non-duplicate (not the '97)

Removed Integra DC5 duplicates (10kgs difference).

 

[Johnnypenso]

Did you remove the "base models"? They are all duplicates. Most of the Nascar cars are also just duplicate paint jobs and should only count one car per unique car model.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Unless someone with specDB data can check these so called "duplicates", there won't be 100% confirmation if a car is duplicate or not. Each car has several components in GT6 , from chassis, suspension, LSD, transmission, brake, etc. They have distinct values/parameters ( suspension has different ride height range / attachment, different damper values, different ARB rates, different spring rate range just for example ). A duplicate will have to have basic specs like weight, power/torque, the same and all these components too ( not the code assignment but the parameter when dumped )

Has anyone here with access to CFW PS3 + specDB check the most probable duplicates and see if both are completely identical ?

I think the NASCAR also different from car to car, at least from what I gather from those who have raced these cars online like whoosiergirl. Some of them are faster and slower, possibly different parameter.

 

[GTPorsche]

I wouldn't even count the same car with different model years as a duplicate.

 

[Conza]

Did you remove the "base models"? They are all duplicates. Most of the Nascar cars are also just duplicate paint jobs and should only count one car per unique car model.

Yes for base models, I think some of the Nascars could use with a recount, Toyota's have all been marked as duplicates (or extras if you see above)

Unless someone with specDB data can check these so called "duplicates", there won't be 100% confirmation if a car is duplicate or not. Each car has several components in GT6 , from chassis, suspension, LSD, transmission, brake, etc. They have distinct values/parameters ( suspension has different ride height range / attachment, different damper values, different ARB rates, different spring rate range just for example ). A duplicate will have to have basic specs like weight, power/torque, the same and all these components too ( not the code assignment but the parameter when dumped )

Has anyone here with access to CFW PS3 + specDB check the most probable duplicates and see if both are completely identical ?

I think the NASCAR also different from car to car, at least from what I gather from those who have raced these cars online like whoosiergirl. Some of them are faster and slower, possibly different parameter.

I don't think this is exactly the point actually Ridox, why should we have almost identical cars clogging up the dealership, when their only difference is their max/min ride height?

There are several, actually massive amounts, of cars that were only slightly different in terms of power, torque or weight, but fundamentally are the same car. I think even these you could go through and say "Ok we've reduced the RX-7 FD down to 9 models from 21, is it really necessary to have all of these 9?" I think 2 or 3 would be best here, standard FD specs, then the fastest/lightest special edition (or one of both).

For example the Peugeot 106, not marked as duplicates, because there's the light Rallye model, and then the high horsepower S16 model - perfect.

I wouldn't even count the same car with different model years as a duplicate.

I sort of would. If there's no significant performance change between model years, there's no point having multiple years in the game (in my opinion).

 

[Tornado]

Your heart is in the right place, but you're not really approaching it from a very informed angle. A good many of the cars you have in the OP are listed as duplicates when they actually aren't, like the Acura CLs and some of the Skylines. The wishy washy words like this:

fundamentally are the same car

Also say that you're not actually doing what the OP of your thread and the thread title suggest you are.


That isn't to say that this:

Unless someone with specDB data can check these so called "duplicates", there won't be 100% confirmation if a car is duplicate or not. Each car has several components in GT6 , from chassis, suspension, LSD, transmission, brake, etc. They have distinct values/parameters ( suspension has different ride height range / attachment, different damper values, different ARB rates, different spring rate range just for example ). A duplicate will have to have basic specs like weight, power/torque, the same and all these components too ( not the code assignment but the parameter when dumped )

Is a valid rebuttal, because cars that are absolutely positively blatant duplicates of other ones have different internal specs because PD deliberately changed them, but you're not actually looking for a "real" car count or sussing out "duplicates"; which is something that can be objectively quantified. You're just trying to pare down the car list to what you think it should be listed as, which is inherently subjective and (as a result) ultimately meaningless.

 

[Conza]

Hi @Tornado, I can assure you that the OP and I get along quite well, and generally speaking anything I want to accomplish from a thread, this OP will as well.

If you have specific cars that aren't duplicates that I have duplicated, please make a case and I'll review.

I do count what @Ridox2JZGTE said as a valid rebuttal, hence why I quoted him with a reply.

These duplicate threads will always have some grey in them, some of us might think that its 100% vital to have MX-5s with their Miata and Eunos roadster editions, even if the cars are exactly the same in all but name. Others might also argue, that the 970kgs version is just as important to have as the 980kg version.

For now, my list only removes duplicates based upon specification of power, torque and weight, and occasionally looks (you could have identical specs after a facelift, which someone brought to my attention earlier).

So this isn't ultimately meaningless, there are cars that are duplicated, I've done my best to "suss" out, which ones they are, if you have problems with any ones I've listed, please let me know. Yes, I would like A. An accurate car count, B. Cars that are duplicates to be removed in future games, C. I don't care if the code is identical or not, if the specs are the same and the looks are the same, there's no point having both of those cars in the game. That's why I made this list.

 

[Tornado]

Hi @Tornado, I can assure you that the OP and I get along quite well, and generally speaking anything I want to accomplish from a thread, this OP will as well.

Except you've already gone wrong in the thread title alone. "Real car count" according to who? "Duplicate" according to who? "No point having those cars in the game" according to who? The list you've got in the OP omits things that are obvious duplicate cars, cars that didn't even exist in real life but exist in this game to pad the numbers; and instead lists cars that you "think" are too similar to other ones even when those differences are actually modeled as in real life. Who are you to say that two different years of JGTC cars with notably different performance and different racing regulations being adhered to are duplicates of each other just because they have a similar name and vaguely similar appearance? Who are you to say that cars that even in real life were just the manufacturer changing the badges depending on where they were shown as concepts (the Acura concept cars) are unique? Who are you to say that PD including cars that didn't even exist in real life (Vauxhall touring cars) and presenting them as real makes it unique from the cars they copied? Why should people give you information regarding what is and isn't a correctly modeled unique car if you are the arbiter of what should be allowed in GT games rather than any impartial standard? You've got models listed as duplicates when they aren't even the same generation of car to each other; so what standard are you even applying to call such a car a duplicate?


Duplicate cars can be mapped out. They can be done so objectively, regardless of how the game models them; which is why Ridox's point isn't completely valid as a rebuttal. It requires substantial research into the claims being made before it is done (especially so it can be compared when PD messes with specs to make duplicate cars look unique even when they shouldn't be), and that's the only way that "how many cars does GT actually have" threads are anything except wishlist threads; but it can be done. You're not doing that, but that is what your OP and thread title both imply to be the case; and your thread is not any more useful than any of the other times people have made threads saying that certain cars don't count as unique vehicles because they look vaguely similar to some other car.




What makes your thread any more "real" than the other ones loaded with personal interpretations of what makes a car unique? Put it another way, you listed this:

And this:

As being duplicates of one another. In real life they are literally two completely different cars. As obviously different from one another as a 1996 Corvette and a 1998 Corvette. I can only assume that the only reason you included one as a duplicate is because they have the same name.
So why should anyone care what you think a duplicate is if a casual glance at list shows your research is that poor?

 

[Thomas__633]

The two Veyrons look very different. Also the '05 M5 is standard, and therefore probably a duplicate of the '08 (although its a bit lighter. Credit to you for using the Australian names for cars

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Yes for base models, I think some of the Nascars could use with a recount, Toyota's have all been marked as duplicates (or extras if you see above)



I don't think this is exactly the point actually Ridox, why should we have almost identical cars clogging up the dealership, when their only difference is their max/min ride height?

There are several, actually massive amounts, of cars that were only slightly different in terms of power, torque or weight, but fundamentally are the same car. I think even these you could go through and say "Ok we've reduced the RX-7 FD down to 9 models from 21, is it really necessary to have all of these 9?" I think 2 or 3 would be best here, standard FD specs, then the fastest/lightest special edition (or one of both).

For example the Peugeot 106, not marked as duplicates, because there's the light Rallye model, and then the high horsepower S16 model - perfect.



I sort of would. If there's no significant performance change between model years, there's no point having multiple years in the game (in my opinion).

My post was meant to share my opinion of a duplicate in simplest form, a 100% carbon copy of car data components, hence they would drive exactly the same. This is not really applicable in GT6 or in real life, people interpretations of a copy can be different. Take for example, model changes from different year of production of the same car, with only minor updates like different headlights, different interior, different oil pump, different wheel size, added side beam on the door, which added 40kg of weight compared to previous years. These 2 cars are in GT6, how should you categorize them ? Are these good enough to be duplicate ?

I also understand @Tornado point PD could add slight differences to justify 2 cars, maybe they add something for the S2000 '01 vs S2000 '01 ( US ), for example, when in real life, the differences in these 2 might be just cup holder and spare tire or different light lenses

 

[ss3]

1267 models from my perspective is plainly a bloated number, which has very little meaning.

I wanted to find this out in GT5, and the subject has gone off for me in GT6, but considering how much better the tools are now in and out of game, I'm going to try and crack this.

This OP will be updated before it's finished.

Duplicates: I'm going to put a list of the duplicate cars, citing what I think is the 'quint-essential' example of each model, then putting a count next to that car for how many times its duplicated in some tiny variation, which could be removed, and will be discounted from the total of 1267.

I'm open to anyone posting replies with exceptions to my list, stating something isn't a duplicate, or a manufacturer which has a duplicate I haven't listed.

1267 - 182 Duplicates = 1085 Unique models (so far)
Make - A-Z
Abarth: 3 Unique Models
AC: 1 Unique Model
Acura: 10 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Acura CL 3.2 Type-S '03 - 1 Duplicate ('01)
AEM: 1 Unique Model
Alfa Romeo: 17 Unique Models
Alpine: 5 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Alpine A110 1600S '72 - 1 Duplicate ('73)
Amuse: 6 Unique Models
Art Morrison: 1 Unique Model
Aston Martin: 7 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Aston Martin DB9 Coupe '09 - 1 Duplicate ('03)
Audi: 39 Unique Models
Autobacs: 4 Unique Models
Autobianchi: 1 Unique Model
Ayrton Senna: 3 Unique Models
Bentley: 1 Unique Model
BLITZ: 2 Unique Models
BMW: 29 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
BMW M5 '05 - 1 Duplicate ('08)
Bugatti: 1 Unique Model, 1 Duplicate
Bugatti Veyron 16.4 '13 - 1 Duplicate ('09)
Buick: 2 Unique Models
Cadillac: 2 Unique Models
Callaway: 1 Unique Model
Caterham: 1 Unique Model
Chaparral: 3 Unique Models
Chevrolet: 49 Unique Models
Chrysler: 4 Unique Models
Citroen: 11 Unique Models
Cizeta: 2 Unique Models
DMC: 1 Unique Model
Daihatsu: Models, 5 Duplicates
Diahatsu Copen Detachable Top '02 - 1 Duplicate (Active Top '02)
Diahatsu MIRA TR-XX Avanzato R '97 - 1 Duplicate (Cuore TR-XX Avanzato R (J) '97)
Daihatsu STORIA CX 2WD '98 - 1 Duplicate (J)
Daihatsu STORIA CX 4WD '98 - 1 Duplicate (J)
Daihatsu STORIA X4 '00 - 1 Duplicate (J)
Dodge: 4 Unique Models
Dome: 1 Unique Model
Eagle: 1 Unique Model
Ferrari: 16 Unique Models
Fiat: 9 Unique Models
Ford: 34 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Ford GT '05 - 1 Duplicate ('06)
Ford AU: 1 Unique Model
Gillet: 1 Unique Model
Ginetta: 0 Models
Gran Turismo: 17 Unique Models
Grand Touring Garage: 1 Unique Model
HKS: 2 Unique Models
HPA Motorsports: 2 Unique Models
High End Performance: 1 Unique Model
Holden: 2 Unique Models
Hommell: 1 Unique Model
Honda: 81 Unique Models, 29 Duplicates
Honda Accord Type R '00 - 1 Duplicate ('02)
Honda BEAT '91 - 2 Duplicates (F Version and Z Version)
Honda Civic SiR-II (EG) '91 - 3 Duplicates ('92, '93 and '95)
Honda Civic Type R (EK) '97 - 1 Duplicate ('98)
Honda Civic Type R (EP) '01 - 2 Duplicates ('04, (EP, EU) '01)
Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '99 - 1 Duplicate ('98)
Honda NSX '90 - 2 Duplicates ('93, '95)
Honda NSX '97 - 1 Duplicates ('99)
Honda NSX Type S '99 - 1 Duplicate ('97)
Honda NSX Type S Zero '97 - 1 Duplicates ('99)
Honda S2000 '99 - 5 Duplicates ( '01, (EU), (EU) '01, (US), (US) '01 )
Honda S2000 '03 - 2 Duplicates ( (EU) '03, (US) '04)
Honda S2000 Type V '00 - 5 Duplicates ('01, (EU), (EU) '01, (US), (US) '01)
Hyundai: 9 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Hyundai Tuscani '01 - 1 Duplicate (Tiburon GT '01)
Infiniti: 7 Unique Models
Isuzu: 4 Unique Models
Jaguar: 13 Unique Models
Jay Leno: 2 Unique Models
Jenson: 0 Models
Lamborghini: 12 Unique Models
Lancia: 6 Unique Models
Land Rover: 2 Unique Models
Lexus: 24 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Lexus SC 430 (EU) '01 - 1 Duplicate ( (US) )
Lister: 1 Unique Model
Lotus: 21 Unique Models
MG: 2 Unique Models
Mini: 9 Unique Models
Marcos: 1 Unique Model
Maserati: 1 Unique Model
Mazda: 58 Unique Models, 44 Duplicates
Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) '00 - 1 Duplicate ('98)
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02 - 1 Duplicate (Type RZ (FD) '00)
Mazda RX-7 Type RS-R (FD) '97 - 2 Duplicates (efini RX-7 Type RS (FD) '96, Type RS (FD, J) '96)
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD,J) '96 - 1 Duplicate (efini)
Mazda RX-7 Type R-S (FD,J) '95 - 3 Duplicate (efini, efini '93, '93)
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '95 - 1 Duplicate (efini (FD) )
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '93 - 1 Duplicate (efini (FD) )
Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD) '91 - 1 Duplicate (efini)
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '92 - 1 Duplicate (efini)
Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 - 1 Duplicate ('03)
Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC) '90 - 1 Duplicate ( (FC, J) )
Mazda RX-7 GT-LIMITED (FC, J) '85 - 1 Duplicate (SAVANNA)
Mazda Mazda6 5-door '03 - 1 Duplicate (Atenza Sports 23Z)
Mazda Protégé '02 - 1 Duplicate (Familia Sedan Sport 20)
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04 - 2 Duplicates (Roadster (NB), Miata)
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '00 - 2 Duplicates (Roadster (NB), Miata)
Mazda MX-5 1.8 RS (NB, J) '00 - 2 Duplicates (Roadster (NB), Miata)
Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95 - 3 Duplicates (Eunos Roadster SR-Limied (NA) '97, Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA) '93, Miata)
Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special Type I (NA) '95 - 2 Duplicates (J-Limited II (NA) '93, VR-Limited (NA) '95)
Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97 - 7 Duplicates ( (Miata) J-Limited II (NA, J) '93, (Miata) VR-Limited (NA, J) '95, (Miata) V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93 Miata)
Mazda 11 OS (L10B) '68 - 1 Duplicate (Cosmo Sport)
Mazda MX-5 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04 - 2 Duplicates (Miata, Roadster)
Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89 - 4 Duplicates ( (Miata) MX-5 (NA) '89, (Miata) J-Limited (NA) '91)
Mazda 2 '03 - 1 Duplicate (DEMIO SPORT)
Mazda 11 OS (L10A) '67 - 1 Duplicate (Cosmo Sport)
McLaren - 5 Unique Models
Mercedes-Benz - 27 Unique Models
Mecury - 1 Unique Model
Mine's - 2 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate Model
Mine's BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R N1 base '06 - 1 Duplicate (V*spec)
Mitsubishi - 52 Unique Models, 22 Duplicate Models
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '95 - 3 Duplicates (GTO Twin Turbo ('96), '96)
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (J) '98 - 4 Duplicates (Turbo, GTO Twin Turbo (MR '95), '96, MR (J) '95)
Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '98 - 1 Duplicate (GTO Twin Turbo)
Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '96 - 5 Duplicates ( (GTO) SR (J) ('96), '96)
Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '98 - 2 Duplicates (GTO SR, SR)
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. EDITION '00 - 3 Duplicates ('99, '98, Special Color Pack )
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI RS T.M. EDITION - 1 Duplicate ('99)
Mitsubishi FTO GPX '99 - 2 Duplicates ('97, '94)
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R '99 - 1 Duplicate ('97)
Mugen - 1 Unique Model
NISMO - 7 Unique Models
Nissan - 115 Unique Models, 38 Duplicate Models
Nissan 300ZX 2by2 (Z32) '98 - 1 Duplicate (Fairlady Z Version R TwinTurbo)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-spec II Nur (R34) '02 - 3 Duplicates ('99, M-spec '01, '00 )
Nissan 350Z Roadster (Z33, EU) '03 - 2 Duplicates (Fairlady, US)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-spec N1 (R34) '99 - 3 Duplicates (Special Color Midnight Purple '99 ('00), II '00
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-spec (R33) '97 - 4 Duplicates (LM Limited '96, '95, '96, N1 '95)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R34) '00 - 1 Duplicate ('99)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R (R33) '97 - 2 Duplicates ('95, '96)
Nissan 300ZX 2seater (Z32) '98 - 1 Duplicate (Version S TwinTurbo)
Nissan 300ZX (Z32) '89 - 1 Duplicate (Fairlady Z TwinTurbo 2seater)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V-spec II (R32) '94 - 1 Duplicate (V-spec '93)
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R N1 (R32) '91 - 1 Duplicate (V-spec '93)
Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 '13 - 2 Duplicates (Base Model, N24 Schulze Motorsport)
Nissan PRIMERA 20V '01 - 1 Duplicate (EU)
Nissan 350Z (Z33, EU) '03 - 1 Duplicate (US)
Nissan SKYLINE GTS-t Type M (R32) '91 - 1 Duplicate ('89)
Nissan 240SX (S14) '96 - 1 Duplicate - (SILVIA K's AERO)
Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) '02 - 1 Duplicate ('99)
Nissan 240SX '96 - 2 Duplicates (180SX Type X, 200SX)
Nissan XANAVI HIROTO GT-R '01 - 3 Duplicates (PENNZOIL ZEXEL, CALSONIC SKYLINE, LOCTITE ZEXEL)
Nissan GT-R GT500 Base Model '08 - 4 Duplicates (XANAVI NISMO, Calsonic IMPUL, YellowHat YMS TOMICA, WOODONE ADVAN Clarion)
Nissan Z GT500 Base Model '06 - 1 Duplicate (XANAVI NISMO Z)
Nissan 240ZG (HS30) '71 - 1 Duplicate (Fairlady)
Opel - 7 Unique Models
Opera Performance - 2 Unique Models
Oullim Motors - 1 Unique Model
Pagani - 8 Unique Models
Panoz - 1 Unique Model
Pescarolo - 3 Unique Models
Peugeot - 17 Unique Models, 2 Duplicate Models
Peugeot 908 HDi FAP Base Model '10 - 2 Duplicates (Team Peugeot Total, Team Oreca Matmut)
Plymouth - 4 Unique Models
Pontiac - 6 Unique Models
RE Amemiya - 2 Unique Models, 2 Duplicate Models
RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model '06 - 2 Duplicates (AsparaDrink '06, ASPARADRINK '04)
RUF - 5 Unique Models
Renault - 5 Unique Models
Renault Sport - 12 Unique Models, 3 Duplicate Models
Renault Sport Clio V6 Trophy 24V '00 - 1 Duplicate (Lutecia)
Renault Sport Clio R.S. 2.0 16V '02 - 1 Duplicate (Lutecia)
Renault Sport Mégane Trophy '11 - 1 Duplicate (Base Model)
Saleen - 1 Unique Model
Scion - 3 Unique Models
Seat - 1 Unique Model
Shelby - 7 Unique Models
Spoon - 6 Unique Models
Spyker - 1 Unique Model
Subaru - 41 Unique Models, 3 Duplicate Models
Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STi Version V '98 - 1 Duplicate (VI '99)
Subaru BRZ R&D SPORT '12 - 1 Duplicate (GT300 Base Model)
Subaru CUSCO DUNLOP SUBARU IMPREZA '08 - 1 Duplicate (GT300 Base Model)
Suzuki - 16 Unique Model
TRD - 1 Unique Model
TRIAL - 1 Unique Model
TVR - 8 Unique Models
Tesla - 3 Unique Models
Tom's - 1 Unique Model
Tommykaira - 2 Unique Models
Toyota - 78 Unique Models, 25 Duplicate Models
Toyota ARISTO V300 '00 - 1 Duplicate (Vertex Edition)
Toyota NASCARS - 10 Duplicates (10 Extra)
Toyota GAZOO Racing TOYOTA 86 #166 '12 - 1 Duplicate (Base Model)
Toyota 86 GT '12 - 2 Duplicates (FT-86II concept '11, "Racing" '13)
Toyota Castrol TOM's SUPRA '00 - 3 Duplicates (au CERUMO, DENSO SARD GT, '01)
Toyota YellowHat YMS Supra '05 - 1 Duplicate (GT500 Base Model)
Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO BZ-R '98 - 1 Duplicate (COROLLA LEVIN)
Toyota Yaris RS Turbo (J) '02 - 1 Duplicate (Vitz)
Toyota MR2 Spyder (6MT) '02 - 1 Duplicate (MR-S V Edition)
Toyota MR2 Spyder '99 - 1 Duplicate (MR-S V Edition)
Toyota Yaris RS 1.5 (J) '00 - 1 Duplicate (Vitz)
Toyota Yaris U Euro Sport Edition (J) '00 - 1 Duplicate (Vitz)
Toyota Yaris F (J) '99 - 1 Duplicate (Vitz)
Triumph - 1 Unique Model
Vauxhall - 7 Unique Models
Volkswagen - 27 Unique Models, 1 Duplicate
Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 (Volkswagen Motorsport) '08 - 1 Duplicate (Base Model)
Volvo - 3 Unique Models


References:
GT6 Dealership
Kudosprime - http://www.kudosprime.com/gt6/carlist.php

Greaty great great I could 100% agree with you

 

[Conza]

The two Veyrons look very different. Also the '05 M5 is standard, and therefore probably a duplicate of the '08 (although its a bit lighter. Credit to you for using the Australian names for cars

Yeah the two Veyrons are exactly the same, the M5s are the same car, but the '05 is lighter than the '08, so I think removing the '08 would be correct

My post was meant to share my opinion of a duplicate in simplest form, a 100% carbon copy of car data components, hence they would drive exactly the same. This is not really applicable in GT6 or in real life, people interpretations of a copy can be different. Take for example, model changes from different year of production of the same car, with only minor updates like different headlights, different interior, different oil pump, different wheel size, added side beam on the door, which added 40kg of weight compared to previous years. These 2 cars are in GT6, how should you categorize them ? Are these good enough to be duplicate ?

I also understand @Tornado point PD could add slight differences to justify 2 cars, maybe they add something for the S2000 '01 vs S2000 '01 ( US ), for example, when in real life, the differences in these 2 might be just cup holder and spare tire or different light lenses

Are these good enough to be duplicate ? - Yes.

As well If PD is adding artificial differences to the code to justify more cars, and bloating their car count, then yes they're duplicates.

Right.

Except you've already gone wrong in the thread title alone. "Real car count" according to who? "Duplicate" according to who? "No point having those cars in the game" according to who?

According to me, and anyone contributing to the thread (x3). Why? Because it bloats the count and detracts from PD making more cars.

The list you've got in the OP omits things that are obvious duplicate cars, cars that didn't even exist in real life but exist in this game to pad the numbers;

See, now I'd love to add those in here, could you give me any of the ones you know?

and instead lists cars that you "think" are too similar to other ones even when those differences are actually modeled as in real life.

As you can see above, When I've mis-duplicated a car (mostly it will be, same specs, but face lifted or different model in some way), I'll unmark those as duplicates, so please, send them to me.

Who are you to say that two different years of JGTC cars with notably different performance and different racing regulations being adhered to are duplicates of each other just because they have a similar name and vaguely similar appearance?

Who do I have to be? I'm just a player of the game, pointing out duplicates in a thread on a forum. That's who I am. I don't know which JGTC car/s you're reffering to, if you list them, I'll happily update the OP.

Who are you to say that cars that even in real life were just the manufacturer changing the badges depending on where they were shown as concepts (the Acura concept cars) are unique?

Starting to see a pattern of asking the same questions again, so I'll just answer the unique parts. I would say that the FR-S, BRZ and 86 all deserve to be in here separately, but that's just me, if there was an argument to counter that, I'd listen, however atleast with the BRZ and 86 the suspension setup is (meant to be) different.

Who are you to say that PD including cars that didn't even exist in real life (Vauxhall touring cars) and presenting them as real makes it unique from the cars they copied?

Not exactly sure if I'm answering the right question here, but if PD make up a car (Vision Gran Turismo, ect), obviously its unique, so I wouldn't count it as a duplicate or ask it to be removed.

Why should people give you information regarding what is and isn't a correctly modeled unique car if you are the arbiter of what should be allowed in GT games rather than any impartial standard?

Because I asked them to, and if they want to they can, if they want to ask me who I am several times, like you're doing, they can as well. If you have suggestions to make some sort of impartial standard, go ahead, I'd like to hear it.

You've got models listed as duplicates when they aren't even the same generation of car to each other; so what standard are you even applying to call such a car a duplicate?

As I said above, I couldn't go looking through every single car image, so I'm bound to have duplicated some cars incorrectly, if you could help me out by pointing out which cars aren't, please do

Duplicate cars can be mapped out. They can be done so objectively, regardless of how the game models them; which is why Ridox's point isn't completely valid as a rebuttal. It requires substantial research into the claims being made before it is done (especially so it can be compared when PD messes with specs to make duplicate cars look unique even when they shouldn't be), and that's the only way that "how many cars does GT actually have" threads are anything except wishlist threads

You're kind of losing me here. I'm not asking to add cars (here, in this thread), I'm asking to figure out which cars are the unique ones, that's it basically. I don't "require" code making to know that each car is identical, specs are enough for me.

but it can be done. You're not doing that

Correct.

but that is what your OP and thread title both imply

That might be what they imply to you, but that isn't what they mean, hopefully that's cleared up now. I never said I'd be investigating any code, nor will I, that's not the goal here.

to be the case; and your thread is not any more useful than any of the other times people have made threads saying that certain cars don't count as unique vehicles because they look vaguely similar to some other car.

Disagree. the first one by Hayden "List of unique standard cars in GT6 (now publicly editable)" is great, he's going into liveries, arguables, all nice categories, but he's not considering premiums as well, I might chat with him though. The second one is now a dead link. The third one is specific for GT5. The last one is a demographic thread, also useful, but in other ways. So given those examples, is this the only thread considering all angles? Happy to be wrong and consider this as a duplicate thread (lol), but I'd like to see the thread its a duplicate of first

What makes your thread any more "real" than the other ones loaded with personal interpretations of what makes a car unique?

These aren't personal interpretations alone, they begin with how I judge duplicates, then the list expands democratically to include others thoughts on why some cars should or shouldn't be considered duplicates

Put it another way, you listed this:

And this:

As being duplicates of one another. In real life they are literally two completely different cars.

Great, one less, what are these? Accords?

As obviously different from one another as a 1996 Corvette and a 1998 Corvette. I can only assume that the only reason you included one as a duplicate is because they have the same name.

Yeah, that's right, and as I've said above, I didn't look at each image, but I'll remove those (or any others) as duplicates if you list them

So why should anyone care what you think a duplicate is if a casual glance at list shows your research is that poor?

I'd hardly say my research is poor, I just haven't gone into every single car image, so without doing that, I'd say my initial research to begin this thread is pretty good. How about because they want to? I don't know why anyone would post if they didn't care actually, if you don't, then thanks for stopping by, I hope this post is useful to anyone unclear on the OP and have a nice day.

 

[Thomas__633]

Look at the Veyron lights mate.