The terrorists want to kill me.

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ledhed
Thats my whole point. Of course you do not see them as terrorist.

That's a fair point, but I meant the uniform issue sets them apart.
Terrorists don't tend to make themselves easy targets by wearing uniform. Soldiers in NI are sitting ducks, that's why, as Famine points out they have taken more casualties than anyone.

That's why they call it asymmetrical warfare, if it was a level playing field, it would be no contest.

Edit: I have seen footage of the special forces, both US and UK operating in Afghanistan, openly admitting they felt, that by removing their uniforms and dressing as Arabs, their actions were not very different from a terrorist. They felt a certain amount of dilemma about it, and knew that if they were caught they would be seen as "illegal combatants" and receive no protection from the Geneva convention. Thats why I see the uniform as a big distinction between a soldier and a terrorist.
 
KieranMurphy
The reason I took offence is that I resent being targetted out as a sympathiser or condoner of terrorism simply because I took the trouble to try to explain that it's not as simple as some people think or wish it to be.

I understand you position, but rules are rules. FWIW, I did not read what danoff did in your first post and thought what you had to say was pretty well on the mark. Thank you for taking the time and consideration to appologize, though. Much appreciated.


M
 
Famine
Come live in the UK.

We won't get bombed (I hope), but our Government, in an attempt to make everyone feel safer by giving us all a pamphlet entitled "Preparing for Emergencies" (about what to do if you're caught in a terrorist attack), is creating the biggest massed streak of paranoia ever.

If we see a Sikh on a Tube train, we all freak and run for the nearest exit. Ace!

Times have definitely changed, unfortunately. Now the pamphlets, the paranoia, and the freaking out all seem terribly appropriate...
 
US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station,
Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is
an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why
this action is so necessary.

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than
3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should
have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been
buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll
over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.
It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a
religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked
and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright
attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most
powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this
sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam
experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President
Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the
desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's
inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized
since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly
organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was
doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped
and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect
her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven
into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people.
The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden down
with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US
Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America
mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is
driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate
of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a
restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven
into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and
the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched
as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840
in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over
Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial.
These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and
killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with
explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City.
Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war?

The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500.
The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania..
These attacks were planned with precision.
They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979
and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government
over what they knew and what they didn't know.
But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.

The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now.
America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues.

We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant."
This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican.
 
ledhed
Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican.

Backbone? Or funds and support? America was kind of dealing with major wars between then, y'know. Vietnam, coldwar, Gulf War, but I'm sure those could have been pushed aside, right?
 
Nov. '79 to date ....no Vietnam . Cold War is at an end ...terrorism is not . It took 9 / 11 to declare war on terrorism . Even though there was plenty of action leading up to it . Did you ever wonder why ?
 
ledhed
Nov. '79 to date ....no Vietnam . Cold War is at an end ...terrorism is not . It took 9 / 11 to declare war on terrorism . Even though there was plenty of action leading up to it . Did you ever wonder why ?


**I misread: thought it said '69. Sorry.
 
I didn't read the whole thread only up to page 2 , I'm a Muslim and I'm from Saudi Arabia , I want to ask what do you think of Saudi Arabia as?(this is a real question)

I would think the Iraqis are better off without Saddam , we here in Saudi have been attacked by the same people that attacked the US ,the UK , the attack people in Iraq , as a Muslim I say this is not Islam these people have got it all wrong Islam is all about peace an forgiveness not killing innocent people , my friend who is Egyptian and a Muslim had hi brother killed by terrorist in the city I live in , there are list of terrorist being hunted down all the time and killed and captured , 2 years ago they bombed a police building and the people inside are all Saudis.
 
BMW318ciC
I didn't read the whole thread only up to page 2 , I'm a Muslim and I'm from Saudi Arabia , I want to ask what do you think of Saudi Arabia as?(this is a real question)

I would think the Iraqis are better off without Saddam , we here in Saudi have been attacked by the same people that attacked the US ,the UK , the attack people in Iraq , as a Muslim I say this is not Islam these people have got it all wrong Islam is all about peace an forgiveness not killing innocent people , my friend who is Egyptian and a Muslim had hi brother killed by terrorist in the city I live in , there are list of terrorist being hunted down all the time and killed and captured , 2 years ago they bombed a police building and the people inside are all Saudis.
Just until like week ago, I had a quote by gtplanet member emad in my signature. It basically echoed what you said about how these terrorists does not represent your religion. I think same could be said about the Christians, where there's been countless killing in the name of the religion, but by evil people who used the bible in their own agenda.

I don't know much about Saudi Arabia, but I know that U.S. has good relationship with them. That's very important, because you know how popular U.S. is in Middle East. :D
 
I think allot of people have the wrong idea about Islam and Muslims , the reason I asked is do you think like we are all terrorist , and there are terrorists just moving around on the streets?
thats why I asked th queston:)
 
Most people know better. We know that it's the small percentage of people who's actually engaging in or helping out terrorist acts.
 
a6m5
Most people know better. We know that it's the small percentage of people who's actually engaging in or helping out terrorist acts.

So the American and British people that aren't terrorists get to pay for their govt's mistakes by increased security and possible invasions of privacy in the interest of stopping the few terrorists.

Oh, I know all muslims are not terrorists. I wish that christians had the disipline of the nation of Islam in America. But.... :indiff:
 
BMW318ciC
I think allot of people have the wrong idea about Islam and Muslims , the reason I asked is do you think like we are all terrorist , and there are terrorists just moving around on the streets?
thats why I asked th queston:)

I would say most people in the western world understand that Islam is a peaceful religion and that most Muslims do not condone terrorism at all. I don't know a single person that has the wrong idea as you describe it.

I would be interested in your opinion as a Saudi --what do you think motivates the extremists in your country?


M
 
Most of the guys in my opinion are high school drop outs and teenagers who are misguided as they are brainwashed by these terrorist . for example lets say that there is this 17 year old boy who is still in high school , he is soft and can be taught anything as he is young and inexperienced this guy comes posing as a religious guy and feeding him all sorts of crap and recruiting him , telling him if he kills that and odes this he's going to heaven ...ect .
I hope you get the idea .

Islam for example says if a non Muslim no matter what ever his religion is , if he comes to a Muslim country to work they are under Muslims protection and they are safe , but these terrorist 2 years ago killed some of those who came to help and develop our country .
 
BMW318ciC
Most of the guys in my opinion are high school drop outs and teenagers who are misguided as they are brainwashed by these terrorist . for example lets say that there is this 17 year old boy who is still in high school , he is soft and can be taught anything as he is young and inexperienced this guy comes posing as a religious guy and feeding him all sorts of crap and recruiting him , telling him if he kills that and odes this he's going to heaven ...ect .
I hope you get the idea .

Islam for example says if a non Muslim no matter what ever his religion is , if he comes to a Muslim country to work they are under Muslims protection and they are safe , but these terrorist 2 years ago killed some of those who came to help and develop our country .

That reminds me of the hypocracy of the crusades.
 
Hm. That makes me frusrated still. But they never said anything about all the passengers that were trying to break through the door. Is there a sound clip somewhere of the conversation(s)? I couldn't even understand what they were talking about--they just kept saying "no" over and over throughout the thing.
 
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