The tweaking advantage

[BradKinder]

I want an honest answer from a professional Gran Turismo demon. Assume whatever car has whatever other mods and settings you like. Going from the defaults of the fully customizable suspension to your own custom settings... How much quicker is your lap with a particular car on a particular course?

 

[XDesperado67]

I want an honest answer from a professional Gran Turismo demon. Assume whatever car has whatever other mods and settings you like. Going from the defaults of the fully customizable suspension to your own custom settings... How much quicker is your lap with a particular car on a particular course?

Depends on the car and driver but there can be a massive difference between the two.

 

[BradKinder]

A massive difference?

I hardly think tweaking the fully customizable suspension from its default is going to result in massive anything.

Seriously, people, I want someone's real work given to me for free in this thread.

My experience tells me that the fully customized suspension option on any car in this game works perfectly for nearly any kind of race. I believe I might tweak the settings for long races if tire wear is much greater on 1-2 tires than I'd like to see. I do not see any reason to adjust the fully customizable suspension settings for a faster lap time.

I always drive with tire wear set to on. I don't want to hear from absolute newbies thinking they know anything about anything when they play this game with tire wear set off.

 

[CSLACR]

I want an honest answer from a professional Gran Turismo demon. Assume whatever car has whatever other mods and settings you like. Going from the defaults of the fully customizable suspension to your own custom settings... How much quicker is your lap with a particular car on a particular course?

After unknown gains from stock, I've gained up to half a second from somebody else's suspension and lsd.
All in all your average gains on a "perfect" (for you) setup over stock(default settings, racing parts) will range from 0.1 to 10 seconds a lap.

Some cars like the EVO rally prototype drive great with default settings, these are the ones you will gain less time from.
The Lancia Stratos recently proved to me just how much a car can actually gain in terms of not just time, but stability as well.

Now THAT might make for an interesting shootout, "measured gains from default settings."
See how much time we can crank out of some cars with adjustments being the only factor.

A massive difference?

Under a couple of those definitions.

I hardly think tweaking the fully customizable suspension from its default is going to result in massive anything.

So are you trolling or ignorant? You came to the tuning forum and asked if it can be done, if you think it's impossible, why ask?
Desperado has over 2000 cars and tunes cars daily. You should have an idea what you're talking about before posts like these.

Seriously, people, I want someone's real work given to me for free in this thread.

Ignorant, it is.

My experience tells me that the fully customized suspension option on any car in this game works perfectly for nearly any kind of race. I believe I might tweak the settings for long races if tire wear is much greater on 1-2 tires than I'd like to see. I do not see any reason to adjust the fully customizable suspension settings for a faster lap time.

Then you don't know what the hell you're doing, simple as that.

I always drive with tire wear set to on. I don't want to hear from absolute newbies thinking they know anything about anything when they play this game with tire wear set off.

And you're a post away from officially "trolling".
You don't go into a forum spouting off at everyone like you're an almighty god telling everyone they're full of 🤬

 

[XDesperado67]

Proper tuning of suspension can make the difference between a car being nearly undriveable and one that handles well at speed.
As for someone's experience with the game that shouldn't be an issue.
If your looking for the benefits of tuning a suspension vs not tuning one I suggest you look at some of the top NASCAR drivers in the game. All the NASCARs have nearly identical stats yet the best drivers with proper tunes can be several seconds faster or have greatly extended tire life or both.
If you don't think tuning a suspension makes a difference why bother installing it?

 

[BradKinder]

These aren't answers.

I want an answer specific to the fully customizable suspension only. I don't care if you work with a dual-clutch manumatic, locking differentials or whatever. I want to know what someone is able to do with the default fully customizable suspension, and if tweaking the fully customizable suspension's settings will make faster lap times possible. Also... what their comments, thoughts, and opinions on the tuning process are.

I don't care what the base car is, modification-wise. I just want to know how your laps are with the default fully customizable suspension settings... And then if you're able to make a significantly faster car changing the suspension settings alone. Use your favorite gears, diffs, insulations, brakes, ect.

Also, all people who change settings with tire wear off, and think anything can be said about the results... is some sort of retard.

 

[BradKinder]

There is no car in this game that is hard to drive by default. (assuming you've calibrated your brake balance) If you think there are, you are a dangerous person. Please stay away from large engines in real life.

 

[-raVer-]

...and you should stay away from double posting


raVer

 

[BradKinder]

Computer servers have rulers. You are not one of them. Why is my perfectly GTPlanet-worthy post being flooding with your garbage? Pretending you are of the administration should be a felony.

*#+%*#>{+#^%
Grr.

 

[oppositelock]

There is no car in this game that is hard to drive by default.

My swami sense tells me your garage is devoid of Yellowbirds.

 

[XDesperado67]

My swami sense tells me your garage is devoid of Yellowbirds.

Not to mention most fully modified cars with over 800HP
and quite a few with a lot less.
Also have to wonder what driving aids the OP is using.

 

[MemorableC]

Probably using a DS3 where quick corrections are easier to do

 

[CSLACR]

This is BradKinder from the GT5 forum folks.

He'll insult you while he asks for help, and continue on even afterwards, double posting the whole time.

If any of you wish to help him, good luck is all I can say.

BTW Brad - There's these things called "stickies" that I just know you're aware of, and they already contain what you're looking for.

 

[BradKinder]

I only insult those who are unable to answer my very basic and appropriate question.

Being convoluted and inappropriate is also known as being stupid.

 

[Jaywalker]

My swami sense tells me your garage is devoid of Yellowbirds.

My swami sense tells me his head is devoid of brain cells.

 

[CSLACR]

I only insult those who are unable to answer my very basic and appropriate question.

Being convoluted and inappropriate is also known as being stupid.

Your question was answered in the first post.

Depends on the car and driver but there can be a massive difference between the two.

And then you insulted.

A massive difference?

I hardly think tweaking the fully customizable suspension from its default is going to result in massive anything.

Seriously, people, I want someone's real work given to me for free in this thread.

If you don't think you can gain anything, why ask what you can gain?
If you ask, it means you don't know, if you don't know, why do you seem to have all the answers?
If you do "know" and still ask, you're trolling.

But fear not, I won't even give you a link to what you don't believe exists, as you wouldn't click it now would you?

 

[BradKinder]

The whole point is for this thread to contain example scenarios that anyone can try. I will most certainly do my best to verify anybody who claims to make significant improvements through suspension tweaks alone. We're here for knowledge, not the bickering of imbeciles with nothing to put in the thread.

I wish this thread currently contained only my original post. This thread is here for me to list examples of modification where results are consistent, golden.

Stop being yourself. It's a problem in my thread. Instead, go do exactly what I've asked of you.
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I have a feeling that my suspension tuning opinions comes from me primarily driving production cars. I have a feeling that their performance, after upgrading to the fully customizable suspension, is limited by their chassis rigidity.

The fully customizable suspension on race cars may be tweaked to provide much greater performance increase. Just a guess, though.

 

[BradKinder]

Your question was answered in the first post.

If you don't think you can gain anything, why ask what you can gain?
If you ask, it means you don't know, if you don't know, why do you seem to have all the answers?
If you do "know" and still ask, you're trolling.

But fear not, I won't even give you a link to what you don't believe exists, as you wouldn't click it now would you?

Being convoluted and inappropriate is also known as being stupid.

 

[CSLACR]

This thread is here for me to list examples of modification where results are consistent, golden.

I want an honest answer from a professional Gran Turismo demon. Assume whatever car has whatever other mods and settings you like. Going from the defaults of the fully customizable suspension to your own custom settings... How much quicker is your lap with a particular car on a particular course?

There is no car in this game that is hard to drive by default. (assuming you've calibrated your brake balance) If you think there are, you are a dangerous person. Please stay away from large engines in real life.

I want to know what someone is able to do with the default fully customizable suspension, and if tweaking the fully customizable suspension's settings will make faster lap times possible. Also... what their comments, thoughts, and opinions on the tuning process are.

I hardly think tweaking the fully customizable suspension from its default is going to result in massive anything.

Seriously, people, I want someone's real work given to me for free in this thread.

Sure thing bud, let me know what this thread really is first.
IF you have a straight answer for that I'll probably disappear, though it seems you've changed what your thread "is" now that you heard my idea.

It did start out just a question, after all.

 

[XDesperado67]

The whole point is for this thread to contain example scenarios that anyone can try. I will most certainly do my best to verify anybody who claims to make significant improvements through suspension tweaks alone. We're here for knowledge, not the bickering of imbeciles with nothing to put in the thread.

I wish this thread currently contained only my original post. This thread is here for me to list examples of modification where results are consistent, golden.

Stop being yourself. It's a problem in my thread. Instead, go do exactly what I've asked of you.
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I have a feeling that my suspension tuning opinions comes from me primarily driving production cars. I have a feeling that their performance, after upgrading to the fully customizable suspension, is limited by their chassis rigidity.

The fully customizable suspension on race cars may be tweaked to provide much greater performance increase. Just a guess, though.

Couple of things here and then I'll let you go play with yourself.

1) Clarity in your OP on exactly what you wanted and the conditions you expected to be met would have prevented most of the subsequent posts.

2) After tuning a large number of cars most of which are production cars and not racing cars, its my opinion that production cars see a larger benefit from suspension tuning than most race cars. There is two reasons for this; A) Production cars don't have the benefit of a stiffer frame custom designed for high performance. B) Most race cars don't start with the same default settings that production cars do. i.e. They will have certain amounts of camber, toe, spring rates and anti-roll bar settings already applied which are closer to the real world settings those cars use for their performance. Note you see the same thing with many of the "tuner" cars included in the game such as the Trial Celica and the HPA TTS.

There is no way that a default suspension setting with basically zero difference will be close to optimum for all cars. Applying a fully customizable suspension with default settings to a 1700kg Audi RS6 with its 4wd and 900+HP when fully tuned will not be optimized. Especially considering that I have nearly identical default settings when I install a fully customizable suspension in a 800kg Fiat 500 with front wheel drive and only 65 HP. That's simple logic at work.

If you wished to see examples of performance gains based solely on suspension tuning you should have stated that in the OP along with requirements for testing such as online or offline, partial grip or real grip, tire wear on or off, what driving aids were to be used and preferred test track. Specifying which car/s you were most interested in would also have been useful.

Will I post examples here for you? No.
Why not? Because you chose to be insulting instead of clarifying your request and because there are thousands of tunes available here in the tuning forum for you to use to conduct your own tests with.

Peace I'm finished here.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Why is my perfectly GTPlanet-worthy post being flooding with your garbage?

1) Please stop the double-posting; its unnecessary and annoying.
2) Read your PM's, and
3) If you cook up a iffy thread to start with, expect corresponding replies and don't get uptight about it.

You've asked a very broad question (any car, any track) and expect to derive a scientific answer about it? Go and take a Yellowbird or Cobra around the Nurburgring for a hint about what answer you will end up finding.

 

[Jaywalker]

I want an honest answer from a professional Gran Turismo demon. Assume whatever car has whatever other mods and settings you like. Going from the defaults of the fully customizable suspension to your own custom settings... How much quicker is your lap with a particular car on a particular course?

Take a stock McLaren F1 around the last track of the supercar seasonals. (Eiffel?)
Then apply the suspension settings of any of the top tuners & do the same race.
Then feel free to apologise to the tuners...

 

[Onboy123]

There's nothing unworthy with your post. It's your attitude that's not worthy. As most here has said, take a Yellowbird, BTR, Cobra for a spin with no suspension tuning, apply a setup, then come back and talk. And learn one thing. FC suspension is only part of tuning. To get anywhere near a 'noticeable' improvement, you need the full FC kits. (Diffs, tranny)

I have tested enough tunes to know the difference between a stock car and one with a tweaked suspension. One of the most extreme examples I know of was a Mazda Kusabi, it was I think a full second faster than before. I think its more the tweaked suspension making you more confident in the corners more than anything else.

Flame away if you want. Just know that you'll only be making yourself look more a fool. Now, if I were you, I'd clean up your act and attitude. Your type don't tend to last long here.

 

[dr_slump]

The more difficult a car is to drive (or the worse the default setup is), the greater the improvement.
0.5-2sec on a "normal size" track. (sometimes even more, depends also on the driver)

 

[MONSTAR-1]

These aren't answers.

I want an answer specific to the fully customizable suspension only. I don't care if you work with a dual-clutch manumatic, locking differentials or whatever. I want to know what someone is able to do with the default fully customizable suspension, and if tweaking the fully customizable suspension's settings will make faster lap times possible. Also... what their comments, thoughts, and opinions on the tuning process are.

I don't care what the base car is, modification-wise. I just want to know how your laps are with the default fully customizable suspension settings... And then if you're able to make a significantly faster car changing the suspension settings alone. Use your favorite gears, diffs, insulations, brakes, ect.

Also, all people who change settings with tire wear off, and think anything can be said about the results... is some sort of retard.

I understand what your saying. Lol.
Yes you can gain time by adjusting the FC settings. I don't like to fiddle to much away from them but even just lowering the car you will gain time. Same as adjusting the toe.

 

[BradKinder]

LOL. I've been warned! I'm perfectly ok with being banned for expecting people to play this game in simulation mode when they tweak their fully customizable parts. All of you that think tire wear off is ok, are unbelievably terrible at understanding reality.

I want to enjoy talking about REAL things. I want everyone to know that if I think they are stupid, which they are, then I don't want them rambling in my thread.

It's not very hard to be as good as anyone else in GT. Get over your damn selves and play the game with all realistic options. Don't expect me to suck up to you just because you can answer questions about video entertainment.

Can anyone help me with my original experiment? I want to see what kind of real performance increase you can get from moving numbers from default *in the fully customizable suspension ONLY*. I haven't done anything like this yet, since I can't find any reasoning to go with. The fully customizable suspensions for cars that are upgraded to it are extremely competent.

Can anyone reduce a laptime to 90-95% of what was possible before tweaks were made? I think anything over 95% would be a moot point in a race due to aerodynamics.

This isn't a monumental task or anything. This is the tuning forum on GTPlanet. Come on!

 

[BradKinder]

I want to delve deeper into the suspension setup only. I'm a competent driver. Yes, drivetrain mods make a huge impact on performance. Yes, a good limited slip makes many cars much faster.

But, to a competent driver these things are just basic mods. Yeah, I know what they all do, in every way. Regardless of the suspension, I can have the fastest drivetrain, differentials, and downforce settings if that's what I want. Easily. I want to look at the FC suspension only. It really makes no difference at all whether the drivetrain, differentials, ect are customized or not. All I want is the FC suspension equipped either way.

I don't always play the game for the absolute fastest equipment... I play it for the cars. If I'm not doubling the cars power, the only drivetrain mod you might see on my car is the single plate clutch, and maybe a different flywheel, if it was already a powerful car to begin with.

There's nothing unworthy with your post. It's your attitude that's not worthy. As most here has said, take a Yellowbird, BTR, Cobra for a spin with no suspension tuning, apply a setup, then come back and talk. And learn one thing. FC suspension is only part of tuning. To get anywhere near a 'noticeable' improvement, you need the full FC kits. (Diffs, tranny)

I have tested enough tunes to know the difference between a stock car and one with a tweaked suspension. One of the most extreme examples I know of was a Mazda Kusabi, it was I think a full second faster than before. I think its more the tweaked suspension making you more confident in the corners more than anything else.

Flame away if you want. Just know that you'll only be making yourself look more a fool. Now, if I were you, I'd clean up your act and attitude. Your type don't tend to last long here.

 

[Onboy123]

LOL. I've been warned! I'm perfectly ok with being banned for expecting people to play this game in simulation mode when they tweak their fully customizable parts. All of you that think tire wear off is ok, are unbelievably terrible at understanding reality.

I want to enjoy talking about REAL things. I want everyone to know that if I think they are stupid, which they are, then I don't want them rambling in my thread.

It's not very hard to be as good as anyone else in GT. Get over your damn selves and play the game with all realistic options. Don't expect me to suck up to you just because you can answer questions about video entertainment.

Can anyone help me with my original experiment? I want to see what kind of real performance increase you can get from moving numbers from default *in the fully customizable suspension ONLY*. I haven't done anything like this yet, since I can't find any reasoning to go with. The fully customizable suspensions for cars that are upgraded to it are extremely competent.

Can anyone reduce a laptime to 90-95% of what was possible before tweaks were made? I think anything over 95% would be a moot point in a race due to aerodynamics.

This isn't a monumental task or anything. This is the tuning forum on GTPlanet. Come on!

Understanding reality? Talking about 'real' things? Really now? This is a game. It may say 'the real driving simulator' on the cover, but if you took it back to basics, it is a game. This is a GT5 forum. If you want to talk about reality, go to the cars in general section. This is a forum about a game based on one little man's vision.

As for it not being very hard to be as good as everyone else in GT5? Sign up for a WRS race, get your sorry little ass whooped by the fastest GTP has to offer and then come back and tell us it's easy.

Anyway, I'll end it here. Though, assuming the thread won't have degenerated into another bicker war, I'll try to report back tomorrow with some findings.

 

[Jaywalker]

"The fully customizable suspensions for cars that are upgraded to it are extremely competent."

So an across the board rear toe setting of -0.20 for EVERY
car is 'extremely competent'? I think not.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Just changing the suspension settings, right? Your answer is "an average of 1.8 seconds per lap" can be gained by changing individual settings. I have tuned over 100 cars (need to get them all posted) and the average gain is around 1.8 seconds for just suspension settings. I have written a whole tuning guide about what each setting does and how to tune it so I don't feel the need to restate all of that here. Use the search button.

Secondly, I don't know why anyone would want to limit their tuning to just changing suspension settings when there is far more to gain by learning to tune the LSD and the brakes. But if you truly want to go slower than everyone else, it's your choice.