#TheCardboardBox Tuning |Touge|Wangan|

[SolidSnake7735]

TOUGE - WANGAN- DRIFT-TRACK
In association with
TOSS: Touge One-Stop Shop,
LotS: Legend of the Streets and
WANGAN MASTERS: Highway Racing Tournament

Hello everyone and welcome to TheCardboardBox Tuning Shop.
We specialize in Touge setups for road cars as well as the occasional Wangan, Drift and Track setups.
We are accept inquiries for requests, all that we ask is you write up a concise (brief yet comprehensive),
well worded review for any of our cars. We ASSURE that all of the setups found
herein have been tuned with all aids off and ABS-1
(unless otherwise mentioned)
and are ready for Online use.
Enjoy and please review

Remember folks, "The only things you can trust on the Asphalt are your driving technique and the car you're holding onto" - Atsuro Kawai





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SolidSnake7735, Touge fanatic, Team SUBSTANCE Leader/Founder.
Slender_Man, Multiple-time LotS Champion, Multiple Undefeated Seasons.
Multiple-time Wangan Masters Champion.
Touge & Wangan Legend... intimidated?
Optomuscrime, just some hobo I met on the street that can tune cars, we pay him in shandwiches...
Che69velle, The Wolf, Team SUBSTANCE Captain, Touge and Wangan driver/tuner, drives cars for a living.
xXHannibaalXx, Rotary Dragon, touge driver and tuner.

Guest Tuners: xXHannibaalXx, Che69velle

Shadow:
SHADOW UPDATE VII

Snake:
Kickin' It Old School
Update III
Spawn of LeMans
GUNDAM
Honda NSX Type-R "Poseidon" UPDATE (touge)
Acura NSX (wangan @400hp)

GTPlanet's Hot Version Touge Showdown:

Touge 200:
Honda Civic SiR-II EG6 "Shingo" (Snake)
Mazda Eunos NA Special Package (Snake)
Toyota MR-S Street GT (Slender)

Touge 300:
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV "Calico" (Snake)
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C Type RA "The Hunter" (Slender)

Touge MAX:
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A "Raiden" (Snake)
Honda NSX Type R' 02 "Susanoo" (Snake)
Nissan GT-R SpecV N1 (Slender)
Nissan Skyline GT-R M-Spec Nur "Shutoko Racer" (Slender)
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI '10 "The Phantom" (Slender)


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PURIST (>460PP, Comfort Soft):
NOTHING HERE, YET...

Class A (>500PP, Sports Hard):

Snake's:
BMW M3 Lime Rock Park Edition
Honda Mugen DC5
Honda Mugen FD2
Honda NSX "Altron Custom"
Honda S2000 "Duct-Tape Master"
Lexus IS300 ICT
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A "Grey Fox"
Mazda RX-8 TypeS "Sandrock Custom"
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV "Calico"
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI T.M.E. "Black Mamba"
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution T9 MR
Nissan Silvia R/t
Nissan SKYLINE Coupe 370GT Type SP '07 "Talgeese III"
Nissan Skyline GT-R BNR34 T-Spec II
RUF 930 Bronson
Toyota Supra RZ-T

Slender's:
Amuse S2000 R1 Titan (LotS Season 3 Undefeated)
BMW 120i Turbo
BMW M3 "Red Raven"
BMW M3 CSL "Blood Hound"
BMW M3 GTR "The Shadow"
BMW Z4 CSL
Ford SVT Lightning "SVT500"
Ford RS200 Evo V2
Honda NSX S Zero "Raptor NA1"
Lancia Delta HF500
Lotus Elise 111R "Speed King"
Nissan Skyline GT-R R32-TB26R
RUF RGT "911 RS-T"
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C Type RA "The Hunter"
Volkswagen Golf "TR6"

Crime's
Mazda Roadster R "Beach Cruiser"

Class B (<450PP, Sports Hard, 2WD):

Snake's:
Honda Integra Type R
Honda 'Mugen' CR-Z
Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA) Special Package) "1600RT"
Mazda RX-7 GT-X FC3S "The White Comet"
Spoon DC2/EK9 "Todou Academy Test Cars"
Toyota GT-86/Scion FRS "Hachi roku"

Slender's:
Amuse SV Titan
Chevrolet SSR-450
DMC DeLorean Flux TS2
Honda Integra Type R (DC5) "Hard Weapon"
Honda Spoon EP3
Honda S2000 AP2 "True Slide"
Lotus Elise "Ill Manors"
Mazda RX-8 Type S "Unhappy Angel"
Spoon Todou CR-Z
Subaru BRZ S "Junsuina"
Toyota GT-86 S.S.
Toyota MR-S Street GT
Toyota MR-S T-Spec

Class C (>420PP, Sports Hard, <1600cc):

Snake's:
Honda Civic SiR-II EG6 "Shingo"
Honda Civic Type R EK9 "Runaway Jury"
Mazda Roadster 1600SC

Slender's:
Citroen Xsara VTR Touge-Sport
Honda Civic Type R (EK) "Dying Star"
Toyota MR2 1600G "Akina Speedster"
Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex "Ghost of Akina"

Touge Unlimited:

Snake's:
Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo "Zeus"
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) "Apollo"
Honda NSX Type R "Poseidon"
Maxda RX-7 Spirit R Type A "Kratos"
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A "Raiden"
Mine's BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R N1 BASE "HADES"
Subaru Sedan WRX STi "Klotho"

Slender's:
Amuse 380RS Super Leggera "No-Crown King"
Bugatti Veyron 16:4 "Solar Crown"
Ferrari California "Exotic Eve"
High End Performance G37 "Crying Pluto"
Lexus ISF "Fallen Blade"
RUF CTR2 "Red Devil"
Mini Cooper S Countryman "Traitor Jack Knife"
Nissan Skyline GT-R M-Spec Nur "Shutoko Racer"
Subaru Impreza WRX STI "Queen's Knight"
Tommy Kaira ZZII "Purple Meteor"

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MIDNIGHT CLUB Class:
510PP
404hp
1050kg
3300cc

Snake's:
Acura NSX '91 "Zafiro"

Slender's:
Acura NSX '91 "Dreamy Ghost"
Mazda Efini RX-7 (FD) '91 "Mr. Sitar"
Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC) '90 "Tail Gunner"

600PP:

Snake's:
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG "Moon Runner"
Nissan Skyline GT-R BCNR33 "The Outlaw"
Toyota Supra RZ "Silver Surfer"

Slender's:
Audi RS6 Avant "Slenderwagen"
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6)"American Ivy"
Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4) "Dark Ringleader"
Lotus Esprit V8 "Midnight Rose"
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A "White Charisma"
Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG "Blue Pressure"
Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG (R230) "Golen Wind"
Shelby Cobra 427 "Hard Lift"

550PP:

Slender's:
Lotus Esprit V8 SE '98 "Shadow Eyes"
Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX (Z31) "Asakura"

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700PP:

Snake's:
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren "Silver Arrow"

Slender's:
Mazda 787B '91 "Group C"
Mazda Furai Concept "Sound of the Wind"
Peugeot 908 HDI FAP '10 "LMP"

650PP:

Snake's:
Gran Turismo Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car "GRIM"

Slender's:
Chaparral 2D
Ferrari 458 Monza
Lamborghini Aventador RG-T
Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 "Storm Trooper"
Nissan Falken "N24 GT-R"
Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 TC "JGTC"


600PP:

Snake's:
Ferrari 458 Italia "Seabiscuit"

Slender's:
Amuse S2000 "GT Titan"
Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT4
Audi RS6 TT
Caterham Fireblade SC600
Ferrari F430 Scuderia "F560"
Lotus Evora Type 124
Nismo GT-R "LM Silhouette"
Nissan GT-R SpecV N1
Nissan MCR GT-R
Wedsport Celica/IS350 GT300

550PP:

Snake's:
BMW M3 GTR "The Thrustmaster"
Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 '69 "Pony Express"
Ferrari 512BB "Berniletta Boxer"
Ford Mustang Mach 1 "Hollow Point"
Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary "Raging Bull"
Lotus Esprit V8 "Wing Zero"
Maserati Granturismo S "Stradale R"
RUF RGT 996 RS-R

Slender's:
Chevrolet Camaro SSX
Ferrari F430 "550 Package"
Ford Escort Rally Car "Cosworth WRC" (RALLY TUNE)
Jaguar XKR Black Pack
Lamborghini Miura SV
Lexus IS200 GT-1 "Sigma"
Mazda Atenza Touring Car
Nissan Skiline GT-R V Spec "R33 M-Spec"
RUF BTR "Blackbird"
Suzuki GSX-R550

500PP:

Slender's:
BMW M Coupe "M500"
Honda HSC '03 "Iron Heart"
Honda Odyssey "Takero RB-1"
Toyota Corolla Levin GT-Apex (AE86) "Hachi Roku N2"

400PP:

Slender's:
Honda Beat Version Z "Type R"

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RALLY

Slender's:
Ford Escort Rally Car "Cosworth WRC"

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Slender's:
BMW M5 "Gatebill Drift Taxi"
Dodge Challenger SRT8 "Synergy"
Ford Mustang Trans-Cammer "Mustang RTX-R"
Nissan Fairlady Z Version S "Zero-33"
Tesla Roadster "Eco-Drifter"

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Snake's
Honda CR-X SiR "Pocket Rocket"
Lexus IS F Racing Concept "Wally, the Green Monster"

Slender's:
Honda "HSV" Insight
Toyota ist 1.5S "IST-R"

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Slender's:
HKS CT230R "Fuji R"
RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7 "Suzuka Rotary
Mine's Lan Evo VI "Tsukuba CP9"

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LotS Class A

xXHannibaalXx's:
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A "Rotary Dragon"

Che69velle's:
Mitsubishi Lan Evo IX GSR "Alpha"
Mitsubishi Lan Evo VI T.M.E. "Bravo"


LotS Class B

Che69velle's:
Nissan Silvia Q's S13 '91 "Charlie"

Constructive Criticism isn't only accepted, it is encouraged.
I hope you all enjoy driving/reviewing our tunes just as much as we enjoy making them. Happy Driving!

Disclaimer:
TheCardboardBox Tuning Company is in no way associated with SONY, Poliphony Digital, or the Playstation brand.
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[shmogt]

A lot of tunes coming up

 

[SolidSnake7735]

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Reviews:

86 GT (S. Shigeno '12 Version) by Fragolas

Amuse R1 TITAN by AudiMan2011

Skyline BNR34 GT-R T-Spec I by CactusOnR

Delta HF500 by DK

Fireblade SC600 by Obsessive Rules

Grey Fox by Maccer_42

Midnight Rose by BolverkGTM; by NoizeboyMugen

Mugen CR-Z by AudiMan2011

The Thrustmaster by Obsessive; by DaDog

Tsukuba CP9 by HenryT

Zeus (Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo) by TakumiFuji01

Testimonials:


The White Comet:

"Finally, I have a FC that I enjoy driving" - HKS Rag3:16​

Zeus (Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo):

"this really is worthy of being named after the god of gods, this really is unbelievably, mindbendly fast" - Onboy123

"...feel like what the s2000 Should feel like...It feel like a racecar around the the nurburgring and the gears is lightning quick." - lldantell​

Aventador RG-T:

"this tune turned this car into a completey different monster" - lldantell​

The Thrustmaster:

"...it's quick, 20 seconds faster than a veyron round the nurburg, it's stable to the point of fun, it has high limits and it knows what it is, it's not trying to take on the BMW v12 lmr, it's competition is more v10 BMW. I'm utterly impressed, tuned car of the year so far..." - Obsessive Rules​

Midnight Rose:

"That is so unreal. It just keeps freaking climbing. Watching that car close in so fast is one of the scariest things I've ever seen in this game." - BolverkGTM​

458 Monza Edition:

"Once you hit the gas, you can see everyone behind you in your rear-view mirror." - Drifted​

Shingo

"I love it!" - HKS Rag3:16

"Man, I just can't get enough of this car! The high revs, just gives you chills! The understeer, was very controllable, and I can apply a lot more throtle while cornering. SolidSnake just won't let us down, and he probably won't! Keep it up!"
SCORE: 95/100 - Mat123​

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[SolidSnake7735]

Touge Rundown Ep.1 - MT AKINA

 

[SolidSnake7735]

GT Auto:

Matte White
No Aero Parts
SSR Professor VF1 (Black)
62.6 Miles
Oil Change​

This is the entry level Lan Evo. It's considerably easier to drive than the later models but with a stck 50/50 torque bias, you have to practice throttle control to minimize understeer. In the hands of an advanced or expert driver, this machine can carve up the mountain roads like no other. Give those GT-R's a run for their money with 4G63+AYC!!!

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Skyline R32-TB26R
Nissan Skyline GT-R V spec II (R32) '94


Skyline R32-TB26R
Nissan Skyline GT-R V spec II (R32) '94
Tale of the Tape:
500PP
383hp/6100rpm | 54ft-lb/4100rpm
1370kg
Model: Premium
Type: Touge

Upgrades:
Weight Reduction Stage 1
Window Weight Reduction
Engine Tuning Stage 1
Low RPM Range Turbo
Transmission: Close Ratio 6 Speed
Twin-Plate Clutch
Semi-Racing Flywheel
F/C LSD
Carbon Propeller Shaft
F/C Suspension
Tyres: Sports Hards

L.S.D.:
8 - 9
15 - 17
10 - 10

Drivetrain: 35 - 65

Suspension:
Height: -13/-13
Spring Rate: 7.0/6.0
Damper Extension: 5/6
Damper Compression: 5/4
Anti-Roll Bars: 4/5
Camber: 2.0/1.8
Tow: -0.25/0.20

Brakes:
7 - 6

NOTES:
The 500PP setup conquered LotS Season 1 and the 480PP setup is still dominating the competition in the Initial D Challenge

Setup By OSE_CAP__SHADOW

 

[SolidSnake7735]

GT Auto:

Milano Red
Enkey RPF01 (Championship White)
Aero; Front A, Rear A
110.0 miles (oil change)​

This car is very stable and a good starting point for anyone looking to get into the touge scene with an FF. It's faster than you might expect for not making 500PP as most LotS Class A vehicles

 

[JackWilson]

good luck man, hopefully we can get some more racers into the Touge community.

 

[TimberW]

T-Spec Garage listed in TOSS now. Thanks for supporting the touge Community!

 

[SolidSnake7735]

(Tips & Tricks)​

Driver Levels Explained!

Tranny's and Diffs

LSD Tuning Philosophy

 

[SolidSnake7735]

T-Spec Garage listed in TOSS now. Thanks for supporting the touge Community!

Thanks and you're welcome! Glad to be a part 👍

good luck man, hopefully we can get some more racers into the Touge community.

thanks bro, thats basically the plan 👍

 

[SolidSnake7735]

GT Auto:

Super Bright Yellow
Advan RGII (polished)
21,187.2 miles (full restore)​

This car is quite a tricky bugger. It's got gobs of usable power and torque at virtually all RPM ranges but since there's so much and the car is rather heavy you need good throttle control to prevent skinning the tires.

 

[SolidSnake7735]

GT Auto:

Deep Burgundy Metallic
Volk TE37 (Championship White)
Aero; Front A, Rear A
110.6 miles (oil change)​

The venerable Integra. This car is extremely lightweight, as it tips the scale at barely 1 metric tonne. With sufficient power and incredible agility, it's unforgiving in the corners. In the right hands, it can out-corner cars far more powerful than it. Throttle control, Precise steering and tricky weight transferring skills are needed to pull out this car's maximum potential.

 

[Slender_Man]

Evora Type 124
Lotus Evora '09

GT Auto:
Oil Change : GT Auto Front A : GT Auto Wing A

Tale of the Tape:
564PP
472hp/7400rpm | 376ft-lb/5400rpm
1102kg
Model: Premium
Type: Grip/Track

Upgrades:
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Carbon Hood: Painted
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports ECU
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Sports Catalytic Converter
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Racing Exhaust
Transmission: F/C
Twin-Plate Clutch
Semi-Racing Flywheel
F/C LSD
Carbon Propeller Shaft
F/C Suspension

Tyres:
Racing: Hard - Soft

Power Limiter:
100%

Transmission:
1st: 2.839
2nd: 1.955
3rd: 1.467
4th: 1.212
5th: 0.995
6th: 0.820
Final: 3.450
Max Speed: 193Mph
(Set Max Speed then Individual Gears)

L.S.D.:
0 - 6
0 - 13
0 - 8

Suspension:
Height: -25/-25
Spring Rate: 15.0/14.7
Damper Extension: 4/7
Damper Compression: 6/6
Anti-Roll Bars: 3/2
Camber: 2.0/2.3
Tow: -0.23/-0.17

Downforce
F - 0 : R - 20

Brakes:
7 - 8

Ballast:
0kg

 

[WhoAteMyRice]

lol the R32 only has 54ft-lbs of torque?

I will get a tune for the Z4, since deep forest is quite faster than the touge races, may make a difference

 

[Slender_Man]

RS200 'Evolution V2'
Ford RS200 '84

GT Auto:
Oil Change

Tale of the Tape:
499PP
385hp/6800rpm | 347ft-lb/5300rpm
1180kg
Model: Standard
Type: Touge

Upgrades:
Engine Tuning Stage 2
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Exhaust
Mid RPM Range Turbo
Transmission: 5 Speed Close Ratio
Torque Center Differential
LSD: F/C
Suspension: F/C

Tyres:
Sports: Hard

Power Limiter:
100%

Transmission:
5 Speed Close Ratio

L.S.D.:
5 - 5
10 - 11
5 - 6

Drivetrain:
40 - 60

Suspension:
Height: -30/-30
Spring Rate: 7.5/7.0
Damper Extension: 3/3
Damper Compression: 4/3
Anti-Roll Bars: 3/2
Camber: 2.4/2.6
Tow: -0.06/0.20

Downforce
No Downforce

Brakes:
6 - 8

Ballast:
0kg

This new revised setup is tuned to run on tyres grading from Sports Hard's and up.
Throttle control is needed a little bit when in banked turns on Sports Hard's, But other than that it is a fantastic car to drive now...

 

[Adrenaline]

Reserved for criticism.

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Matte Dark Green
Gold Chrome BBS

440.3 miles

Notes: R34's are notorious for heavy understeer while cornering at low speeds. Most notable in the 50-80mph/80-140kph range. This car's suspension setup allows the rear to be firmly planted while having enough stroke to handle bumpy roads and direction changes with minimal understeer. All the while the softer front end combined with very limited slippage and responsive torque settings allow the vehicle to have a fast and precise turn-in

UPDATE:
T-Spec II: Most notable changes from T-Spec I to II are the Drivetrain and Suspension settings. The revised LSD settings allow the car to turn in quicker and hug those corners. That, combined with subtly softer front and stiffer rear spring rates, adjusted toe angles and increased suspension stroke with adjusted dampening rates (GT5 Spec II-tested) make for an incredibly fun car that's also faster around corners.

The means justify the ends, and this car is no exception to that saying. As every car requires different handling technique to truly milk the performance out of it, im sure that any GT-R lover, and all other drivers alike, will enjoy this car where it's meant to be driven... on the Touge!!

 

[Slender_Man]

Z4 CSL
BMW Z4 M Coupe '08

GT Auto:
Oil Change

Tale of the Tape:
500PP
382hp/8300rpm | 282ft-lb/5400rpm
1240kg
Model: Standard
Type: Touge

Upgrades:
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Carbon Hood
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Sports Catalytic Converter
Sports Exhaust
Transmission: 6 Speed Close Ratio
Twin-Plate Clutch
Semi-Racing Flywheel
F/C LSD
Carbon Propeller Shaft
F/C Suspension

Tyres:
Sports: Hard

Power Limiter:
100%

Transmission:
6 Speed Close Ratio

L.S.D.:
0 - 7
0 - 9
0 - 8

Suspension:
Height: -20/-20
Spring Rate: 7.2/7.5
Damper Extension: 4/5
Damper Compression: 4/4
Anti-Roll Bars: 3/3
Camber: 2.0/2.2
Tow: -0.10/-0.14

Downforce
No Downforce

Brakes:
7 - 6

Ballast:
0kg

I have again taken one of Solidsnake's old Pre-SpecII tunes and i have brought it up to date.

 

[Slender_Man]

Sigma GT-1
Lexus IS200 GT-1 Race Car '04

GT Auto:
Engine Restore : Chassis Restore

Tale of the Tape:
534PP
383hp/8900rpm | 238ft-lb/7400rpm
1010kg
Model: Standard
Type: Grip/Track

Upgrades:
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Intake Manifold
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Racing Exhaust
High RPM Turbo
Transmission: F/C
F/C LSD
Carbon Propeller Shaft
F/C Suspension

Tyres:
Racing: Hard - Soft

Power Limiter:
100%

Transmission:
1st: 3.300
2nd: 2.250
3rd: 1.660
4th: 1.280
5th: 1.045
6th: 0.875
Final: 4.000
Max Speed: 186Mph
(Set Max Speed, Individual Gears then Final Gear)

L.S.D.:
0 - 13
0 - 15
0 - 12

Suspension:
Height: -25/-25
Spring Rate: 13.5/12.0
Damper Extension: 8/7
Damper Compression: 4/4
Anti-Roll Bars: 5/6
Camber: 1.8/1.5
Tow: -0.12/0.18

Downforce
F - 20 : R - 50

Brakes:
7 - 6

Ballast:
0kg

A lower tier racing car that i think is very underrated so here's my Track tune for it.

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Since i don't have internet strong enough to race online in my new
apartment i've been spending some time tuning cars.
Oddly enough, i haven't been running any FF vehicles so
I wouldn't know about not being able to tune the LSD.
Though FRs and 4WDs have no issue at all.

Funny (kinda) story:

Lan Evo III GSR '95 (Kyoichi Sudo's)
353hp/1058kg/489PP

Impreza Coupe WRX TypeR STi Version VI '99 (Bunta Fujuwara's)
300hp/1095kg/480PP

After about 2-3 hours of running these two cars at Deep Forest
and fine-tuning them and trying out some unorthodox setups
trying to get some consistent lap times i have only this to say:

How in the world is Bunta's car so damn fast with
>50hp less and 40kg more than the Lan Evo?!!

In the end the fastest laps i ran for both cars were 0:00.001 apart.
Can you guess which was faster?

1:28.127
1:28.128

PS: I use DS3, so i wouldn't be surprised if any of y'all are capable
of getting much faster times with either cars using a wheel.

 

[cactusOnR]

Love the idea of touge at the moment. So i need to try a few of your tunes out.

I was trying to tune a touge spec RX8 last night. I started at deep forest by tried doing it online. I just couldn't get the rear end to settle down. I was drifting all over the place. Get one good lap then a few terrible ones. Then took the same car offline and in to grand valley. It felt like a different car. Rear end was planted on the road nicely. Had no idea on and offline were so different.

I was using sport soft and I think the BHP was around 400.
I'll check some of yours out and see how they do.

I'll let you know what I think of then.

 

[TheRahavic]

I've been rolling with Sports: Hard thinking that was the norm for Touge. Correct me if I'm wrong, no sarcasm there honestly curious.

 

[TimberW]

I've been rolling with Sports: Hard thinking that was the norm for Touge. Correct me if I'm wrong, no sarcasm there honestly curious.

There are different views on this. The confusion is to decide on which GT5 tyre is considered a high performance street radial. But currently, the majority has agreed to run the touge on Sports Hard Tyres.

 

[cactusOnR]

I still have a lot to learn about Touge rules. I've seen it pop up in the tuning thread a few times, watch some stuff on Youtube and think it could be a lot of fun to try this out.

I'll have to rethink my RX8 a lot to make it work on sports hard tyres for an online race.

Off to the garage.

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Love the idea of touge at the moment. So i need to try a few of your tunes out.

I was trying to tune a touge spec RX8 last night. I started at deep forest by tried doing it online. I just couldn't get the rear end to settle down. I was drifting all over the place. Get one good lap then a few terrible ones. Then took the same car offline and in to grand valley. It felt like a different car. Rear end was planted on the road nicely. Had no idea on and offline were so different.

I was using sport soft and I think the BHP was around 400.
I'll check some of yours out and see how they do.

I'll let you know what I think of then.

Soft tires do have higher cornering capabilities than a hard compound but when you floor it under heavy G loads they are more susceptible to spinning out than hard tires which would most likely just engage understeer as the front tires would start losing grip first.

This is a double edged sword though, the difference from yielding the most grip from your tires and hearing them scream to the point where you push it a little too far and that awesome cornering sensation suddenly becomes you hurling sideways off the track and onto a barrier varies with tire compound

Hard: What I BELIEVE (this is my opinion, not fact) makes S/H tires ideal for touge is their ability to go from full grip to no grip while maintaining control of the vehicle's dynamics and handling somewhat.

Soft: Since you will be cornering faster with a soft compound, those tires' Mu threshold is higher but once you cross that line you will be going faster than with a hard compound and you have a significantly shorter amount of time to react to this loss of traction. Which in most cases will result in an accident which also entails you lost the race.

Also take into account your car's weight balance and more importantly its torque and power bands. Knowing when to floor it and when to feather it is of utmost importance on the Touge.

Click here to read fairly short Wikipedia article on what Mu means to the Japanese. This is 2-3 minutes worth of reading that will hopefully help you understand your car's control if you can adapt the explanation given herein to Touge racing

 

[SolidSnake7735]

I started at deep forest by tried doing it online. I just couldn't get the rear end to settle down. I was drifting all over the place. Get one good lap then a few terrible ones. Then took the same car offline and in to grand valley. It felt like a different car. Rear end was planted on the road nicely. Had no idea on and offline were so different.

I'll let you know what I think of then.

The most logical reason for just occurred to me while re-reading this. Your suspension is too stiff for Deep Forest. Meaning the you aren't allowing enough stroke for the suspension. Since they are generally slower corners than Grand Valley you need softer springs to allow the dampers to work in unison.

It's all about balance.

All suspension components complement each other.
More on this topic in another entry

 

[joxdj]

Are you going to release the tune for the Imprezza coupe? Id love to try it out!!

 

[cactusOnR]

Thanks for the advice solid.
I've got my RX8 going round deep Forest in 1:27.xxx
It's now set at 500pp on sports hard Tyres. Can't remember the BHP level as I'm away from my ps3 at the moment.
I had to add a little weight after stripping all the weight out I thought I'd be better adding a little weight to get to reduce the PP instead of taking all the the tuning parts off.

U have to say i'm really impressed with how it's running at the moment.
I'm still trying amends to the suspension and LSD to see if I can get it any better but it's not to bad.

I'm checking out a few other people's 500pp touge tunes to to see how mine compares.

 

[Onboy123]

Thanks for the advice solid.
I've got my RX8 going round deep Forest in 1:27.xxx
It's now set at 500pp on sports hard Tyres. Can't remember the BHP level as I'm away from my ps3 at the moment.
I had to add a little weight after stripping all the weight out I thought I'd be better adding a little weight to get to reduce the PP instead of taking all the the tuning parts off.

U have to say i'm really impressed with how it's running at the moment.
I'm still trying amends to the suspension and LSD to see if I can get it any better but it's not to bad.

I'm checking out a few other people's 500pp touge tunes to to see how mine compares.

Wow, haven't you come a long way! 👍 It was barely 2 weeks ago when I received a PM from you on the subject of car and tune reviewing and when I talked a little bit about learning from reviews and the tunes you test. Now you're already putting tunes together!