Theo van Gogh murdered

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Theo van Gogh, Dutch filmmaker, was shot dead in Amsterdam this morning. The death seems to be linked to his creation of the movie Submission, which discusses mysogysm in the Koran. The final verdict on that is not out yet however.

I thought I post it here, because it's not on any foreign news networks yet, although it has been known here for 2 hours.
 
Well, I guess when you release something that controversial regarding a race / religion / creed that does not take to critisism very well, you are pretty much asking for blowback. And unfortunately, it was severe.
 
Just ask Salman Rushdie...

I'm very sorry to hear the news, Arwin. I hope the film gets released anyway. It would be a shame to have his life wasted by having the film suppressed out of fear.

On another note, I would like to point out that Michael Moore still walks the Earth as a free man. Yet it is America that is considered barbaric in the court of world opinion...
 
TwinTurboJay
Well, I guess when you release something that controversial regarding a race / religion / creed that does not take to critisism very well, you are pretty much asking for blowback. And unfortunately, it was severe.
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Yes, no-one should EVER say anything that could be regarded as controversial, because then you'd just be asking for trouble from small-minded halfwits who always look to cause it. Better to do nothing and say nothing.
 
^ Well, at least if life as you know it holds any value to you whatsoever...It is true that some people feel the need to express findings and opinions, and using a medium like movies will effect more people ( obviously ) than a heated conversation at your neighbourhood StarBucks. I have deep feelings about things that I do not express to others mostly because it is my own opinion, and I don't feel the need to press others with it. Hence the coasting through life factor, not offending too many people. I feel life is too short to be bickering the whole time fighting for a lose-lose cause trying to change others deep rooted beliefs / practices.
 
very sad to hear this. We really need strong moderate muslims leaders to put an end to the spreading of extremists.

The only case that I would critic the movie, with a subject such as this, and given the currents events in the middle east, is if it only shows one side of the story, and does not clearly put the events in their context. I know a teenager who was going out with a muslim girl, and when her brothers found out, they severely beated her with a strap. That's just horrible. But all the others muslims. But that's one case in all the muslims I've ever met.

I would't want foreigners to have an opinion on my country based on a movie such as Monster. A shortcut like that is plain stupid, but with the current "war on terror", such shortcuts are easily made in some cases.

But then again, I haven't seen the movie, so I can't tell.

And even if that was the case, those who murdered him are human waste.
 
Ask Salman Rushdie. I don't think it's a racist comment. milefile has already defined the problem as 'radical militant Islam', which is only a subset of the larger Islamic population in general. He doesn't consider every Muslim to be the problem.
 
Now I have to see the movie, if only to honor the sacrifice of the film maker..so INSERT FORCIBLY A FOOTBALL DIPPED IN A LARGE FERAL DISEASED PIGS EXCREMENT into his killers RECTUM.
 
ledhed
Now I have to see the movie, if only to honor the sacrifice of the film maker..so F*&^k his killers in the **S with a football dipped in pig s***T.
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ledhed, for cryin' out loud, you know this is not acceptable language. :grumpy:


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milefile
So Islam is a "race" now?
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Ok, let's do it this way:

Let's use the phrase with different race/religion,

examples:

You better watch what you say about those Jews.
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You better watch what you say about those Catholics.
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You better watch what you say about those Blacks.
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You better watch what you say about those Asians.
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That's what I'm trying to say.
 
///M-Spec
ledhed
Now I have to see the movie, if only to honor the sacrifice of the film maker..so F*&^k his killers in the **S with a football dipped in pig s***T.
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ledhed, for cryin' out loud, you know this is not acceptable language. :grumpy:


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Only if ledhed's spelling has gone to pot. I read:

"so Freak his killers in the BUS with a football dipped in pig snouT"

Self-censored AND 25% too long?

TwinTurboJay
^ Well, at least if life as you know it holds any value to you whatsoever...It is true that some people feel the need to express findings and opinions, and using a medium like movies will effect more people ( obviously ) than a heated conversation at your neighbourhood StarBucks. I have deep feelings about things that I do not express to others mostly because it is my own opinion, and I don't feel the need to press others with it. Hence the coasting through life factor, not offending too many people. I feel life is too short to be bickering the whole time fighting for a lose-lose cause trying to change others deep rooted beliefs / practices.
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Note to self: Use [sarcasm] tags.
 
usernamed
Ok, let's do it this way:

Let's use the phrase with different race/religion,

examples:






That's what I'm trying to say.
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I'm sorry. I identified a group, and everybody knows that's unfair.
 
RacyBacy
I'm sure my Muslim friends would be offended by your comment and think it unfair for you to generalise as you did.
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Am I supposed to care? Tell your Muslim friends to reform their religion. It's not my fault that Islam is more famous for killing than anything else.
 
Am I supposed to care? Tell your Muslim friends to reform their religion. It's not my fault that Islam is more famous for killing than anything else.
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That is harsh. Very harsh.

I only wonder if any cinemas will be brave enough to show it. Especially if the people responsible are still at large.
 
milefile
Am I supposed to care? Tell your Muslim friends to reform their religion. It's not my fault that Islam is more famous for killing than anything else.
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I never supposed you would care. I just thought you would come back with some arrogant and stupid comment. (Which you did). How mature of you.

I will never tell anyone to reform because of their religion - it's what they fundamentally believe and I respect that. What's wrong with being a Muslim - because people like you judge them far too harshly perhaps?

I kind of get the feeling that you have labelled all Muslims as the most famous killers of all time. How out of touch are you?

My thoughts go out to Theo van Gogh.

(And all the innocent Muslims that milefile wants to reform)
 
milefile, switch it to say, a muslim of view, what if all "christians" where labeled to be all like, for example David Coresh ( s/p) , or David Berkowitz, or pretty much any wrong doings that are commited by christians.... You are judging a whole sect based on only negative actions performed by a select few..... to do so is wrong. You must consider the vastness of the muslim population and realize that a few zealots do not speak for the entire group.
 
As I explained earlier, milefile has already defined the problem group as, and I quote, "radical militant Islam".

Are your Islamic friends radical militants? Mine aren't. Therefore I don't consider them covered by milefile's generalization.

And it's partially true that Islam as a whole is responsible for the actions of some Muslims. As a white person, I have never discriminated against a black person in my life by so much as cutting in front of them at a drinking fountain... yet I am expected to bear the guilt of other white people's actions, to whom I am not related and have never met.
 
As a white person, I have never discriminated against a black person in my life by so much as cutting in front of them at a drinking fountain... yet I am expected to bear the guilt of other white people's actions, to whom I am not related and have never met.[/QUOTE]

Good Point !
 
neon_duke
As I explained earlier, milefile has already defined the problem group as, and I quote, "radical militant Islam".
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Maybe he has in another thread. I can't see "radical militant Islam" in any of his posts in this one. Where did milefile say this in this thread or am I blind?

neon_duke
Are your Islamic friends radical militants? Mine aren't. Therefore I don't consider them covered by milefile's generalization.
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I'm glad you don't have radical militant friends. I thank God that I don't either. Bit of a stupid question though - who has radical Muslim friends apart from terrorists? Or were you trying to be smart?

Milefiles generalization covered my "normal" Muslim friends. He said they should reform their religion. I take offence to that never mind them.
 
Milefiles generalization covered my "normal" Muslim friends. He said they should reform their religion. I take offence to that never mind them.
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I have spelled it out here.

This is the enemy. All good Muslims need to realize that. They are hurting you more than anyone.

But you sit passively by, hoping nobody notices, freaking out when anyone else does. Take your religion back from those psychopaths and quit blaming everybody but them.
 
milefile
But you sit passively by, hoping nobody notices, freaking out when anyone else does. Take your religion back from those psychopaths and quit blaming everybody but them.
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Don't you feel responsible for all the murders/crime/rape/whatever that are happening in the states/to Christians/to agnostics/whatever? You really should do something about it.
 

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