Theories on the Paranormal and Cover Ups Part 1

[a6m5]

The question still remains, and I think Blazin brought this up. Who was the other shooter?

I'm not even sure if Oswald was one of the shooters.

Let's say the assassination was orchestrated by the government. Will the government use the actual sniper as the fall guy? Not likely IMO. You want to frame the guy without a clue, so he can't talk.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Hmm two snipers, that clearly is a very good possiblity. I would say that is very plausable, but what happened to the other person?

If it was an inside job, then that person if "safe".

I don't think the Commies would try to start a coup like that, but then again we, the US, did try to do the same thing in Cuba with Castro. Anything is possible.

Neither do I. I believe that this was entirely orchastrated by the US government. I'm guessing what was supposed to happen is Oswald and the accomplice were suppose to shoot simulataneously -- that way it would look like one shot. Either Oswald fired prematurely, or the guy in the grassy knoll couldn't get a good shot and his response was delayed.

What was the motive though? I mean JFK was a popular president among the people. He did many things the people liked, sure he had his critics, every President does. I'm just curious on what you think the motive was.

"Popular" president among the people does not necessarily mean "popular" president among the cabinet. You say "he did many things that the people (the COMMUNIty) liked" -- that could easily be miscontrued (especially given the time period) as Communist/Socialist. That in and of itself could be a motive.

Many people would say that he is still alive but after seeing the video many times I can't see how it's possible.

It is impossible...sadly.

 

[a6m5]

Many people would say that he is still alive but after seeing the video many times I can't see how it's possible.

Is this true? I mean, how is that possible and why was it necessary?

 

[Mecal]

Is this true? I mean, how is that possible and why was it necessary?

just another thing to make it more complicated. ya know, add on a whole 'nother conspiracy theory.

this is an interesting thread btw 👍
as much as i dont agree with some of it

 

[PS]

I believe that this was entirely orchastrated by the US government.

That would explain why so many Kennedy's have died in terrrible accidents.

But why? Why is the family still a target? They never accused the government of killing JFK, so why kill off family members? Unless they were targeting specific ones who knew something. And no I haven't quite looked up much of this yet, I'm simply posing a quesiton or two.

But I still think it was just some radical psycho going off on his own poor instincts.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

That would explain why so many Kennedy's have died in terrrible accidents.

But why? Why is the family still a target? They never accused the government of killing JFK, so why kill off family members?

I have no idea, honestly.

Unless they were targeting specific ones who knew something. And no I haven't quite looked up much of this yet, I'm simply posing a quesiton or two.

But I still think it was just some radical psycho going off on his own poor instincts.

Possibly.

 

[69Dodge_Charger]

The more I think about the JFK assasination, the more I believe that it was either an inside job or had something to do with the mob. I mean when I think about it, who would really want Kennedy dead. I mean sure there were a bunch of people going for Kerry in the recent elections, but no one has shot Bush yet and JFK was probably more liked than him.

Then again, in this day and age you can never be to sure about things.

 

[Joey D]

And inside job seems very likely and I'm starting to believe that as well. I think the Kennedy family starter to know to much and maybe ask question, that is why they are being killed off. One family can't have that much go wrong with them over what 40 years?

Any ways, since the JFK thing isn't drawing to much hoopla, maybe we should shift gears again to get a more lively discussion going on?

 

[PS]

Rods. What are "rods"? They're things that fly around, pass through solid objects, and are neither confirmed to be alien nor bug nor bird or energy or what. Noone knows what they are, but everyone seems to think a) the Government created them, or b) they're aliens. There are very few videos, but a couple have been shown of a bunch around a cave, one flying through something at a picnic and a couple more. I suggest you guys look it up a bit before discussing, but these certainly are paranormal.

 

[Joey D]

http://www.roswellrods.com/pre.html

Some videos may be found here. I'm still reading up on them a little bit more.

 

[69Dodge_Charger]

This is an interesting topic. I did find this website, some say it could just be a certain type of bug that is being caught in a certain motion while flying or something along those lines. Linkage

Edit: I also found this site, which has some pretty convincing evidence about these "rods". Oh, and if you're into astronomy, this guy has some really cool photos of different things at the bottom of the page. It's under the link Stars@night by Shannon L. Story. Linkage times two.

 

[bfifteenv]

Read this... This is the results of an investigation into UFOs and other "paranormal" events by an engineer that works for a major U.S. gov't research contractor. If there are UFOs, I'm afraid the gov't knows as much about them as the rest of us do.

 

[PS]

Read this... This is the results of an investigation into UFOs and other "paranormal" events by an engineer that works for a major U.S. gov't research contractor. If there are UFOs, I'm afraid the gov't knows as much about them as the rest of us do.

And you really think they'd let on that they know more than we think? Give me a break. God, all this paranormal stuff drives me nuts. Just way too many what-if's and variables. I wonder if there's anything out there that could actually explain half this crap. Maybe some new device will be invented, or some person who actually IS psychic...blah blah blah...

Except ghosts. I'm pretty sure those are real.

 

[stumpydino]

hey heres loads more vids and pics of theses flying rods, it would appear that it is just flying insects that move faster than the shutter speed of the camera so are blurred and repeated in one frame

 

[Solid Fro]

Does anyone remember the "Phoenix Lights" in 1997? I remember watching it on the news that night. In my opinion, it is the best evidence of an unidentified flying object, as hundreds of people saw the same object.

http://www.ufodigest.com/phoenix.html
http://www.lightsoverphoenix.com/

 

[oosacker]

http://www.zetatalk.com/ has some answers (if you believe it)

also of interest:

http://www.drboylan.com/
http://www.galactic-server.com/language/

 

[a6m5]

Does anyone remember the "Phoenix Lights" in 1997? I remember watching it on the news that night. In my opinion, it is the best evidence of an unidentified flying object, as hundreds of people saw the same object.

http://www.ufodigest.com/phoenix.html
http://www.lightsoverphoenix.com/

It was reported on the News here in Portland, also. I remember them reporting that someone contacted the Air Force, but the USAF wouldn't take any actions to check it out. From what I understand, there are many mass sightings of UFOs around the world, especially in Mexico for some reason. It's my belief that most of the UFO sighting/abduction cases are faked or mistaken. However, there are so many credible sighting cases, that I have no doubt in my mind, some sort of super hitech crafts are flying around our air space.

 

[stumpydino]

i dunno if any of you have heard of this, but it is apparently the largest mass sighting in history called "the battle of los angeles" anyway check it out here

 

[oosacker]

After reading on the subject of ufo for a while, I now think that countries such as USA/UK have secret areas of the government that researches and makes contact to ufos. In USA they are called MJ12 (majestic 12). All this started after the Roswell thing in 1947.

I also read that in sercret labs that research ufos (area 51 etc) they do work on anti-gravity, holographic portals, invisibility/clooaking etc.

The aliens are coming to mostly to Earth to warn us that we are leading a path to self destruction (pollution, wars, corruption...)

John F Kennedy was aparently assassinated by MJ12 because he wanted to go public about Roswell.

 

[a6m5]

I don't think the Roswell incident involved any alien craft. I have very hard time believing that, extraterrestrials who possessed advanced enough technology to visit earth, crashed and died in.............. New Mexico? Even if they did crash, How could they not have some sort of safety/ejection devices to save them?

 

[oosacker]

From zetatalk.com

ZetaTalk: Roswell

Roswell is all the rage here in the United States. It is the flag-bearer in the parade of those who march to learn the truth. The facts are well known, and the facts that are known relate almost completely to the truth. This is a true story. What is not well known is that Roswell was not an accident.

At that time, within the United States, many alien groups wanted a dialog with the United States government. We chose the United States because of its leadership in the community of nations. The United States was and is sticking its nose into every activity throughout the globe. We knew we could rely on the United States to be the message bearer for any message the alien groups wished to get out. The United States, as other governments, was not approachable. Individuals who were contacted by the alien groups were treated as though they were infected. They were not listened to. The block in these matters was the human desire to be in control. Therefore, in order to allow the humans in the United States government to be open to our messages, we allowed them to be in control. Several entities within the alien groups trying to contact the United States government volunteered to be of service. They expected to die. The plan was to allow ships to crash, ostensibly at the hands of humans. This maximized the feeling of control the humans would experience, particularly as the front end of any contact was, unfortunately, through the military. Once they felt they could harm us, they were willing to parley.

The rumor that delicate flowers, in shades of white and yellow, were found etched into the impermeable metal on the inside of the crashed ship is true. Were these wall decorations to remind the homesick travelers of flowers in their homeland? Yes. Just as humans decorate their homes with those items that are powerful reminders and trigger emotions, the better to become lost in delicious reverie, just so these travelers carried with them a reminder of their home planet, so far away and, in the case of those setting out to create the Roswell crash, never to be seen again. They sacrificed themselves at Roswell not because they had nothing to lose, but because of what they hoped the Earth would gain.

The recent Roswell movie adheres closely to the facts, but has added material for dramatic effect and omitted other material at the request of the government. For instance, one is led to believe that all the aliens died, yet EBE lived for a time. Your government is telling you these stories based on your reactions, and the reaction to Roswell, the movie, was favorable. More details to follow. The movie presented true facts in what appeared to be a series of letters or symbols etched into the ship's metal frame. Just as you have key phrases that elicit emotion and are often displayed for this reason, the aliens who sacrificed their lives at Roswell had etched such a phrase on their ship. This phrase, a true likeness of which is above, simply stated that though they were a long way from home, that home awaited their return. You have similar phrases - home is where the heart is, and there is no place like home. Where this fact is true, the symbols shown in the movie were not a replica of the symbols found. The producer was not given access to the actual symbols, and just put together combinations that would have some familiarity to people. The producer reasoned that such symbols would then strike a chord in most viewers, and set them to wondering, which it did.

The Roswell movie used dramatic effect in the degree to which Major Marcel showed material to his family, and the cavalier attitude he took toward announcing all this to the public. He knew full well what he had come upon in that field, and the impact informing the public would have. UFO's were not unknown to those at the Roswell base, and the heavy hand suppressing chatter had already been felt. He agonized, and informed his family furtively. The rancher, Mac Brazel, also is shown as having a virtual tea party when taken into custody by the military regarding his mouth. After some blustering, supposedly, he got bought off with a truck. In fact, he was abused extensively, in the many ways that leave no marks, and finally told frankly that he and his family would be killed unless he complied. The truck was less his desire for a bribe than it was the only avenue by which he could get the word out. Why would the military need to buy him off? People appropriately wondered, and came to the correct conclusions.

Were people silenced via death during the Roswell incident? Yes, and more than the public suspects.

 

[Solid Fro]

Majestic 12 sounds a lot like La Li Lu Le Lo.

La Li Lu what, you say? Go play Metal Gear Solid.

Some good info on Majestic 12:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/mj12.html

 

[oosacker]

http://majesticdocuments.com I think was a site that some more info.

Also:

Revelations concerning MJ-12

[from Colonel Steve Wilson, USAF (ret.), former director of Project Pounce, 10/12/96:]


MJ-12 is an ULTRA TOP SECRET research and development Intelligence operation. MJ-12was established by President Truman on September 24, 1947. Later, MJ-12 was set up as a "Committee" inside the National Security Council (NSC) by President Eisenhower in 1954 by Secret Executive Order, "Order Number 54-12". The NSC called this group the "54-12 Committee", with the President having responsibility to approve all "Black" (covert) projects.

The MJ-12 Group since then, has been called the "Special Committee"; the "303 Committee" and currently the "40 Committee". It is described as the "Directorate" of the NSC. The "40 Committee" (PI-40) has access to advanced technology and teams to conduct "the cover-ups". In the past, this committee was headed by Dr. Henry Kissenger (Code name: "The Overseer").

OPERATION MAJORITY - CR-20M7/6.2 - FILE: MTR/K-25 MWC/JL - AFMWC/1972USN

Operation Majority is the name of the operation responsible for every aspect, project and all consequences of Alien presence on earth.

MAJESTY was listed as the code name for the President of the United States for communications concerning this information.

GRUDGE contains 16 volumes of documented information collected from the beginning of the United States investigation of the Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO's) and Identified Alien Crafts (IACs). The project was funded by the CIA, (confidential funds, non-appropriated) and money from the illicit drug trade. (It was rumored in the higher echelon's of the Air Force that participation in the illegal drug trade was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak elements of our society.)

The purpose of GRUDGE was to collect all scientific, technological, medical and intelligence information from UFO & IAC sightings as well as contacts with Alien Life Forms. This orderly file of collected information has been used to advance the United States Air Force Space Program, (ULTRA TOP SECRET).

JASON SOCIETY (Jason Scholars) Former President Eisenhower commissioned a secret society known as the Jason Society (or Jason Scholars) under the leadership of the following; Director of Central Intelligence, Allen Welsh Dulles, Dr Zbigniew Brzezinski, President of the Trilateral Commission from 1973 until 1976, and Dr. Henry Kissenger, leader of the scientific effort, to sift through all the facts, evidence, technology, lies and deceptions and find the truth of the Alien question. The society was made up of thirty two (32) of the most prominent men in the USA.

MJ-12 is the name of the secret control group inside the Jason Society. The top 12 members of the 32 members of the Jason Society were designated as MJ-12. MJ-12 has control of everything. They are designated by the code J-1, J-2, J-3, etc. all the way through the members of the Jason Society. The director of Central Intelligence was appointed J-1 and is the Director of the MJ-12 group. MJ-12 use to only be responsible to the President of the United States (not true anymore). The actual cost of funding the Alien connected projects is higher than anything you could imagine! Believe it or not, MJ-12 runs most of the worlds illegal drug trade. This was done to hide funding and thus keep the secret from congress and the people of the United States. It was justified in that it would identify and eliminate the weak and undesired elements of our society.

A secret meeting place was constructed for the MJ-12 group in Maryland and is only accessible by air. It contains full living, recreational, and other facilities for the MJ-12 group and the Jason Society. It is code named "The Country Club". The land for The Country Club was donated by the Rockerfeller family. Only those with ULTRA TOP SECRET - MAJI clearances are allowed to go there.

MAJI - Majority Agency for Joint Intelligence. All information, disinformation, and intelligence is gathered and evaluated by this agency. This agency is responsible for all disinformation and operates in conjunction with the CIA, NSA, DIA, and the Office of Naval Intelligence. This is a very powerful organization and all Alien projects are under its control. MAJI is responsible only to MJ-12. MAJIC is the security classification and clearance of all Alien connected material, projects, and information.

MAJIC - means MAJI-controlled (MAJI plus Controlled = MAJIC)

NOTE: MJ-1 is the classification for the Director of MAJI, who is the Director of the CIA and reports only to the President. Other members of MAJI are designnated MJ-2, MJ-3, etc. This is why there is some confusion about references of MJ-12, the group or MJ-12 the person.

* Designation for MJ-12, the group are MAJI or MAJIC * Designation in official documents about MJ-12 means the person only.

In 1947, PROJECT SIGN was created to acquire as much information as possible about UFO's, their performance characteristics and their purposes. In order to preserve security, liason between Project Sign and MJ-12 was limited to two individuals within the intelligence division of the Air Material Command whose roll was to pass along certain types of information through channels. Project Sign evolved Project Grudge in December of 1948. Project Grudge had an overt civilian counterpart named PROJECT BLUE BOOK, with which we are all familiar. Only "Safe" reports were passed to Project Blue Book.

MJ-12 was originally organized by General George C. Marshall in July 1947 to study the Roswell-Magdalena UFO crash recovery and debris. Admiral Hillenkoetter, director of the CIA from May 1, 1947 until September 1950, decided to activate the "Robertson Panel," which was designed to monitor civilian UFO study groups that were appearing all over the country. He also joined NICAP in 1956 and was chosen as a member of its board of directors. It was from this position that he was able to act as the MJ-12 "Mole", along with his team of other covert experts. They were able to steer NICAP in any direction they wanted to go. With the "Flying Saucer Program" under complete control of MJ-12 and with the physical evidence hidden away, General

Marshall felt more at ease with this very bizarre situation. These men and their successors have most successfully kept most of the public fooled up to the present, including much of the western

world, by setting up false experts and throwing their influence behind them to make their plan work, with considerable success until now.

Within 6 months of the Roswell crash on July 2, 1947 and the finding of another crashed UFO at San Augustine Flats near Magdelena, New Mexico on July 3, 1947, a great deal of reorganization of agencies and shuffling of people took place. The main thrust behind the original "Security Lid", and the very reason for its construction, was the analysis and attempted duplication of the technologies of the discs. The activity was headed up by the following groups.

* The Research and Development Board (R&DB)

* Air Force Research and Development (AFRD)

* The Office of Naval Research (ONR)

* CIA Office of Scientific Intelligence (CIA-OSI)

* NSA Office of Scientific Intelligence (NSA-OSI)

No single one of these groups knew the whole story. Each group was to know only the parts that MJ-12 allowed them to know. MJ-12 also operates through the various civilian intelligence and investigative groups. The CIA and FBI are manipulated by MJ-12 to carry out their purposes. The NSA was created in the first place to protect the secret of the recovered flying discs, and eventually got complete control over all communication intelligence. This control allows the NSA to monitor any individual through mail, telephone, telexes, telegrams, and now through on-line computers, monitoring private and personal communications as they may desire.

THE "MAJIC PROJECTS"

SIGMA is the project which first established communications with the Aliens and is responsible for communications.

PLATO is the project responsible for Diplomatic Relations with the Aliens. This project secured a formal treaty with the aliens.

AQUARIUS is the project which compiled the history of the Alien presence and interaction on Earth and the HOMO SAPIENS.

GARNET is the project responsible for control of all information and documents regarding the Alien subjects and accountability of their information and documents.

PLUTO is a project responsible for evaluating all UFO and IAC information pertaining to space technology.

POUNCE project was formed to recover all downed and/or crashed craft and Aliens. This project provided cover stories and operations to mask the true endeavor, whenever necessary. Covers which have been used were crashed experimental aircraft, construction, Mining, etc. This project has been successful and is ongoing today.

NRO is the National Reconnaissance Organization based at Fort Carson, Colorado. It's responsible for security on all Alien or Alien Spacecraft connected to the projects.

DELTA is the designation for the specific arm of NRO which is especially trained and tasked with security of all MAJI projects. It's a security team and task force from NRO especially trained to provide Alien tasked projects and LUNA security (Also has the CODE NAME: "Men In Black" [MIB]). This project is ongoing.

BLUE TEAM is the first project responsible for reaction and/or recovery of downed and/or crashed Alien craft and/or Aliens. This was a U.S. Air Force Material Command project.

SIGN is the second project responsible for collection of intelligence and determining whether Alien presence constitutes a treat to the U.S. National Security. SIGN absorbed the BLUE TEAM project. This was a U.S. Air Force and CIA project.

REDLIGHT was the project to test fly recovered Alien craft. This project was postponed after every attempt resulted in the destruction of the craft and death of the pilots. This project was carried out at AREA 51, Groom Lake, (Dreamland) in Nevada. Project REDLIGHT was resumed in 1972. This project has been partially successful. UFO sightings of craft accompanied by Black Helicopters are Project REDLIGHT assets. This project is now ongoing at AREA 51 in Nevada. (Believed to have moved to Mexico at this time for testing).

SNOWBIRD was established as a cover for Project Redlight. A "Flying Saucer" type aircraft was built using conventional technology. It was unveiled to the press and flown in public on several occasions. The purpose was to explain accidental sightings or disclosures of Redlight as having been Snowbird crafts. This was a very successful disinformation operation. This project is only activated when needed. This deception has not been used for many years. This project is currently in mothballs, until it is needed again.

BLUE BOOK was a U.S. Air Force, UFO, and Alien Intelligence collection and disinformation project. This project was terminated and its collected information and duties were absorbed by project Aquarius. A classified report named "Grudge/Blue Book, Report Number 13" is the only significant information derived from the project and is unavailable to the public.

(from drboylan.com)

 

[Solid Fro]

The more I read into MJ12, the more it sounds like disinformation. Oh, the conspiracy!

Aliens are just tree-hugging hippies.

 

[oosacker]

yes its wierd.

 

[s13drifting]

in the pictures on the moon the flag is waving also.

 

[oosacker]

???