Third US school shooting in a week.

[jammyozzy]

BBC
Sky

"At least six people are dead and three critical - all of them young girls - after a gunman opened fire at an Amish school in Pennsylvania. Four girls aged six to 12 were shot in the head.

The killer is also believed to have died."

What is going on? Three shootings in a week is absolutely horrendous.

My thoughts go out to all the victims families.

 

[Dave A]

Damn, thats all screwed. If I could ask these people hat do this one question it would simply be "why?" My thoughts go to the families.

 

[Max Powers]

Yeah, I was just watching this on the news this morning. It's sick that they'd decide to do it in a one room Amish school. The Amish people are very quiet and peaceful and I'm sure it's quite a shock to the community for somebody to come into a place that they thought was secure with guns blazing.

Some people are just disgusting, and I always get mad when ****s like the shooter take their own lives because they deserve the worst punishment imaginable for the remainder of their lives.

 

[ledhed]

The dude is totally off his rocker...its about something that happened 25 years ago and only wanted to kill young girls....


One sick mother.

It on live right now ( I live in PA .)

I am actually getting sick.... this is way beyond WTF ????

 

[Swift]

And people wonder why I'm an advocate FOR the death penalty...

 

[ledhed]

Swift you need to have the death penalty for this idiot ahead of time for it to have done any good ...

If you believe in praying thats all you can do now .


This is too close to home for me...my dad is about 15 miles away or less. Not that it matters...crazy dudes are everywhere....🤬


I not only feel for the victims but for the troopers who had to go in and deal with the aftermath and have some of these kids die in their arms s.



Ahhh wtf ... I gotta go ...

 

[Swift]

Swift you need to have the death penalty for this idiot ahead of time for it to have done any good ...

If you believe in praying thats all you can do now .

I know that. What I mean is simply that there are crimes very worthy of the death penalty.

 

[ledhed]

He gave it to himself and unfortunately the others.

 

[exigeracer]

This is terrible. Also scary is how far these things are to preventable. There will always be nuts, and there will always be guns. It's sad.

 

[ledhed]

And there will allways be victims .

 

[ND4SPD]

Jesus ****. Whats wrong with people these days?! There are way too many school shootings recently. Hell its making me a little paranoid going to highschool recently. This ain't right. A school is supposed to be a safe place for children, school shootings are just way too messed up.

 

[Tornado]

I can see that Hillary and Thompson (nostly Thompson, I expect) having a field day with this. Such a shame that not only is such tragic events happen, but also how they will be exploited.

 

[Delirious]

And I remember when Columbine happened and how everyone was in tears over it...seems now that school shootings are becoming more and more normal and something that someone would now read in the paper and say "well there's another one, so how did the Bengals do?"

 

[Omnis]

Amish people are allowed to use guns?

Anyway, there are plenty of sick and/or super-depressed people in schools. There've been times where I've felt like throwing desks across rooms and crap while at school. It's easy to get super pissed off and thrown into dark, dark depressions. Unfortunately, it seems as thought the first recent shooting has snapped others into crossing the line and commiting murders of their own.

 

[DuckRacer]

WTF, what is up with all the shootings?!? This is now four in 6 weeks.

And who'd want to kill the Amish?!?

All I can say is that I'm glad I'm homeschooled.

 

[Omnis]

Yeah, I'm gonna start wearing kevlar to school.




...especially on my crotch.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

I know that. What I mean is simply that there are crimes very worthy of the death penalty.

While I agree wholeheartedly with that, some crimes are better given life sentences, because for some crimes, quick, painless execution is too good for them. Life sentences let the other inmates take good care* of the offender. It's all about karma.


*and by "good care", I mean regular beatings and various forms of abuse until they are shanked or killed in prison.

I'm sorry if I sound incredibly cold about this, but there are some things you just don't do, under any circumstances. Period. If you do, you should get whatever's coming to 'ya.

 

[Casio]

I do have to ask. Why do these almost entirely happen in America? Is it because of the gun laws?

I think a few may have happened in Germany in the last few years, but the rest of the world doesn't seem to have this problem.

 

[Gabkicks]

And people wonder why I'm an advocate FOR the death penalty...

he probably exhibited signs of mental illness that went ignored for years. then he finally snapped. and the result is a shooting. To some people there are worse things than death.

 

[Touring Mars]

The rest of the world does have this problem - although arguably not quite to the same extent - you just have to look at the recent (repeat) incident in Canada, the terrible Dunblane massacre in Scotland, or any of these incidents to appreciate that this is not a uniquely US phenomenon... although, why the US seems to suffer from this problem more than other countries is a moot point - proliferation of guns, gun laws and the media certainly play a role, but arguably social care and care of the mentally ill also plays a role too - merely giving someone the opportunity to do something like this is not enough to explain why it happens - there is always a motive too, and the reasons behind those (and the reasons that they are not spotted or acted upon before something terrible does happen) are more complex than simply blaming it on gun culture.

As for this particular incident, it is very sad - executing the most defenceless members of a most peaceful community was a sadistic act.

 

[Dave A]

While I agree wholeheartedly with that, some crimes are better given life sentences, because for some crimes, quick, painless execution is too good for them. Life sentences let the other inmates take good care* of the offender. It's all about karma.


*and by "good care", I mean regular beatings and various forms of abuse until they are shanked or killed in prison.

I'm sorry if I sound incredibly cold about this, but there are some things you just don't do, under any circumstances. Period. If you do, you should get whatever's coming to 'ya.

I understand your point but why should you or I have to pay to keep these people alive in prison?

 

[Casio]

Why should you pay to keep anyone alive in prison? It's not your fault they robbed a bank, shot an old lady or committed fraud. You're going to be paying for criminals in prison regardless of who they are.

 

[Gabkicks]

some experts on the subject argue that it is often more expensive to sentence someone to death and carry through than it is to take care of them for life. I havent done research myself. i wonder who here has.

 

[FoolKiller]

some experts on the subject argue that it is often more expensive to sentence someone to death and carry through than it is to take care of them for life. I havent done research myself. i wonder who here has.

The only things I have ever seen compare costs of keeping a prisoner for 60 years compared to the costs of court appeals for years. The studies assume that no life sentence ever gets appealed and that the prisoner is in perfect health until the day they die. Having never seen a thorough study it is impossible to say. A thorough study would have to take in to account at least one or two appeals, probably even three and then geriatric care at a certain point, which can be more than triple the cost of keeping a healthy prisoner.

As of this point in time I have never seen anything that is thorough enough to be taken as fact, just studies done one way or another to try and defend positions.


As for this shooting, it is terrible but the facts seem to keep changing. I wish the media would not be so quick to report rumors. Other problems I had were that CNN Headline News yesterday began talking about how the closest the Amish community has ever come to law FBI was when they filmed the movie "Witness" in the 80s. Somehow this lead into a discussion of whether they felt they were properly represented in that film. What did that have to do with the shooting?

Then last night the local news was reporting on the story and the reporter finished and then threw in the line, "And law enforcement officials said that the weapons used were all legal." AND? What did that have to do with anything? It was a reporter throwing in a quick personal political note. There was a school shooting, so let's ban guns. Because as 9/11 showed us you can only commit violent acts with guns, right?

Through thsi whole thing teh media has made me sick as they have completely forgotten to stay on topic otr have thrown in political commentary. The story is the tragic shooting of young girls at a school. The only side note is that it was an Amish school, making it a very soft target and that teh gunman was doing it for a revenge of some form, which may or may not have had something to do with the Amish community. The media has been grasping outside of that because this is not a student that played video games or listened to death metal, but a family man who left a note for his wife and kids explaining why he did this. It doesn't fit the normal profile so they are trying to go with anything they can.

 

[Dave A]

some experts on the subject argue that it is often more expensive to sentence someone to death and carry through than it is to take care of them for life. I havent done research myself. i wonder who here has.

If after being sentenced they just took them to a quite room and hung them it definitely wouldn't be more expensive.

 

[FoolKiller]

If after being sentenced they just took them to a quite room and hung them it definitely wouldn't be more expensive.

But then you would be denying them due process through appeals. What if new technology came along and proved their innocence or new evidence was found that brought up a new suspect?

As much as I would love to have the guilty over and done with in no time at all I hate the idea that the innocent who had a bad day in court or whatever don't have a second chance to prove it.

 

[Swift]

But then you would be denying them due process through appeals. What if new technology came along and proved their innocence or new evidence was found that brought up a new suspect?

As much as I would love to have the guilty over and done with in no time at all I hate the idea that the innocent who had a bad day in court or whatever don't have a second chance to prove it.

I agree with that 100%. But in the case of this piece of slime, that wouldn't apply. If he could've been taken alive, it would've been an open and shut case.

There are many cases involving murder that could very well have a "CSI" twist to prove the primary suspects innocence. But I think there are just as many that can be put to death with all certainty.

 

[FoolKiller]

I agree with that 100%. But in the case of this piece of slime, that wouldn't apply. If he could've been taken alive, it would've been an open and shut case.

There are many cases involving murder that could very well have a "CSI" twist to prove the primary suspects innocence. But I think there are just as many that can be put to death with all certainty.

Laws are confusing enough without making contingencies for certain types of situations. I'd rather they get to rot a bit than have our politicians cause a loophole of some sort when they were trying to speed things along.

 

[Swift]

Laws are confusing enough without making contingencies for certain types of situations. I'd rather they get to rot a bit than have our politicians cause a loophole of some sort when they were trying to speed things along.

If we get a scumbag on tape shooting children or a good amount of eye witnesses to such an event and he/she doesn't fry...then we have no justice in our system.

Again, I'm not saying that all the situations are the same. And I understand your room for consideration. But I still think we should keep all the chairs in good working order.

 

[FoolKiller]

If we get a scumbag on tape shooting children or a good amount of eye witnesses to such an event and he/she doesn't fry...then we have no justice in our system.

I take solace knowing that most cops shoot these guys on sight or they shoot themselves and time isn't wasted in a courtroom.

Again, I'm not saying that all the situations are the same. And I understand your room for consideration. But I still think we should keep all the chairs in good working order.

I think everyone should get due process and equally fair treatments in court, but if the chairs need work I have some tools and time I can volunteer.