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- Herimopp89
there is a race tonight for GR2
Thursday Night Practice (Formerly Driving School)
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there is a race tonight for GR2
- 936
- Earth
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I'm roaming about on the controller before I sleep.
DesertPenguin
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And is every single person ever gonna be in that lobby? Lol, so I guess if you're in that race just ignore me as usual. If not, maybe we can practice
I think heri was just letting you know there might not be a lot of people on practicing tonight.
I should have a miata room open for about half an hour and then I'll be practicing Gr3.
This all depends on what my wife and daughter have planned for me.
DesertPenguin
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I know what he was saying, I'm just messing with him. All good 
- 3,016
- Louisville Ky
- RlNSKY I is an L
I was on RS the entire race.
I'm happy to know at least I'm doing something right here by concerning myself with overall adv lap times and others are doing the same thing even if it looks and feels like nobody else is.
I keep telling myself I've only been serious about online racing for two years and less than a year of that time has been on a wheel setup. The one thing I see that remains almost constant is very fast people like yourself have been at this for a long time.
To know that if someday I can be as consistent and fast as yourself that there is still a whole another level to reach for after that goal is achieved is very humbling but motivating too.
I always feel like I've accomplished something when I can run with the fast people during our races even if it's only for a few laps because of how good they are. I see so much talent spread out through ARL and it one of the reasons I enjoy racing with everyone.
I'm definitely not getting any worse but I have reached the point where progress is slower now.
Christmas Vacation is one of my favorite movies of all time.
The fact you would take time to do something like this means more than you could ever imagine.
I have so much to work towards now I'm excited to get started even though I know the process will be slow.
I honestly can't thank you and everyone else enough for the help. It really means a lot.
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Is there an ideal guide for Gr.4 cars around Spa? Or perhaps suggested someone's best, consistent lap.
I watched the replay last night and it seems that I'm lacking speed in certain corners but no idea which ones that resulted me in being pretty slow and inconsistent.
I watched the replay last night and it seems that I'm lacking speed in certain corners but no idea which ones that resulted me in being pretty slow and inconsistent.
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- Herimopp89
Silver lobby replay is shared in game
- 3,016
- Louisville Ky
- RlNSKY I is an L
I will take a look between yours and mine tomorrow.
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- 3,016
- Louisville Ky
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If we can find some time tomorrow. I will open up a practice lobby with the race Settings and maybe we can run some laps together. That's the best way I know to help.
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- ARL_TexasJDC
Check out David perel on YouTube he normally has some really good stuff
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- Lebanon PA
- Herimopp89
A good consistent lap around spa wouldve been 2:29.5
Atleast that was what my target time was
Atleast that was what my target time was
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- socal
- SAMHAIN85
Some things to think about before I breakdown the laps:
R= Rinsky
S= SAMHAIN
If you click play simultaneously on both of these videos youll be able to watch a side by side comparison of each lap.
Turn 1 brake
R:
S:
Both on brakes at about the same spot. I might be on them slightly later looking at the speedometer's
T1 100% off brakes
R:
S:
Screenshots show when we have exactly 0 brake input. You are off brakes well before I am, while I applied brakes almost to the apex. I used quite a bit of trail braking.
T1 exit:
R:
S:
We're both on the same trajectory after T1 apex. It looks like I'm on the gas slightly earlier.
Sector 1 split:
R:
S:
After 1 turn I am already 1/2 second up on you. Notice the speed differential: 121mph vs 123 mph
R: 20.876
S: 20.381(-.495)
T2:
R:
S:
At the bottom of the hill you let off the throttle and lose a lot of time right there. Taking this section with 100% throttle while not cutting the track is certainly doable. 128mph vs 134mph
T3 brake:
R:
S:
After getting a tow from Herri down the straight, I was on the brakes long before you were. Again, I was concentrating on conserving tires and trying to keep from using 100% brake as much as possible. 136mph vs 148mph
T3 apex:
S:
We're on the same line through the apex. While you're slightly faster, its all for nothing if you dont get setup for the upcoming S turns.
T4 apex:
R:
S:
You're still slightly faster but were still on the same line.
T4 exit / T5 entry:
S:
So even though you carried more speed than I did through the first series of these turns; you hung yourself out to dry and struggled to bring the car back to the left side of the track to setup for the next right hand turn. 77mph vs 82mph
T5 apex:
R:
S:
I'm almost a half car length inside than you are all due to setting up the turn on a tighter line. You can also see with the red dot that I'm not even at full lock. The phrase slow in fast out is something to think about through here. 83mph vs 87mph
Sector 2 split:
R:
S:
R: 60.259
S: 58.514 (-1.745)
I'm now up almost 2 full seconds and were barely a minute into the lap. Small imperfections staring to add up.
T6 brake:
R:
S:
You're on the brakes later than I am while I'm trying to save tires. Your brake point seems fine though
T6 apex:
R:
S:
I'm taking a slightly tighter line than you (and traveling a shorter distance)
T6 exit:
R:
S:
Exit seems fine
T7 brake:
R:
S:
Were on the brakes at about the same time. I'm carrying a little more speed though
T7 apex:
R:
S:
I'm on a slightly tighter line which allowed me to get on the gas quicker
Sector 3 split:
R:
S:
R: 77.343
S: 75.531 (-1.812)
T8 brake:
R:
S:
Again on the brakes early
T8 apex:
R:
S:
Same lines and speed
T8 exit:
R:
S:
Same exit speeds. I dont think you lost anytime through this section.
Sector 4 split:
R:
S:
R: 92.659
S: 90.714 (-1.945)
I only gained 1 tenth on you from the previous sector splits
T9 brake:
R:
S:
I'm on the brakes well before you are
T9 apex:
R:
S:
Again I'm on a much tighter line than you are which allows me to get on the gas earlier
T9 exit:
R:
S:
I'm set up further right approaching the next turn
T10 entry:
R:
S:
Starting to notice a trend here. I'm much more aggressive attacking the inside of the apex/corners than you are.
**I gotta run but I'll finish this guide later today or tomorrow. Hopefully you'll find this helpful and have some stuff to think about now. You should take the viper out for another spin and let us know if you've improved.
- I have never attempted anything like this before so bare with me here.
- I have slightly less fuel than you
- I'm tucked in behind Herrimopp so I'm getting a tow that you dont have. But when watching the replay you'll notice I'm shifting at around 75% for most of the lap. I was content sitting in his draft while trying to conserve fuel and the last thing on my mind was setting a fast lap.
- I came up with sector splits by pausing each lap at roughly the same point on track we both were
R= Rinsky
S= SAMHAIN
If you click play simultaneously on both of these videos youll be able to watch a side by side comparison of each lap.
Turn 1 brake
R:
S:
Both on brakes at about the same spot. I might be on them slightly later looking at the speedometer's
T1 100% off brakes
R:
S:
Screenshots show when we have exactly 0 brake input. You are off brakes well before I am, while I applied brakes almost to the apex. I used quite a bit of trail braking.
T1 exit:
R:
S:
We're both on the same trajectory after T1 apex. It looks like I'm on the gas slightly earlier.
Sector 1 split:
R:
S:
After 1 turn I am already 1/2 second up on you. Notice the speed differential: 121mph vs 123 mph
R: 20.876
S: 20.381(-.495)
T2:
R:
S:
At the bottom of the hill you let off the throttle and lose a lot of time right there. Taking this section with 100% throttle while not cutting the track is certainly doable. 128mph vs 134mph
T3 brake:
R:
S:
After getting a tow from Herri down the straight, I was on the brakes long before you were. Again, I was concentrating on conserving tires and trying to keep from using 100% brake as much as possible. 136mph vs 148mph
T3 apex:
S:
We're on the same line through the apex. While you're slightly faster, its all for nothing if you dont get setup for the upcoming S turns.
T4 apex:
R:
S:
You're still slightly faster but were still on the same line.
T4 exit / T5 entry:
S:
So even though you carried more speed than I did through the first series of these turns; you hung yourself out to dry and struggled to bring the car back to the left side of the track to setup for the next right hand turn. 77mph vs 82mph
T5 apex:
R:
S:
I'm almost a half car length inside than you are all due to setting up the turn on a tighter line. You can also see with the red dot that I'm not even at full lock. The phrase slow in fast out is something to think about through here. 83mph vs 87mph
Sector 2 split:
R:
S:
R: 60.259
S: 58.514 (-1.745)
I'm now up almost 2 full seconds and were barely a minute into the lap. Small imperfections staring to add up.
T6 brake:
R:
S:
You're on the brakes later than I am while I'm trying to save tires. Your brake point seems fine though
T6 apex:
R:
S:
I'm taking a slightly tighter line than you (and traveling a shorter distance)
T6 exit:
R:
S:
Exit seems fine
T7 brake:
R:
S:
Were on the brakes at about the same time. I'm carrying a little more speed though
T7 apex:
R:
S:
I'm on a slightly tighter line which allowed me to get on the gas quicker
Sector 3 split:
R:
S:
R: 77.343
S: 75.531 (-1.812)
T8 brake:
R:
S:
Again on the brakes early
T8 apex:
R:
S:
Same lines and speed
T8 exit:
R:
S:
Same exit speeds. I dont think you lost anytime through this section.
Sector 4 split:
R:
S:
R: 92.659
S: 90.714 (-1.945)
I only gained 1 tenth on you from the previous sector splits
T9 brake:
R:
S:
I'm on the brakes well before you are
T9 apex:
R:
S:
Again I'm on a much tighter line than you are which allows me to get on the gas earlier
T9 exit:
R:
S:
I'm set up further right approaching the next turn
T10 entry:
R:
S:
Starting to notice a trend here. I'm much more aggressive attacking the inside of the apex/corners than you are.
**I gotta run but I'll finish this guide later today or tomorrow. Hopefully you'll find this helpful and have some stuff to think about now. You should take the viper out for another spin and let us know if you've improved.
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Thank you @SAMHAIN85 we all appreciate the help man
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- Louisville Ky
- RlNSKY I is an L
You just don't realize how much this will help me. Its really interesting to see how all those little things add up over the course of the lap.
I have some great Information to work off of but I am happy to see I was able to run with you through certain sectors and that's very encouraging.
Last night's race I was able to follow you for a few laps after you put me a lap down and I learned a lot there too. But the difference in our Gr.3 cars & skills quickly came into play as you could really turn into corners quickly but all my Mustang wanted to do was push the front end out trying to run your line.
I just don't remember the Mustang being that horrible in the past when I've used it and I'm really regretting my choice now.
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- Waynesville, North Carolina
Thanks to everyone. The tips really have helped. Before, I was braking and right back into the throttle, typically overshooting the exit. But, now i let the car roll through the entrance and just to the apex, where I can start picking up throttle and carry way more speed on exit. I also find that letting the car settle really helps it to naturally turn. Thanks for the help. Cant wait for the next session.
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- BadGuyCaligula
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- Waynesville, North Carolina
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- Helmethead1031
I would be interested as well. Interested in driving with you guys but I’m not confident enough yet; i certainly don’t want to ruin someone’s race
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