Time Trial Discussion

[MIE1992]

Tried setting some laps with the Testarossa at Brands Hatch yesterday, and got a somewhat decent time that’s a little over 4% off the top. The car does seem to take quite a bit to skill to control, especially upon acceleration - can’t put it down too hard as you come out of a turn.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

That took too much effort. Hoping this holds but I am in doubt.

 

[Dan_Tes]

That took too much effort. Hoping this holds but I am in doubt.
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Hope that holds, for what!? Gold, silver or bronze? 😁

Seriously though great time, that’ll be top 100 no doubt. What assists did you/did you not use? I’m gonna give it another go in a bit! I think you’ve got more in the tank, have you tried the Testarossa at BH since the physics?

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Hope that holds, for what!? Gold, silver or bronze? 😁

Seriously though great time, that’ll be top 100 no doubt. What assists did you/did you not use? I’m gonna give it another go in a bit! I think you’ve got more in the tank, have you tried the Testarossa at BH since the physics?

I sure hope it'll hold for top 100! I have MAYBE another two tenths in me. After that, I'll be pretty stuck. It just takes so long to nail a lap that I'm basically only playing the law of large numbers until it happens. I was using CSA strong, ABS weak, and TCS1.

I have not tried it yet and unfortunately probably won't have the time! Have you found the handling different after the update? Were you slower or faster?

 

[Gomario JSP]

Hope that holds, for what!? Gold, silver or bronze? 😁

Seriously though great time, that’ll be top 100 no doubt. What assists did you/did you not use? I’m gonna give it another go in a bit! I think you’ve got more in the tank, have you tried the Testarossa at BH since the physics?

I did try some laps this morning, wasn't planning to but i couln't resist....
2 major differences for me are T1 ...., rotating it with trailbraking is a no go, it rotates when lifting off the brakes, this means more early trying to get the rotation, but if you get it right, that means more early on throttle, not ideal and more dificult to nail ( for me ) but faster when you do.....

Second ..... and this is a real pain in the a*ss ............... Hawthorn bend, it used to be hitting the brakes and let the back come loose
to dance around the corner in third...., getting it sliding there is sooo much more difficult now....

So verdict....... much more difficult to nail 🤣 🤣

 

[Dan_Tes]

I sure hope it'll hold for top 100! I have MAYBE another two tenths in me. After that, I'll be pretty stuck. It just takes so long to nail a lap that I'm basically only playing the law of large numbers until it happens. I was using CSA strong, ABS weak, and TCS1.

I have not tried it yet and unfortunately probably won't have the time! Have you found the handling different after the update? Were you slower or faster?

I did try some laps this morning, wasn't planning to but i couln't resist....
2 major differences for me are T1 ...., rotating it with trailbraking is a no go, it rotates when lifting off the brakes, this means more early trying to get the rotation, but if you get it right, that means more early on throttle, not ideal and more dificult to nail ( for me ) but faster when you do.....

Second ..... and this is a real pain in the a*ss ............... Hawthorn bend, it used to be hitting the brakes and let the back come loose
to dance around the corner in third...., getting it sliding there is sooo much more difficult now....

So verdict....... much more difficult to nail 🤣 🤣

Basically what Jomar says here! As soon as I braked for Paddock and flew into the gravel I knew it wasn’t going to happen. Tell tale sign is that I don’t think I’ve lost any places since the physics update

The thing is, I actually think the changes are for the better as it feels more realistic and predictable over the range of cars we have now, excessive weight transfer/rotation under braking was a big problem and I think they’ve done a good job with it

Just why did they have to do it in the middle of the one of the best TTs they’ve done…! I completely get @Vule ’s disillusion of it all, very frustrating

As for Monza, same here but I’ll say this again.. this is one of those trials with the strange tyre grip glitch.. anyone struggling for grip just quit to menu then restart rather than just hitting retry during the trial. I’ve found even ONE retry can result in a major loss of grip that seems to stay, like you reset and it ‘forgets’ what tyres are fitted.. I still don’t know exactly how this happens but it’s definitely happening!

 

[Todt]

I haven't tried Monza but on BH which is for sure, after the update the car brakes less well for me !

 

[A_Higher_Place]

As for Monza, same here but I’ll say this again.. this is one of those trials with the strange tyre grip glitch.. anyone struggling for grip just quit to menu then restart rather than just hitting retry during the trial. I’ve found even ONE retry can result in a major loss of grip that seems to stay, like you reset and it ‘forgets’ what tyres are fitted.. I still don’t know exactly how this happens but it’s definitely happening!

Wait, what? What is this glitch? If I hit retry, then I have worse tyres for the next start? But if I exit to main screen and then start again I have the correct tyre? How has this been discovered?

And, what if I crash and just let the tyres clean and cool for half a lap? Do they revert back to what they were?

 

[RWinkelmann]

As for Monza, same here but I’ll say this again.. this is one of those trials with the strange tyre grip glitch.. anyone struggling for grip just quit to menu then restart rather than just hitting retry during the trial. I’ve found even ONE retry can result in a major loss of grip that seems to stay, like you reset and it ‘forgets’ what tyres are fitted.. I still don’t know exactly how this happens but it’s definitely happening!

Holy crap… If that's true, I've driven my lap with less than optimal grip. I keep pressing Retry all the time.

 

[Dan_Tes]

Wait, what? What is this glitch? If I hit retry, then I have worse tyres for the next start? But if I exit to main screen and then start again I have the correct tyre? How has this been discovered?

And, what if I crash and just let the tyres clean and cool for half a lap? Do they revert back to what they were?

Yeah hard to explain and I don’t understand it fully but the first trial I really noticed it (along with a few others) was the X2019 at Grand Valley. After a retry or two grip was completely lost and never recovered until I went back to the Home Screen for the trial itself and started again from there. Took me a long and frustating time to figure that out!

Basically the same at Monza. Anyone who has time just try it out with TC0 and CSA OFF. Very controllable in third gear out of Prima Variante but after a retry… not. Cooling tyres down etc doesn’t seem to work, it’s very strange.

 

[spangar]

Tried setting some laps with the Testarossa at Brands Hatch yesterday, and got a somewhat decent time that’s a little over 4% off the top. The car does seem to take quite a bit to skill to control, especially upon acceleration - can’t put it down too hard as you come out of a turn.

That’s great!

Yeah this one is a tough beast for me. I’m in bronze still. Pretty new GT player to be fair haha. I’m struggling getting that car around the corners in third gear like most of the top times seem to be doing. Just does not wanna make the corner. I don’t think I’m throwing it in as hard as I should be at the start of the turn.

 

[ZevZoq]

I sure hope it'll hold for top 100!

you and I, we have different priorities.

 

[half_sourly]

Yeah hard to explain and I don’t understand it fully but the first trial I really noticed it (along with a few others) was the X2019 at Grand Valley. After a retry or two grip was completely lost and never recovered until I went back to the Home Screen for the trial itself and started again from there. Took me a long and frustating time to figure that out!

Basically the same at Monza. Anyone who has time just try it out with TC0 and CSA OFF. Very controllable in third gear out of Prima Variante but after a retry… not. Cooling tyres down etc doesn’t seem to work, it’s very strange.

Hmm, I'm not as fast as you, but I don't experience this. I've had a few sessions with the formula car now and every time my quickest lap came after 100 miles and therefore around c.30-50 restarts, at least. I've just had a session now to try the CSA strong idea and dropped 0.2 seconds from 1:24.87 to 1:24.67 and that fastest lap was after around 105 miles, following constant restarts.

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Yeah hard to explain and I don’t understand it fully but the first trial I really noticed it (along with a few others) was the X2019 at Grand Valley. After a retry or two grip was completely lost and never recovered until I went back to the Home Screen for the trial itself and started again from there. Took me a long and frustating time to figure that out!

Basically the same at Monza. Anyone who has time just try it out with TC0 and CSA OFF. Very controllable in third gear out of Prima Variante but after a retry… not. Cooling tyres down etc doesn’t seem to work, it’s very strange.

And... None of this is placebo? I don't for a second doubt your ability, but I gotta wonder critically... Seems so odd!

 

[A_Higher_Place]

you and I, we have different priorities.

But we have the same jam 😄

 

[Dan_Tes]

And... None of this is placebo? I don't for a second doubt your ability, but I gotta wonder critically... Seems so odd!

Believe me I was going mad when I first noticed it.. I just couldn’t understand why I couldn’t keep up with the ghost in the X2019 especially after usually doing really well on my first lap and then it hit me like a sledgehammer.

Same here, I didn’t think we’d have the same problem as it’s a new car and on RM instead of RS tyres but honestly it’s pretty noticeable if you just turn everything off, take the first chicane exit in 3rd gear and it pulls smoothly with a bit of throttle control.. after a retry or two it’ll spin no problem even with tiny bit of throttle

Hmm, I'm not as fast as you, but I don't experience this. I've had a few sessions with the formula car now and every time my quickest lap came after 100 miles and therefore around c.30-50 restarts, at least. I've just had a session now to try the CSA strong idea and dropped 0.2 seconds from 1:24.87 to 1:24.67 and that fastest lap was after around 105 miles, following constant restarts.

Yeah honestly I think it’s the case and if you have CSA strong or TC on it’s just masking the effect and you’re brute forcing your fastest laps using them; it takes me a good long while to get up to speed but once I do I can get consecutive clean laps under 1:24. The car is quite consistent with grip if you don’t retry

Just for reference I was the quickest player on GTP in the X2019 trial (I think… lol) and I made over half a second on my PB when I figured this all out (and people thought I was mad then 😁)

 

[A_Higher_Place]

(and people thought I was mad then 😁)

With the times you run, nobody is doubting that you're a little mad

 

[half_sourly]

and people thought I was mad then

We still do. That aside, when you say quit the menu. Do you mean go to

Spoiler: this screen (credit Jeje)

Spoiler: or this one? (credit MistahMCA

 

[Gomario JSP]

And... None of this is placebo? I don't for a second doubt your ability, but I gotta wonder critically... Seems so odd!

@Dan_Tes clearly suffers from Faustino placebo syndrome ...🤣