Time Trial Discussion

[Lightpilgrim]

This place is very competitive:-))

Hi @Lightpilgrim
I shared advice which technique you can use to get faster in Gran Turismo Time Trials, previous time you asked for help. I am just curious if you tried it and what are your thoughts, if you have done it?

Hi. You mean checking video side by side? Not yet, but I wanted to do it as it can indeed explain where I am slow.

 

[manou]

Won't be able to run tomorrows new TT until 31st, when my new wheel will be available for pickup (T598). My TGT had to be put down. The table clamp snapped off. Lasted 7 years so a good innings.

Pretty happy with how my time held up during the 2nd week. Shooter has joined the action and is at a 1'14.419 in P2.

I freaking love my T598, and it's not even optimized yet (blue mode only so far, aka seen as tgt2). Can't wait for the red mode to be available in gt7.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I guess TCS is holding you back, and stealing maybe half a tenth (at least)

At T1 and T3, two instances where we just lift off and try getting back on throttle as soon as we can, the TCS is barely active according to the throtlle inputs shown in your replay.

On the other hand, exiting T2 I see some TCS action in a spot much easier to handle.

Meaning, you (apparently ) don't need them and you're not making use of them either.

You're getting faster very.... Fast.

So you suggest to have TC completely off?

 

[newmedia_dev]

This is a fun one. I think Controller users will be strong in this.

 

[half_sourly]

The results for TT133 at Eiger Nordwand in the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR '95 are over here. I have updated the opening post with the index of all TTs and the second post with the community scoreboards. A reminder that each driver's results for every TT is in the Excel file attached to the latest results post.

Here are some interim statistics for TT134 at Brands Hatch Indy Circuit in the Gran Turismo Racing Kart 125 Shifter.

Spoiler: GTP Scoreboard

 

[ElectricNaz]

Really enjoying this. Always love driving a Vantage. This was outright my best lap this morning, haven't had anything "optimal" better than this yet! I don't think there's much more to come from me for this one though, but it's enjoyable so I shall try!

 

[Wilsonson]

So you suggest to have TC completely off?

Yes. Always unless absolutely necessary. If you are mediocre at throttle control like me then put it to 2 in Gr 3 cars and some others. But generally turn it off whenever the car is even remotely controllable for you without it.

 

[mindseye]

Really enjoying this. Always love driving a Vantage. This was outright my best lap this morning, haven't had anything "optimal" better than this yet! I don't think there's much more to come from me for this one though, but it's enjoyable so I shall try!

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I bronzed first time out, but I think I can do better, as long as I can keep within the lines.
Do you find the engine noise to be a bit low on this car? I've had to crank it to hear the gear changes better.

 

[skydragon49]

So you suggest to have TC completely off?

Yes, Sir. 😃

 

[Buckethead75]

That Vantage sounds boring, looks boring (looks like a Mazda) and is rather boring to drive, but fortunately the Glen is a super track. 1.52.5 is safe for gold I think.

 

[crome]

So you suggest to have TC completely off?

Yes. Always unless absolutely necessary. If you are mediocre at throttle control like me then put it to 2 in Gr 3 cars and some others. But generally turn it off whenever the car is even remotely controllable for you without it.

Yes, Sir. 😃

As usual when this topic comes up, let me offer a slightly different perspective

I am a proponent of the "assists are tools, use whatever helps you" school of thought. I am always using CSA strong, and TC 1 (sometimes 2) for many, if not most non-road cars. This setup has carried me into several top 100 ranking now (currently #74 at Brands). I highly doubt I could be significantly faster without these assists, because that would mean I could compete with the world's best, and given my experience and skill level, invested time etc. this is just unrealistic.

TC can help you become more consistent and focus on other aspects of your driving. It catches some of your mistakes (being on throttle too aggressively). If you don't make any mistakes, it doesn't get in your way. Therefore what you shouldn't be doing is over-rely on it (i.e. pedal to the metal, let TC take care of it). Drive as if TC was off, and consider it a friend in need

As I said previously, it's understandable and admirable if you avoid assists because you want the purest experience and bragging rights, but from a performance point of view, you really don't gain much in my point of view.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

As usual when this topic comes up, let me offer a slightly different perspective

I am a proponent of the "assists are tools, use whatever helps you" school of thought. I am always using CSA strong, and TC 1 (sometimes 2) for many, if not most non-road cars. This setup has carried me into several top 100 ranking now (currently #74 at Brands). I highly doubt I could be significantly faster without these assists, because that would mean I could compete with the world's best, and given my experience and skill level, invested time etc. this is just unrealistic.

TC can help you become more consistent and focus on other aspects of your driving. It catches some of your mistakes (being on throttle too aggressively). If you don't make any mistakes, it doesn't get in your way. Therefore what you shouldn't be doing is over-rely on it (i.e. pedal to the metal, let TC take care of it). Drive as if TC was off, and consider it a friend in need

As I said previously, it's understandable and admirable if you avoid assists because you want the purest experience and bragging rights, but from a performance point of view, you really don't gain much in my point of view.

I cannot say from experience that it is like that, but intuitively, I see it the same way! For example, moving to MT was a big step for me, learning breaking and accelerations points too. This is necessary. The rest is debatable:-) Depending on circumstances

 

[newmedia_dev]

but from a performance point of view, you really don't gain much in my point of view.

100% agree, the one thing I would add though is the benefits of not using assists aren’t just time related but also general fidelity and smoothness. Driving with out the aids allows a player see where limits are etc.

But once you hit a plateau using assists or not will come down how hard you trying and identifying which ones you want to use and why etc.

I was faster using ASM at Tokyo in the GTWS damp race, whether it was actually doing anything or not or wether I just felt more confident with it on who knows.

 

[Famine]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Gran Turismo 7 Time Trial: Taking Advantage​

A brand new Gran Turismo 7 Online Time Trial featuring some of the latest content added in today’s 1.57 update is now available, setting players the challenge of getting very familiar, very quickly with a new car...

 

[half_sourly]

The Brands Hatch time just moved a fair chunk.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

The Brands Hatch time just moved a fair chunk.

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Hope GOLD will not move by another 0.5 sec

 

[Ken Tali]

The Brands Hatch time just moved a fair chunk.

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Wow, only 0,1 inside gold now...hopefully it wont change anymore😀😀

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Wow, only 0,1 inside gold now...hopefully it wont change anymore😀😀

Pretty sure it will. I suspect Gold will be 49.9…. People still have 7 days.

 

[ZevZoq]

The Brands Hatch time just moved a fair chunk.

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wtaf? How is that even possible? Sheesh...what's that, more than a 2/10ths drop? There was only a few hundredths separating 1 to 4th wasn't there? Wow...I thought I was safely under 2%.

(actually, slightly less than 2/10s drop...but still! lol)

Pretty sure it will. I suspect Gold will be 49.9…. People still have 7 days.

I don't think it's going below :50 or even :51, but I guess we'll see.

 

[KAlex122]

First 7 laps of the new one. First corner i thought: "cool, no TCS needed". After some more corners "what do i do after releasing the brakes!?". It gets a bit unstable after that.

That time was +2,49% half an hour ago. Optimal is already half a second faster, so gold should be workable.

Now, how can i motivate myself for the gocart again?

 

[Dan_Tes]

wtaf? How is that even possible? Sheesh...what's that, more than a 2/10ths drop? There was only a few hundredths separating 1 to 4th wasn't there? Wow...I thought I was safely under 2%.

(actually, slightly less than 2/10s drop...but still! lol)

I don't think it's going below :50 or even :51, but I guess we'll see.

The previous top time had a very slow S3, there was at least a tenth of a second there if not more! I’m guessing that’s where the improvement came, he took a very narrow line into the final corner and was slow on exit.

New trial. New car! Very coincidental car choice for this one, only @Gomario JSP will know what I mean But yes good to see a nice road car combo; cool car and the right tyre choice… well done PD!

It’s an unruly thing but I love it, challenging but not impossible. I see Sirvia was using CSA again but I wanted to try without; it’s definitely possible but a bit challenging on the wheel. The Aston feels like it weighs more than it does. ABS weak, all assists off; I spent most time in 4th gear (dropping to 3rd seems to unsettle the car and as soon as it breaks traction it’s game over for a fast time). Smooth is fast and it punishes overdriving quite heavily. Likes to trail brake too but very lively if you come off the brakes too quick. But yeah it’s challenging and fun!

The esses can be taken flat out, on my best sectors I’m ahead of sirvia and I think he takes the left a little too late and compromises his exit; on that left you can take a bit of kerb and it seems fine with it but yeah a lot of weight transfer management here!

Good fun though, I’ve got another three tenths in me I think and looking forward to revisiting.

 

[zaxs]

Finally with new, 39th gold - and in top 10k

Vantage at Glen, it will be demanding but I will try my best, as always.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

More gold here on this board than in Babilon:-)

 

[ElectricNaz]

On the TC conversation - I'm on a similar school of thought to @crome (just a slower school of thought haha).

With the Vantage, I actually don't NEED TC so I don't use it for this specific TT. But there a quite a lot of cars I will prefer to use TC 1, 2 or even 3 (cough, RedBull, cough). Almost always I'll use TC for a grid start because I'm terrible at them, and then also for world series races in the Gr3+ cars where one mistake can ruin an hours work - that's often more for the sense of comfort than need though. But it's certainly not cheating or anything like that to use it more regularly. Just you will be slower than those who are able to drive comfortably without it.

 

[Gomario JSP]

New trial. New car! Very coincidental car choice for this one, only @Gomario JSP will know what I mean

Epic start buddy, can't wait to try it out, I smell a 6-O-clock GT7 alarm tomorrow 😂

 

[Spec-ECU]

Re: Assists

Up until three months ago when I started dabbling into TTs I was a plug-and-play driver going back to the beginning of GT. I would just fire up the game and start playing, with whatever the default controller/assist settings were. Even when I transitioned to a wheel - just plug-and-drive.

Once I got into TTs and started watching tapes and realizing that most of the assists weren't being used, that's when I started paying attention to mine. The real bonus though was how it "unlocked" my wheel for me; turning off the steering assists and playing around with the sensitivity and FF torque/etc suddenly made my wheel feel like it's steering me on screen 1-to-1.

Then again, I was only last-night-old when I also realized that sometimes a WR holder can accomplish the feat with some assists.

So yeah, it's all circumstantial really. 🙂

Almost always I'll use TC for a grid start..

When I tried the Abarth in this week's Race A, I eventually realized that I needed TC1 to launch that car for grid start, which I haven't needed previously. Again, circumstances. 😁

 

[Lomic]

always I'll use TC for a grid start because I'm terrible at them

my best kept secret from titans' races 😅

 

[Fruitcake]

The Brands Hatch time just moved a fair chunk.

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Which site is this from?

 

[newmedia_dev]

Which site is this from?

The top image is from the gt leaderboard on the website it looks like.

The second image I believe is @crome ‘s plugin?

 

[half_sourly]

Which site is this from?

The top part is from here. Just click on the relevant TT.

The bottom part requires a plug-in created by @crome and you can get details here and @crome is around to help with technical support. It runs on the TT pages I linked to above from the red 'stats' button. That red 'stats' will only appear after you've downloaded the required software.

Spoiler: TT stats