Timing System Flawed

[Short Shift]

So I am sure many people are excited about the new Speed test where you can time your runs and compare them to your friends. I was excited as well until I found rather annoying glitch that can shave up to .050 off your time. I found this out when running my Aventador. I was getting consistent 8.955's but found out that if you don't rev your car, wait just enough and mash the gas right before you go, you can significantly reduce your time. I was able to get a 8.912 doing this. You want to time your engine so you are in your powerband as you launch, hard to get right, but very rewarding. This kinda defeats the whole purpose of the timing system as it is supposed to see who has the fastest tunes, not who can time the engine the best.

The only way around this is to somehow prove you kept the car at full throttle before the 3...2...1...START countdown, quite difficult....

 

[Maccer_42]

Yeah I noticed this too after seeing a video of it being done, i'm not sure if it should be called a glitch though or just a more efficient way of launching? And as you say its not easy to get right but when you do it certainly makes you faster. And im sure it would be possible to tune your launch gear to to get evan more advantage out of it.
Not sure whether this technique is frowned upon or praised for its use?

As it will not effect actual head to head drag racing it's not a huge problem I guess, but for people who like to just tune for faster times either for forum leadboard places or personal enjoyment of making a car faster it's going to be quite annoying trying to match the times set by others using it if you don't, so I guess it will just be a case of follow the trend and learn to do it yourself or get left behind.

 

[Trybal]

True to that statement, but most of the times that go on a leader are all done doing that method of waiting instead of gas the whole time. You still need a faster tune then others because most people are doing this method, not like 1 or 2 people.

 

[Maccer_42]

True to that statement, but most of the times that go on a leader are all done doing that method of waiting instead of gas the whole time. You still need a faster tune then others because most people are doing this method, not like 1 or 2 people.

I guess now I know how your RX-7 is beating my time by a margin of about 0.020 then as all my times i've posted on here so far have been full throtal launch's, i'll have to practice this technique to see if I can match your time

 

[fest0r]

I was a bit annoyed with the varying times when the track was released until I worked this out. I suppose it's not really a flaw as much as a drawback of mashing the gas with a button setup. I also notice it varies from car to car. If you hold the accelerator down before the run loads, some cars seem to be at just about the right launch revs and others need to be after the load for the best time.

I find timing it before, during or after one of the countdowns makes it a bit easier and normally gives the whole spread of times 👍

 

[Short Shift]

I just see it as trying to make runs as if you're online. When you're in a room, you don't use this engine timing technique, you mash the gas. I am finding that I am having to alter my regular drag tunes to use this technique so even if I get a quick time, I won't be competitive in a room.

This also makes the leaderboards deceptive. Top times don't necessarily have the best tune, but rather took the longest to get the launch just right.

 

[eightlives]

I disagree, this is great way of timing the cars. After all you wouldn't just rev your motor all the way if you were drag racing in real life would you?

 

[fest0r]

I just see it as trying to make runs as if you're online. When you're in a room, you don't use this engine timing technique, you mash the gas. I am finding that I am having to alter my regular drag tunes to use this technique so even if I get a quick time, I won't be competitive in a room.

This also makes the leaderboards deceptive. Top times don't necessarily have the best tune, but rather took the longest to get the launch just right.

I don't really find it takes that long or have to alter my tunes in any way. I hold down the gas before the run while making tune changes (for consistency) then once I'm happy I have a go at varying the acceleration to get a better time.

I would also suggest that the relatively small amount of time gained that looks huge on a leader board, pales into insignificance online when you factor in lag and reaction time etc... I would also think it has always been in effect online as people press the gas at different times.

 

[kennyblanco]

I just go full throttle from the time the screen loadsuntil it is time to go. Its just easier that way imo. If people are getting those kind of results using that launching technique and I can still produce comparable results with my kindergarten method then I have all the more reasons to be satisfied with my work.

 

[viperbeatsvette]

I disagree, this is great way of timing the cars. After all you wouldn't just rev your motor all the way if you were drag racing in real life would you?

i agree with this, not every person just mashes down the accelerator.

 

[dr_slump]

So I am sure many people are excited about the new Speed test where you can time your runs and compare them to your friends. I was excited as well until I found rather annoying glitch that can shave up to .050 off your time. I found this out when running my Aventador. I was getting consistent 8.955's but found out that if you don't rev your car, wait just enough and mash the gas right before you go, you can significantly reduce your time. I was able to get a 8.912 doing this. You want to time your engine so you are in your powerband as you launch, hard to get right, but very rewarding. This kinda defeats the whole purpose of the timing system as it is supposed to see who has the fastest tunes, not who can time the engine the best.

The only way around this is to somehow prove you kept the car at full throttle before the 3...2...1...START countdown, quite difficult....

So my 8sec ACR could run by 0.040sec faster?

I'll definitely try it, but I don't expect too much (it probably won't work with my ACR).

 

[Short Shift]

I disagree, this is great way of timing the cars. After all you wouldn't just rev your motor all the way if you were drag racing in real life would you?

i agree with this, not every person just mashes down the accelerator.

In the same way cars IRL use 2-3 gears, are any of your cars tuned to use 3 gears?Just because people do it in real life doesn't mean it will make us faster in GT5. Physics for drag racing in GT5 are not accurate at all.

I'm just trying to find a way to fairly compare times with each other without trying to find a glitch or flaw in the system

 

[Trybal]

Most cars use the most amount of gear possible with being able to launch properly. Also, this isn't a glitch or flaw. The game lets you hold gas at any time you want, it's your choice to mash it the second you hit start.

 

[fest0r]

In the same way cars IRL use 2-3 gears, are any of your cars tuned to use 3 gears?Just because people do it in real life doesn't mean it will make us faster in GT5. Physics for drag racing in GT5 are not accurate at all.

I'm just trying to find a way to fairly compare times with each other without trying to find a glitch or flaw in the system

I guess we just disagree on the definition of "glitch" and "flaw"

 

[Maccer_42]

This video demonstrates how to do it if anyone is wondering.

 

[viperbeatsvette]

its not really glitching. because you are timing the revs so that you have max boost and revs are climbing. it makes sense that this will create a better launch.

 

[kennyblanco]

I'll stick with my foolproof method:tup: I'm just simple like that.

 

[Short Shift]

its not really glitching. because you are timing the revs so that you have max boost and revs are climbing. it makes sense that this will create a better launch.

Maybe "glitch" is too strong a word

But why do we time our runs? To compare our tunes with each other. If we want that to be as accurate as possible, wouldn't it be better to record times that were launched "regularly"?

 

[eightlives]

I don't know about you guys, but I run my cars the same every time, and run the same times over and over again....

 

[kennyblanco]

Maybe "glitch" is too strong a word

But why do we time our runs? To compare our tunes with each other. If we want that to be as accurate as possible, wouldn't it be better to record times that were launched "regularly"?

If its that serious then for verification purposes, require a video of the run to be posted as proof along with their submission. Problem solved. You could even make a separate leaderboard so as not to exclude anyone.

 

[Slash]

I don't know about you guys, but I run my cars the same every time, and run the same times over and over again....

I have similar times but occasionally I lose consistency. I wait about a half second to a second when you see the car appear and sometimes mashing the gas then works wonders. Then if I mash it before the screen loads and launch, the ghost flies ahead. Doing this I have gotten up to nearly a full second faster with the SAME TUNE.

 

[fest0r]

Please tell me you mean a tenth otherwise I'm doing it wrong

 

[Slash]

I wait just a bit after the car appears and before the coutdown begins. Then MASH it.

 

[fest0r]

I get that part, but a full second... a 10.100 time to 9.100?

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Largest difference I've seen is approximately 0.050s. I could believe up to a tenth.

Also, I like how this is the exact same system as was used in GT4... Are you now going to complain that the records set then aren't "true" now because people used certain launch tricks?

 

[Slash]

I get that part, but a full second... a 10.100 time to 9.100?

Oh my bad not a full second. More like .100. I went from a 9.145 to a 9.034 on the same tune. For some reason I always think that is a full second. Yes I clearly know it isn't.

 

[ReVoLuT1oN]

It's not a glitch or a flaw, what you're trying to do by not hitting the throttle from the start is achieve a launch at the optimum RPM. But, I do have to say it's quite annoying this system. Having to restart countless times until you get that optimum launch.

It is what it is.

 

[Maccer_42]

Largest difference I've seen is approximately 0.050s. I could believe up to a tenth.

Also, I like how this is the exact same system as was used in GT4... Are you now going to complain that the records set then aren't "true" now because people used certain launch tricks?

Maybe a short description of this launch technique should be added to dr_slump's Drag Bible? Maybe its not needed, but I would have had no clue about doing this untill I saw the video I posted which was in the supra times thread, or someone straight up told me to do it.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I didn't have a clue that it made the difference it does until I accidentally got a run that was like .040 quicker than normal in my RX-7... Then I tried to replicate it, figured it out, grabbed my GT-R, grabbed the record.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

if you still tune against holding the gas from the start it's an accurate timer, once you get it as fast as possible that way then use the launch method