To All Floridians!

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Hahaha another person jumping to conclusions, I;m not turning into a douche. Most countrys down in that area ARE third world, thats like saying Iraq, or afganistan(yes wrong region just using for comparison) are not third world. If you live in one of those contrys, I didnt mean to insult you, but if you watch any news station the ywill consider anything other than Singapore, or Australia in that region Third world. There technology is suffacated by the civil wars, and government most of the countrys have in place.

In my opinion, (which this pretty much all is) I havent insulted anyone, and have been fair to all. Famine is talking about energy output, which has taught me alot, seriously. I never take a look at disasters that way.

But before you jump , look? Ok? I said one sentance, and you jump down my throat, I would have been happy to explain like I did now.
 
Oh wow just took a look at typhoon tip, but Hurricane Mitch had higher winds, but Yeah I see what you mean about mammoth! Mitch would be the comparison, just with 30mb higher pressure. Hurricane Wilma this year, set the MB record for the atlantic at 882, but tip still has the 870 overhead.
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absolutly amazing, mitch was about as big as they get around the atlantic too. The western pacific has always been more favorable because of hgher water temps, but last year was one of the rare years where the atlanic had more storms than the western pac. 31 in atlantic, compared to 26 in West Pac.
 
I know they're third world. They're still dying and stuff, though. Therefore, Southeast Asia obviously has it worse than we do, regardless of storm strength.

Awaiting disaster and marveling at it is kind of without tact to some, anyway.
 
I know they have it worse than we do, I was that region helping with clean up for the tsunami, I have seen it first hand. I never disrespcted them though. I was just stating...
 
Its ok, I should have explained a bit. I hate when a debate or arguement turns into a fight, I have been trying to keep this from happening here.
 
2 sets of positive reps for that (though I need to rate a couple of other people before rating Omnis again, apparently. And at 40 points a time, I have to be very careful who I rate, so it may be a little while. Sorry).

A potential cauldron settled by both parties in a sensible manner without any outside influence. Well done, chaps.
 
Thanks, I am a member on ForzaCentral, and that place always has flaming going on, I came back to this fourm, in hope to lose all that. I really like the system in place on here.
 
U R teh ghay-zor!!!
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I'm actually curious about your tornado chasing. Where and how do tornadoes form in Florida? I know that afternoon thunderstorms are common, but to me it seems different than storms that pop up in the Midwest. There, the warm moist air from the south meets with cool, dry air from the north, creating large temperature and pressure gradients which spawn supercells. If I understand correctly, the thunderstorms in Florida form when warm, moist air from the Atlantic converges with similarly warm, moist air from the Gulf, creating updrafts over the middle of the state, then spreading outward. This doesn't seem to be condusive to forming supercells, as the skinny part of Florida isn't really wide enough for that air to really get rolling. Does air from the North also get drawn in?

Also, how big can these tornadoes get? I can't recall stories of any devestating tornadoes in Florida, although I remember one cruising through downtown Miami not too many years ago. Perhaps it needed a new Gucci suit... :)

And if a hurricane meets a tornado, will it form a massive apocalyptic super-storm capable of wiping out all humanity? ;)
 
Lol, Good question though. Its quite interesting, actually, I was about to leave but when I have time later ill go in depth for you, Our seasons have VERY different winds and weather, so they all have something to do with tonadoes, since we get them year round.
 
kylehnat
U R teh ghay-zor!!!
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I'm actually curious about your tornado chasing. Where and how do tornadoes form in Florida? I know that afternoon thunderstorms are common, but to me it seems different than storms that pop up in the Midwest. There, the warm moist air from the south meets with cool, dry air from the north, creating large temperature and pressure gradients which spawn supercells. If I understand correctly, the thunderstorms in Florida form when warm, moist air from the Atlantic converges with similarly warm, moist air from the Gulf, creating updrafts over the middle of the state, then spreading outward. This doesn't seem to be condusive to forming supercells, as the skinny part of Florida isn't really wide enough for that air to really get rolling. Does air from the North also get drawn in?

Also, how big can these tornadoes get? I can't recall stories of any devestating tornadoes in Florida, although I remember one cruising through downtown Miami not too many years ago. Perhaps it needed a new Gucci suit... :)

And if a hurricane meets a tornado, will it form a massive apocalyptic super-storm capable of wiping out all humanity? ;)


The thunderstorm cells in Florida are strong enough to create similar conditions that the midwest deal with quite regularly. Although Florida isn't in that same extreme caterogy, it doesn't mean we can't have one that isn't extreme.

According to some quick google research the most tornado's florida has seen in one year was 115 in 1997. Average a year is 49. The deadest recorded in Florida happened in my hometown Kissimmee, an F3/F4 (depending on what source you read) that killed 25 people. (It happened in the middle of the night and was a block away from hitting my house) on the same night 4 other Tornado's were also confirmed, and brought the total of deaths that night to 42. El Nino, and a very powerful jet stream along with our usual east and west winds that took the blame for that very scary night.
Average deaths per year in Florida from tornados is 3.

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A small side note about that crazy night... Walt Disney World almost shut down. Almost 3/4 of the staff that call WDW their employeer called in that next morning. (Including me) It was one of the only times, WDW hotels only offerded fresh towels to their guests. The whole property was running their skelton cast. (employees) [/Edit]

So your theroy about a third element being involved to create a nightmare for Florida seems to be close. In this case, the Jetstream. In isolated cases though, the thunderstorm itself can create hell in a small area.

See this link to read about and see radar images of that night. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mlb/wbstorms/3meso.html

One more thing... Hurricanes themselves can create tornados. The pull of the spin of hurricane itself, and the friction of the ground elements, can create a funnel. Its one more elemnt that we have to watch for while riding out the 100+mph winds caused just by the hurricane.
 
OOOOOk Finnaly not busy, wow looks like someone already tryed to explain.

Alright Lets start in winter time shall we? In Jan, Feb and March, that is Floridas Tornado season, if you could set one. Florida doesnt really have a strong season like the plains and mid west. But March is our most active tornadic month. We get More tornados than any other state, per square mile, and we get the second most tornados per any state, period. Second to Texas. We may not get the F-4s and F-5s that the plains get but we get occasional F-3s. This is because, well the state is not wide enough to get as much heating as lets say, Salina, KS.
The state doesnt cause enough heat build up, to cause big hail or tornados. In this season though, we get most of our severe weather from strong cold fronts and spring storms, like the current ones rocking the mid west. This season is typically a cool, stable time of the year, so thats why we need the instability of a cold front to come thru to stir things up.

Ok now the storm chasers favorite time of year in florida April-August. We get almost everything this time of year. Hurricanes can cause hundreds of tornados on landfall because of the rolling of air. Picture a wall of air moving 100mph hitting land and slowing rapidly. Well, the air will trip up on its self and start rolling. The massive updraft from the hurricane starts sucking the air back up to replenish itself, but causes the rolling air to stand up and start spinning vertically. Since a hurricane has multiple feeder bands, and is usually 300-500 miles wide, about 60-120 tornadoes can spawn just on landfall, But they are hard to notice because of the massive straightline winds from the storm itself.
But when Hurricanes are not hitting, Florida is notorious for their afternoon daytime heated thunderstorms, which are almost always severe. I live in Palm Beach county, and Im just gonna tell you the way a usual summer afternoon will roll out. We usually start the day with cumulus clouds in the mid morning. You can tell by now how bad the day will be by one two factors. 1. How strong the east wind is. And, 2. How tall the clouds are before noon time. The bigger the worse the day will be, and the weaker the winds also mean worse weather conditions. Well at about 1pm the storms will start to stall out from the lack of seabreeze about 30 miles west of the beach, and about 20 miles east of Lake Okeechobee. Since the Gulf breezes usually dont reach the opposite coast, the storms sit out west, and just dump horrid amounts of rain, hail, and tornados on the farm land. If the gulf breezes and maybe a slight breeze from Lake O cause the storms to move back east, the weather could get VERY shakey. In August of 2003, a tornado back built over the ocean because the Gulf breezes were so strong the storm had a double updraft, and by about 5pm when the gulf winds got weak, the Atlantic seabreezes over rode the storms movement and caused a triple tornado outbreak. I didnt call this storm in but the tornado struck right across the street from my house.... while I was outside. Three F-2s. The end of te day can cause rain cooled nights, and beautiful sunsets from the stray anvils of the old dead thunderstorms.

In the Fall to winter, we get almost similar conditions as the winter and spring but severity of storms get weaker as the season go on. This is probably the weakest time of year, but a strong winter cold front can cause a bit of a surprise.



If you have anything you want to know, go ahead and ask, sorry for the massive post, hope you like it enough to give me positive feedback.:)
 
Okay, so because of Florida's strategic location and surroundings, you get tornadoes whenever they feel like showing up... :)

Do you have pictures from your storm chasing?
 
actually yes! Ill give you the link to my photobucket. They are in two folders, pre and post Hilary (which is my Girlfriend, I was depressed before her doent bother asking lol) But yeah I think I have a few Funnel cloud pictures and other random weather photos in the folders. I dont know if I have any tornado pictures, since I live in the city and I work in the afternoon, so all I can get are photos by stepping out of work.

http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/crazman/

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That one turned into an F-2 out west...

Uhhh what else
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That one is hard to see, the zoom on my camera didnt want to work, but look hard at the center of the photo, you will see a sharp funnel.

one more.... Dont want to give all of my photos away.

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That one was an F-0 ha. But look at my photo bucket more more random photos.
 
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