Toyota S-FR Concept (a future Sport 1500 or even a Scion!?)
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I dunno, the styling is too... "rounded". Could definitely use some more edges if they were really going for a "modern" look. Interesting in that people are all split between liking the design of the car. Some say they like the front end but not the rear, some say otherwise.
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Unless it starts at $20,000 or gets more power, it doesn't stand a chance against the 2.0L 155 hp MX-5.
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Meanwhile, in the world outside America where a 1.5-litre MX-5 is also sold, it would probably be quite competitive.
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Ok but I live in America where we already have a better version of this car and it's called MX-5. If Toyota thinks they can sell this for $25k they are sadly mistaken.
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I might myself be mistaken, but where has Toyota claimed it'll sell for $25k? Firstly, that's what a Scion FR-S already costs, and secondly, Toyota hasn't officially confirmed they're even building the S-FR yet.
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And the S-FR has already been green-lighted for US production. I have full confidence that if it comes here with 130 horses, it won't sell for more than $20k starting MSRP.
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I have to agree with homeforsummer here, you are jumping the gun somewhat, Maven. The prices are not yet officially confirmed by Toyota, nor they are the North American prices, but rather the Japanese market ones. As the article where that information shows up states;
There is still not an oficial announcement from Toyota themselves, so the prices and specs are not yet fully confirmed. All it is known so far comes from a "source close to the matter", who spoke to the S-FR Forums. So we still need to await more informations in the future, to properly confirm these things...
There is still not an oficial announcement from Toyota themselves, so the prices and specs are not yet fully confirmed. All it is known so far comes from a "source close to the matter", who spoke to the S-FR Forums. So we still need to await more informations in the future, to properly confirm these things...
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Do want this, but please call it something that is a word. The Toyota Cute-ish Panda with four wheels for example
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Not publicly it hasn't, and Toyota has made no official confirmation that it will be made.
If that's the case, you're probably right. However - once again - neither of those things have been officially confirmed.
All information on the car so far has come from a speculative piece in a Japanese magazine, parroted by an owners' forum for a car that doesn't exist outside of concept car form yet.
I'd like nothing more than for Toyota to produce the S-FR, for it to make about 130hp from a 1.5 and for it to cost less than $20k (if it does, and it looks broadly like the concept, I'll be seriously considering buying one), but we don't actually know any of those things through any official channels yet. However, I'll be at the Tokyo motor show later this month so I'll be doing everything I can to find out a little more from the horse's mouth.
Oh, and so I was a grand out on the FR-S. Big whoop. There's quite a significant difference between a $20k car and a $25/26k one - and the FR-S fills the latter bracket already.
If it does eventually end up being a 1.5, I'd be tempted just to call it the Toyota Sports 1500. It's undoubtedly close in style to the Sports 800, and Toyota doesn't really have any naming conventions to speak of.
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Good old fashioned English, being rather ambiguous... That's why you should try to be clear as possible when writing those sentences, haha. Spares you the "trouble", so to speak.
But yes, it is drivable... if you sat in one of Polyphony's stands at the Tokyo show and played the GT build available there, where the S-FR is an available car choice alongside all the released Vision GT cars. If it is to join GT6, it'll be another case of a Toyota immediatly joining a GT game since the FT-1...
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That makes more sense. For the record, there's also a Tomica model of the yellow show car, as I saw a few people carrying them around... but I couldn't find where they'd got them. Shame, as I'd have loved one. I expect they'll be on eBay for extortionate prices soon enough.
It looks great in the metal though. Proportions really work. The black roof makes it look much more like a convertible than it does in the original images, but I quite like that it isn't a convertible. Sadly, because the show car is still a "concept", you couldn't just clamber inside, but I'd have liked to have seen what the driving position was like.
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Strange to see that you did not see that, it seems that you were at Tokyo in person, from what I gather after reading your post. But yes, it is true, and many are already speculating whether or not this means that the S-FR will join GT6, or if its meant for GT Sports instead... It was stated that the build at the show was a "GT6 Special Build", but that may only imply that it could be a test bed for GT Sports, if anything. As for the Tomica model, it may not become as expensive as you think, as it is a more basic model compared to some of the cars the company manufactures, such as the Tomica Limited Vintage line. Unless it's a limited edition-type model, which in that case pretty much raises future values immediately...
Hmm, it seems that it's a concept which works (and looks) better in the metal than it does by photos. And it is interesting that its proportions are not quite convertible and yet get pretty close to such. As for the interior, my guess is that Toyota simply did not prepare a proper interior for people to sit inside of...
Edit: And for the sake of comprehension, here is a picture of the S-FR in Polyphony Digital's GT stand;
(credit goes to sparkytooth, who originally posted the picture in the "S-FR in GT speculating" (not the real name) thread)
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Yeah, I was at the show, but I was a bit too busy to be scanning for GT machines!
The concept definitely has a proper interior, as it's visible in the original press images. The whole car basically looks like a production vehicle, which gives me hope for them actually making it.
More frustrating is that Toyota didn't confirm any solid details about the car at the show. Everything from its weight to its engine type is still just speculation.
The concept definitely has a proper interior, as it's visible in the original press images. The whole car basically looks like a production vehicle, which gives me hope for them actually making it.
More frustrating is that Toyota didn't confirm any solid details about the car at the show. Everything from its weight to its engine type is still just speculation.
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Haven't seen a single photo with an open rear hatch yet.
Yes, if you turn 40 and travel, suddenly these things become important...I'll I'm asking for is a slot which is airline carry-on luggage-sized and a space for jumper cables.
Yes, if you turn 40 and travel, suddenly these things become important...I'll I'm asking for is a slot which is airline carry-on luggage-sized and a space for jumper cables.
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Well, check the picture in my earlier post above, it's a good enough proof of what I just said. Also, I can see what you mean, there were plenty of highlights at the show to be busy with GT stands, haha.
There are rumours which state that Toyota has decided on a production run, correct? If anything, considering the S-FRs nearly ready-for-the-streets design, that might be quite plausible. Shame about the lack of current details indeed, it is the exact same problem which affects the FT-1. Yes, the idea is sound and well thought out, Toyota, but people are expecting more tangible details at this current moment. Only having a body and no engine specs won't get people as interested as having a clear set of specifications and proper identification for said aspects...
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Oh yeah, something like this is almost certainly going to arrive at some point - the company has wanted a three-tier sports car series for a while now, with the 86 in the middle and a Supra-type car at the top, that leaves something like this at the bottom.
What gets me is that the FT-1 looked very much like a full-on concept car, so Toyota has been much less coy about saying that a future Supra probably won't look exactly like it. On the S-FR, they've basically kept quiet. I went to Toyota's press conference at the show - Akio Toyoda didn't even mention the S-FR, he just kept saying how Toyota was determined to build cars that people love to drive. Which is great, but... some details would have been nice.
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All valid points, really, I cannot add much more to them. With the 86 acting as the middle ground within this "future sports car series", a S-FR below it and a Supra-type car above it are two plausible projects which have been previewed in some way by Toyota. Yes, they are still somewhat vague projects all things considered, but they do exist...
So in essence, Toyota was more open about the FT-1's status a true, non-production sports car concept (not in its current state, that is), than they are with the S-FR. Then again, Toyota's representation within the Tokyo Motor Show was rather silent regardless of the S-FR rumors or not, according to what I read about it. Promises are one thing, but Toyota should still consider following them properly and give others more insight regarding their future plans. So far, all we see are two very promising sports cars without a single clear idea about their drivetrain and perfomance... Silence is not the best policy when you need fresh new ideas for your range of cars.
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There aren't that many brand new car designs or platforms I'm particularly interested in. This, however, is an exception.
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I am strangely late to this thread. But having seen the news out of Tokyo, all I can say is:
Bring it.
I was never the biggest fan of the 86. But this, sight unseen, not knowing if it drives like a dream or dross, I love.
This is the kind of sports car that is missing from the world. Something small, quick and terribly unself-conscious about itself. If they manage to get it through to production relatively unchanged, and without teasing us about a million times before the release, as with the 86, I will be very, very, very happy.
Bring it.
I was never the biggest fan of the 86. But this, sight unseen, not knowing if it drives like a dream or dross, I love.
This is the kind of sports car that is missing from the world. Something small, quick and terribly unself-conscious about itself. If they manage to get it through to production relatively unchanged, and without teasing us about a million times before the release, as with the 86, I will be very, very, very happy.
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I guess the GT86 hype started because the type of vehicle has been missing from several automotive markets for at least a decade. I ignored a good deal of it until it arrived at the stores. And if the hype for a 200hp car (which we knew was only going to have 200hp) somehow didn't meet expectations, I'll be the first to denounce those chuckleheads who think something with a Corolla powerplant is going to be more amazing than ten LF-As.
If the automaker doesn't give enough information...well, whiners gonna whine. And if there's too much hype...well, haters gonna hate. Whereas 15-20 years ago, you heard vague information in rare doses. Now, you get so much information from napkin drawing to finished product with updates from every stage of its gestation period. Spy shots from the wind tunnel, dozens of press releases, waves of idle chatter, a perpetual carpet-bombing of tweets with every newly-teased rendering, endless Photoshops before a finished product, and even manufacturers touting modifications or accessories before the paying public gets a crack at a test drive...burdens the process and numbs expectations. And yes, not just with cars.
You can't please everyone, I suppose; but we can filter it out. Those of us who've been burned by a lack of desire to export and ready for the most regulatory automotive market have been through these fire drills before.
Give things time, I guess.
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