Toyota Supra (A90)
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Wish Toyota didn't keep that cognac interior exclusive to the MT Edition Supra... At least limited at all for either MT or interior color. At least they brought in a new color for the regular Supra range. Stratospheric Blue for the 2023 model year. I am a sucker for brighter blues, was never really a fan of the A91 Edition blue or the dark blue on the first model years.
www.caranddriver.com
This Is the 2023 Toyota Supra's New Color
The newly available six-speed manual transmission is the big news, but there's also a new hue called Stratospheric Blue.
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A tiny bit more info about Supra enhancements.
toyotagazooracing.com
As a side, interesting that 50 units, of the GT4 customer car, were sold at the end of 2021. Will be an interesting comparison when the Z gets homologated.
TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Outlines Supra Enhancements | 2022 | PRESS RELEASE | TOYOTA GAZOO Racing
TOYOTA GAZOO Racing is getting ready to roll out an enhanced Toyota Supra with upgraded driving performance and a manual transmission option for the RZ trim level, among other improvements as described below.
As a side, interesting that 50 units, of the GT4 customer car, were sold at the end of 2021. Will be an interesting comparison when the Z gets homologated.
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2023 Toyota GR Supra price and specs
For the first time in more than 20 years, the Toyota Supra will be available with a manual transmission in Australia – going on sale later this year for the same price as the automatic.
No price difference between transmission choice.
2023 Toyota GR Supra Australian pricing
- GR Supra GT manual/auto – $87,000
- GR Supra GTS manual/auto – $97,000
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ThatDudeinBlue's review on the 6-Speed MT Supra if anyone is interested. It feels like a different animal in his eyes apparently.
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I can. The Z is on a platform dating back to 2001 with pretty minimal updates. The Z doesn't like extended periods of high performance driving, it's not as fast as its numbers would suggest, it's big and bulky, it doesn't brake very well, and for some people it doesn't look very good either. The new Z is a lot more like the 300ZX, a cruiser more than a carver.
The Supra is way more of a sports car than the Z is, the front-engined equivalent of a Porsche Cayman. It has a better engine, it has a better automatic transmission, it has more tuning potential, and it has a far more sophisticated platform.
Neither of them would be my first choice in a sports car, but I would pick the Supra over the Z.
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interesting, you make the Z look like a relic..
But even if I bought a Supra, I wouldn't modify it till it aged. With a Z it looks more streamlined and the seat is lower to the ground giving you a better feel of the forces around a corner. The supra uses an old bmw engine, which is great for modifying I hear but that doesn't interest me if you don't modify it. I actually don't like the look of the supra's rear taillights and fascia where the Z appeals to me, though the front could use a little work, it looks more timeless than the supra with it's heavy spartan looks.
The Z also would keep up with the supra with a better set of tires and a driver mod
What would be your top 5 choices instead of these two?
But even if I bought a Supra, I wouldn't modify it till it aged. With a Z it looks more streamlined and the seat is lower to the ground giving you a better feel of the forces around a corner. The supra uses an old bmw engine, which is great for modifying I hear but that doesn't interest me if you don't modify it. I actually don't like the look of the supra's rear taillights and fascia where the Z appeals to me, though the front could use a little work, it looks more timeless than the supra with it's heavy spartan looks.
The Z also would keep up with the supra with a better set of tires and a driver mod
What would be your top 5 choices instead of these two?
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To be brutally honest, the Z is kind of a relic - it's core engineering was done in the 1990s. I don't dislike the Z, but all-new it certainly isn't. Even the VR30 engine is a development of the VQ series. The B58 BMW engine debuted in 2015 and is substantially different vs the old N series engines (notably the B58 is closed deck, whereas the VR and VQ series engines are open deck).
I would take a 718 Cayman base over either the Supra or Z. Not sure there are 5 competitors to pick from in the category.
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M240i/M2I would take a 718 Cayman base over either the Supra or Z. Not sure there are 5 competitors to pick from in the category.
You could probably toss in the Mustang GT as well.
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M2 is close but the Mustang GT is way off IMO. Nice car, but not the same.
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See, I don't understand people's issue with this. If it works, it works. And it would have been changed quite a lot to increase rigidity and improve crash safety. Which makes no difference versus an all new chassis.
Also: cost savings. Both of these cars would not have happened without it. For Nissan that was reusing the same platform and an existing drivetrain. For Toyota it was partnering with BMW to share development costs.
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The reliability and how much it costs to fix in the long term are the big question marks for me. The Z seems like the smarter choice if you plan on keeping it for awhile, I don’t trust anything with BMW parts. I still love this car though.
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The issue personally with the mustang is it's good at eating pedestrians, too much car for most people. You could put on better tires etc but then it's modified and that's a money pit I'd stay away from.
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You can certainly weld additional body structure and bolt bracing to an existing platform to increase rigidity and crashworthiness to it and make it similar to a new spun up platform, but we certainly shouldn't be pretending that that's not a major factor why the Z35 is a front heavy 3500lb+ car when it's main competitor is the identically sized, much better balanced 3400lb Zupra; even ignoring stuff like cargo space and forced body hard points. GM probably could still have used the C4 chassis up through the C6 generation if they didn't mind putting 400 pounds of chassis bracing on it; and nothing likely was stopping Porsche from using the 996 chassis to this day with ever-wider bodyshells installed.
The true travesty is that GM had this solved with the current Camaro but saddled it with the same cartoonish styling of the Zeta car instead of something contemporary that didn't horrendously compromise the car and make it look like a face-lift of the previous generation.
The true travesty is that GM had this solved with the current Camaro but saddled it with the same cartoonish styling of the Zeta car instead of something contemporary that didn't horrendously compromise the car and make it look like a face-lift of the previous generation.
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Toyota will allegedly make a GRMN version of the Supra before the next generation which will be an midship RWD EV in 2025. These are just rumors so nothing is confirmed yet. But this will align with the Porsche 718 going EV at the same time
www.motor1.com
Toyota Supra GRMN Planned Before Electric Successor: Report
Japan's Best Car magazine claims the current-generation Toyota Supra will bow out with a spicy GRMN version ahead of an electric replacement due in 2025.
www.motor1.com
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Toyota GR Supra And BMW Z4 To Ride Off Into The Sunset In 2026 | Carscoops
While Toyota wouldn't confirm the news, an official said they're evaluating what's next
www.carscoops.com
I feel pretty indifferent to this car now, I just hope they don't do a partnership with BMW for the next one too.
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Feels like just yesterday when the Supra was released. Where has all the time gone...
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I don't understand why all these journalists are talking about the Supra ending in 2026, while speculating over what Toyota's concept GT3 car cOuLd PoSiBlY bE????Toyota GR Supra And BMW Z4 To Ride Off Into The Sunset In 2026 | Carscoops
While Toyota wouldn't confirm the news, an official said they're evaluating what's next
I feel pretty indifferent to this car now, I just hope they don't do a partnership with BMW for the next one too.
It's painfully obvious. The GT3 car is the next Supra, and it's going to share its platform with the Lexus RC. The Lexus will have a V8, the Toyota may or may not.
Toyota entered the sports car market with partnerships because sports cars are always risky moves, but they found great market success with both the GR86 and the Supra. Now the partnership with Subaru is over but there is every expectation for the GR86 to live on, with rumors swirling about a sedan and a move upmarket. The engine which makes sense and which the market has been screaming for is the 3-cylinder turbo. Now we're talking about the S-FR effectively replacing the GR86 as a lower-rung and genuine Miata competitor.
The Supra is also going to live on but will likely move upmarket and become a higher-performance car overall, and likely a hybrid. The car and nameplate easily have the potential to do battle in the market with Porsche and Corvette, rather than Mustangs. It's almost like journalists have been paid by Toyota to act dumb about all this. Speculation was the same concerning the LCs and new 4Runner, journalists just couldn't wrap their head around what a new 4Runner might look like or be based on despite customers having 100% certainty that the status quo would remain of the 4Runner being the same as the Tacoma. A similar platform sharing solution for the Supra and market shift for the GR86 are the only ways any of this makes financial sense so the choice is clear.
Less likely aspects of this platform sharing will be that Mazda debuts a sports car on the same platform as this GT3 concept/future Supra/future RC, because the evidence for that is already piled up though Mazda is not quite strong enough financially to risk a high-end sports car without a partnership. Another less likely thing is that the S-FR shares the ND (or NE) platform. The S-FR could be the "coupe Miata" that many people want, while the Miata itself continues as the traditional convertible and targa. Of the three, I would still prefer the Mazda nameplate and targa roof. Ultimately this could possibly be an even trade for the two companies and would help complete Mazda's more premium lineup.
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