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Toyota TS030 now in GT6
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Only thing I find strange is how despite this have the hybrid power, its the only car where the hybrid power isn't shown with the rest of the on-screen telemetry (like many of the other Electric/hybrid cars) and only on the car itself.
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Really? I just assumed that was going to be brought over from GT5 but that's abit of a surprise to know.
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Im well past 3,000km and I'm still in love with it. I haven't even performed an oil change and I haven't refreshed ridgidity and it still is perfect.
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After a couple of hundred miles, I found the PP was dropping off.
Not that it's an issue, since I had it limited to 600PP for the Seasonal at Grand Valley.
I find the car to be very stable, and the stored energy gizmo is cream on the cake
Not that it's an issue, since I had it limited to 600PP for the Seasonal at Grand Valley.
I find the car to be very stable, and the stored energy gizmo is cream on the cake
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This is how a Subie should sound like
And a TS030 sounds pretty like a V4...
Actually, there's an odd consistency in the Subaru sound of the TS030. It seems as though any high-revving race V8 gets this sound - the Lexus IS-F Racing Concept received an update to get it in GT5, and it has carried over to GT6. It's odd, isn't it - PDI finally show some consistency, the only problem now is that it's consistently wrong.
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Kazuki Nakajima with Kaz on the gt6 TS030 vs real life!
http://ms.toyota.co.jp/jp/wec/special/kazuki-nakajima-and-kazunori-yamauchi-gt6-producer.html
http://ms.toyota.co.jp/jp/wec/special/kazuki-nakajima-and-kazunori-yamauchi-gt6-producer.html
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Being as the drone noise is largely featured on race exhaust cars and fictional "Touring Cars", it wouldn't surprise me if it was completely synthesised. That might go some way to explaining why it sounds so thin and reedy.
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They might need people to record industrial vacuum cleaners rather than typical household ones.
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This. This and the lazy copy/paste job of some car sounds are two of the biggest sound issues. If they must copy/paste them (and I'm sure we'd rather they didn't), the whole process is made even more infuriating when there are more accurate samples to use (such as the case of the Murcielagos/Aventador using Gallardo V10 sounds when they could use the Zonda C12S sample).
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And here is part two! http://ms.toyota.co.jp/jp/wec/special/kazuki-nakajima-and-kazunori-yamauchi-gt6-producer-0201.html
Kaz goes on in the conversation and mentions how he would have to 'update' or 'change' the TS030 in the game to represent the performance of the TS040. This is just theoretical talk stemming from the conversation of the lap time difference of last year's car vs. TS040's to be determined pace. That among other things makes this a great read if you have the right translation tools.
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I read through the article and tried to make as much sense of it as I could. Kaz being interested in the TS040-HYBRID is fantastic news as it is my most wanted addition to GT7.
He seems to mention adjusting the ERS in-game to represent the performance of the TS040 which is something that will never happen as PD are slaves to detail and giving a 2012 car the performance of a 2014 car built to different regulations is silly.
If nothing else it just makes it more likely that we will see the TS040 in GT7 as Kaz usually has to include cars he finds personally interesting.
He seems to mention adjusting the ERS in-game to represent the performance of the TS040 which is something that will never happen as PD are slaves to detail and giving a 2012 car the performance of a 2014 car built to different regulations is silly.
If nothing else it just makes it more likely that we will see the TS040 in GT7 as Kaz usually has to include cars he finds personally interesting.
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Translation of part 1 of http://ms.toyota.co.jp/jp/wec/special/kazuki-nakajima-and-kazunori-yamauchi-gt6-producer-0101.html
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The performance of the TS030 HYBRID is reproduced extremely realistically. I didn't imagine that such a thing would be possible. -Racer Nakajima Kazuki.
Nakajima: I have never played Gran Turismo before, but with better steering and three screens (using 3x 60 inch displays) the field of vision and the sensations were not uncomfortable at all. It felt just like driving a real race car. Compared to the feeling of driving the real TS030 HYBRID there are some small differences, but overall it is very close, including the lap times.
Yamauchi: With the TS030 HYBRID, we were not made privy to all the data, so certain aspects are speculation on our part. Even last night, thinking about Racer Nakajima's arrival, I made some adjustments to the gear ratios and tyres. It also took me some time to stumble my way onto where on the course to use the electric motor and where not to. But I'm very relieved that the lap time turned out to be very similar to that from last year (lol).
Nakajima: Braking points, and the feel of grip in the tyres, and the sensation when turning the steering wheel, these all feel exactly like the real thing. Because the information about the workings of the hybrid system and it's effects was not given, I imagine that it was very difficult. But I really feel that you have done a very good job. There is one thing I might mention. The real car has traction control*, so that's one difference, but that wasn't enough to dampen the experience.
*A system for controlling the engine under acceleration to reduce wheel spin. It makes a driver's job easier, as they can just step on the accelerator. Abbreviated as TC.
Yamauchi: The setting for TC exists, perhaps it would be better turned on.
Nakajima: But driving is a lot less interesting with TC on. Er, in the game I mean (lol). It's true that it's a lot more fun driving without TC though.
Yamauchi: It really is difficult to reproduce the driving characteristics of a hybrid.
Nakajima: But I think that the performance of the car is reproduced extremely realistically. I didn't imagine that such a thing would be possible.
Yamauchi: Because the regulations governing the cars (from last year) are public, we know how much electrical power each use of the capacitors* can output. Then there's publically available information on the time the motor takes to accelerate from 100 to 200kmph, and so the power of the motor can be extrapolated from that. During cornering, we assumed for the sake of argument that if the speed was under 100kmph then electric power was not needed, and so none was delivered to the motor, and so we built our assumptions up in this manner.
*A part serving the same purpose as the battery pack in commercially available hybrid cars. A capacitor is unable to store a large amount of electricity, but it can charge and discharge repeatedly very rapidly, and so is suitable for racing car applications.
I noticed that part way through Racer Nakajima's driving suddenly changed. “He's got it!” I thought. -Producer Kazunori Yamauchi
Yamauchi: Watching Racer Nakajima today, I noticed that part way through his driving suddenly changed. “He's got it!” I thought. With the current settings one wants to open the accelerator at the apex of the corner, but if one waits a little the car will straighten up, and then if the accelerator is pressed further than 80% of it's travel the electric motor will activate. Before that 80% the car has 500hp. If the accelerator is pressed beyond 80%, and the speed is over 100kmph, the power of the electric motor will be added to that. Even though we had not told Nakajima about these settings, it only took him a few laps to perceive and understand that and adjust his driving accordingly. I was astonished.
Nakajima: And then the car's balance under braking...oh, is that because of the regeneration simulation?
Yamauchi: Yes.
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Second part to follow if and when I find time, it might not be for a few days.
I make no promises that this is accurate. I'm just a student of Japanese, my native language is English. I've had to look up words where I didn't know them, but I'm fairly confident that this is a decent representation of what was said.
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The performance of the TS030 HYBRID is reproduced extremely realistically. I didn't imagine that such a thing would be possible. -Racer Nakajima Kazuki.
Nakajima: I have never played Gran Turismo before, but with better steering and three screens (using 3x 60 inch displays) the field of vision and the sensations were not uncomfortable at all. It felt just like driving a real race car. Compared to the feeling of driving the real TS030 HYBRID there are some small differences, but overall it is very close, including the lap times.
Yamauchi: With the TS030 HYBRID, we were not made privy to all the data, so certain aspects are speculation on our part. Even last night, thinking about Racer Nakajima's arrival, I made some adjustments to the gear ratios and tyres. It also took me some time to stumble my way onto where on the course to use the electric motor and where not to. But I'm very relieved that the lap time turned out to be very similar to that from last year (lol).
Nakajima: Braking points, and the feel of grip in the tyres, and the sensation when turning the steering wheel, these all feel exactly like the real thing. Because the information about the workings of the hybrid system and it's effects was not given, I imagine that it was very difficult. But I really feel that you have done a very good job. There is one thing I might mention. The real car has traction control*, so that's one difference, but that wasn't enough to dampen the experience.
*A system for controlling the engine under acceleration to reduce wheel spin. It makes a driver's job easier, as they can just step on the accelerator. Abbreviated as TC.
Yamauchi: The setting for TC exists, perhaps it would be better turned on.
Nakajima: But driving is a lot less interesting with TC on. Er, in the game I mean (lol). It's true that it's a lot more fun driving without TC though.
Yamauchi: It really is difficult to reproduce the driving characteristics of a hybrid.
Nakajima: But I think that the performance of the car is reproduced extremely realistically. I didn't imagine that such a thing would be possible.
Yamauchi: Because the regulations governing the cars (from last year) are public, we know how much electrical power each use of the capacitors* can output. Then there's publically available information on the time the motor takes to accelerate from 100 to 200kmph, and so the power of the motor can be extrapolated from that. During cornering, we assumed for the sake of argument that if the speed was under 100kmph then electric power was not needed, and so none was delivered to the motor, and so we built our assumptions up in this manner.
*A part serving the same purpose as the battery pack in commercially available hybrid cars. A capacitor is unable to store a large amount of electricity, but it can charge and discharge repeatedly very rapidly, and so is suitable for racing car applications.
I noticed that part way through Racer Nakajima's driving suddenly changed. “He's got it!” I thought. -Producer Kazunori Yamauchi
Yamauchi: Watching Racer Nakajima today, I noticed that part way through his driving suddenly changed. “He's got it!” I thought. With the current settings one wants to open the accelerator at the apex of the corner, but if one waits a little the car will straighten up, and then if the accelerator is pressed further than 80% of it's travel the electric motor will activate. Before that 80% the car has 500hp. If the accelerator is pressed beyond 80%, and the speed is over 100kmph, the power of the electric motor will be added to that. Even though we had not told Nakajima about these settings, it only took him a few laps to perceive and understand that and adjust his driving accordingly. I was astonished.
Nakajima: And then the car's balance under braking...oh, is that because of the regeneration simulation?
Yamauchi: Yes.
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Second part to follow if and when I find time, it might not be for a few days.
I make no promises that this is accurate. I'm just a student of Japanese, my native language is English. I've had to look up words where I didn't know them, but I'm fairly confident that this is a decent representation of what was said.
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Keep looking at the site, there may be more to come.
Part 2 goes into detail about the physics of gt6 being close to the actual simulators teams like Toyota use. Nakajima jokes that he could perhaps use it to setup real race cars! Among other things, Kaz says that he (again) didnt have all the information on the TS030 (TMG held some back), and that seeing the new TS040's 4wd system in the game would require some 'imagination'. Kaz says that since they share the same hybrid system, he would have to increase its power(?) and have the hybrid work on the front wheels.
Imari or someone else could give a word for word translation, Im just summing up the important parts
Part 2 goes into detail about the physics of gt6 being close to the actual simulators teams like Toyota use. Nakajima jokes that he could perhaps use it to setup real race cars! Among other things, Kaz says that he (again) didnt have all the information on the TS030 (TMG held some back), and that seeing the new TS040's 4wd system in the game would require some 'imagination'. Kaz says that since they share the same hybrid system, he would have to increase its power(?) and have the hybrid work on the front wheels.
Imari or someone else could give a word for word translation, Im just summing up the important parts
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