Track limits question

[wlashack]

Hello,
I am quite new to simracing and Gran Turismo and trying to figure out basic concepts of all of that. One of the things I am disoriented is track limits so I have a question about it.

• How is track limit defined? (I found somewhere that "you have to keep at least 2 tyres on track including curb") but it seems not to be true to me. I saw lot of videos/ghosts that go completely out of track and it is considered to be ok. So what is the real rule for track limit?

Thanks.

 

[Lomic]

I'd say there are no rules and you need to test it by yourself, of better, watch WR laps to find out up to what point someone can abuse curbs and still get a valid lap.

Some tracks are really permissive, others much less, and it is not always easy to understand where the limits are.

 

[watto79]

I saw lot of videos/ghosts that go completely out of track and it is considered to be ok. So what is the real rule for track limit?

You only need literally 1 pixel of tyre touching the curb and the car is considered within track limits. That's almost certainly what's going on here. There are some exceptions but not many.

 

[PlanetJanet]

The reality is that it differs by track and even by corner within each track. You have to test and understand the limits with every track, I find the online time trials are the best way to do this.

 

[Meythia]

I think @watto79 is right on point.

Ontrack example in my most driven track.

Next corner

 

[wlashack]

Hmm, that is weird. But OK.

One more question: is there any indication where/when exactly I exceeded the track limit?
Here is a very short video where I run over 4 consecutive curbs (it seems to me that all of them well). And only when I am far from here in the middle of the track a penalty message appers so I have no idea where the violation occurred. Is there any indication that tells me HERE!?

 

[watto79]

Hmm, that is weird. But OK.

One more question: is there any indication where/when exactly I exceeded the track limit?
Here is a very short video where I run over 4 consecutive curbs (it seems to me that all of them well). And only when I am far from here in the middle of the track a penalty message appers so I have no idea where the violation occurred. Is there any indication that tells me HERE!?

There's nothing to tell you but it's here at the 2nd curb. You go across the grass between the end of the curb and the track. It's a very common and easy spot to pick up a track limits penalty.

 

[wlashack]

Aaaaah, thanks!

 

[jrbabbitt]

Another easy method is to watch replay and when the penalty banner shows you can reliably go back about 9-10 seconds in replay and see exactly where you went astray.
There is a 9-10 delay between actual penalty and when the banner appears on screen.

 

[wlashack]

Another easy method is to watch replay and when the penalty banner shows you can reliably go back about 9-10 seconds in replay and see exactly where you went astray.
There is a 9-10 delay between actual penalty and when the banner appears on screen.

The problem was I sometimes did not absolutely get what I did wrong. I watched replay step-by-step and it seemed that my car runs within track all the way. But yeah, I finally think I found the cause of my misunderstandings — it is about a „hidden catch“ where there is a start or end of a curb. You go on curb but just before curb starts od just after it ends I touched ground several pixels and I got a penalty. It took me really long to solve this puzzle.

Thanks all here for support.👍

 

[sonnyboychris]

I wish there was an overlay that we could enable to show track limits for any given track. Similar to the braking zone graphic.

 

[TheNormsk]

Generally I have found that you need to keep at least one tire on the track where there are white lines. The wheel can be on the white line but as others have said, you need at least one pixel touching the track.

There the line turns yellow and you have red/yellow curbing you are usually good as long as you have one time on the curbing. You can cross the yellow line. What catches me, and others, is that as you cross the end of the curbing, yellow line switching back to white, you can often still be outside of the the track and that is where you get your penalty. Just make sure you get one wheel back on track before switching from the curbed yellow line to the track white line.

Every track is unique though so there are exceptions to this.

 

[troylawson]

Hello,
I am quite new to simracing and Gran Turismo and trying to figure out basic concepts of all of that. One of the things I am disoriented is track limits so I have a question about it.

• How is track limit defined? (I found somewhere that "you have to keep at least 2 tyres on track including curb") but it seems not to be true to me. I saw lot of videos/ghosts that go completely out of track and it is considered to be ok. So what is the real rule for track limit?

Thanks.

I think, and this applies to all your queries, the car must be on the inside of the white lines, in corners mostly. But if you go off track, you have three seconds to get back on track, if you have that "feature" turned on. It seems to me that you can experiment and try different things at different areas of the section. For example, on the Le Mans circuit, the corner right before the Gant sign on the back half is where I get the track limit penalty from time to time.

By the way, I use the Le Mans track for the grind, easy 800k credits for twenty minutes of driving time. You should get 7 laps out of it, if you use the right car. I use the 1968 A220 Alpine(I think that's it) and handles great right out of the box. I throw on IMs on at the begining before it starts, map my fuel to setting three, and get real patient at the first three laps. When I see my opening, I take it and run with it. I get to First usually on lap 3, if I'm lazy. This is when I pit the first time. Then the second time is after lap 5 and that takes care of the rest of the race. Cross the finish line and you should be getting the clean race bonus. I realize there other cars that will do just as well, but that's the one I use for this race based on early economics built into the game. I have used a variety cars, but the A220 is cheap enough when it is available. There are a couple of others I use, the red white and blue Nissan racer I think, the green orange and white Mazda, the Porsche Living Legend. 2.5 mil credits is easy if you can get three laps out of the car for Le Mans. Even better if you don't need to pit at all, but I can't remember any of those. I use the weather radar, and no matter how much it rains it's nice to see the other cars struggle(AI). So all bets are off if you go on Le Mans head to head and race real people, as anyone you face is a big question mark. People are unpredictable. So do your best and see you on the track. TAL

 

[Desert_Ranger]

I think that it also take your acceleration into account, as I've had instances where I turn late into a corner and clearly go over the white lines with all four tires, and as long as I let off the gas/don't actively accelerate while off the track, I don't get penalized, even though I'm sometimes going in excess of 100mph over the line. And even that doesn't seem to be a hard and fast rule, as I'll sometimes tap the accelerator to get my car going in the right direction.