Trail braking on pedals v controller

[flying-chick]

Good day racers.

I would like to hear your views on whether you find trail braking easier with pedals than a controler, and the reasons why 🙂.

I have a PS5 controler that just says dual sense wireless controller on the back ? but is there a difference between this controller and a dual sense (edge) wireless controller is my first question.

As in the accessories controller settings on the ps5 there is not and option for me to set dead zones on the wireless controller brake trigger, or am I missing something ?.

Is this option only available on the the dual sense edge wireless controller,

I'm sure a lot of you will be aware that the best lap times.come from being able to do a slower release of the brake when exiting a corner, and as must as two seconds sometimes with that release , and regardless of how good of a driver you are it does not matter how well you can do a track, your times will never get as fast as they could do unless your trail braking is being nailed on every corner

For me having a controler where I can adjust the dead zones works best for me, but with this controller I have at present, it's something I'm not fully use to but on average my slow release are too quick at the first stage of release of the brake trigger, but normally ok at the end of the release.

This is why I need to set dead zones.

I'm interested to know if anyone is finding trail braking better when adjusting dead zones ? On a Ps5 dual edge controller

I'll use grand valley highway 1 as an example, gold experience sector 1

World records are set at 33.5 seconds. I'm only getting 34 secs flat at present on my controller,

On my wheel and pedals I haven't had time to test it yet, as there still in the process of beeng set up and I'm away from home untill next week.

Thanks for reading and any advice given.

 

[Zero2Oblivion]

Edge user here!

I don't recommend adjusting the deadzone on the triggers unless;

1 - You have a tense grip naturally and may be applying pressure to the triggers unconsciously.

2 - The triggers are faulty and registering input when there is no pressure physically applied to the trigger.

The trigger has a range of motion, with the trigger registering 0% input when resting and 100% when fully depressed. If you adjust the deadzone, you're effectively reducing the range of motion by moving 0% input further up, meaning there is less distance between 0% input registered and 100%, and that reduction in distance results in less finesse/accuracy (as you have less travel to play with). This is also why pedals, which have substantially more play/travel distance, are seen as the superior option.

With regards to trail braking, it really is a game of practice, practice, practice. And remember that it's different between cars.

 

[flying-chick]

Edge user here!

I don't recommend adjusting the deadzone on the triggers unless;

1 - You have a tense grip naturally and may be applying pressure to the triggers unconsciously.

2 - The triggers are faulty and registering input when there is no pressure physically applied to the trigger.

The trigger has a range of motion, with the trigger registering 0% input when resting and 100% when fully depressed. If you adjust the deadzone, you're effectively reducing the range of motion by moving 0% input further up, meaning there is less distance between 0% input registered and 100%, and that reduction in distance results in less finesse/accuracy (as you have less travel to play with). This is also why pedals, which have substantially more play/travel distance, are seen as the superior option.

With regards to trail braking, it really is a game of practice, practice, practice. And remember that it's different between cars.

You have the edge controller, so is there an option for you under accessories to set dead zones ?


I know you don't recommend it which is fine, but I'm needing to buy a new controller anyhow.

Trust me I've done all the practicing in the world with racing. Maybe not so much on Gt7, I prefer to use fr cars and set less brake pressure on the front tyres,

But I'm unsure which brake pressure balance works better for trail braking in other cars such as Mr cars or 4wd cars or the other type, as I'm new to ps5 and I haven't played about with it much yet, but i would like to hear what brake pressure balance works best for others cars from members here 🙂.

I know with the pedals it can be down to preference for setting dead zones, but I would also like to hear from members there preference technique and why it works best for them with pedals for trail braking.

 

[Zero2Oblivion]

You have the edge controller, so is there an option for you under accessories to set dead zones ?


I know you don't recommend it which is fine, but I'm needing to buy a new controller anyhow.

Trust me I've done all the practicing in the world with racing. Maybe not so much on Gt7, I prefer to use fr cars and set less brake pressure on the front tyres,

But I'm unsure which brake pressure balance works better for trail braking in other cars such as Mr cars or 4wd cars or the other type, as I'm new to ps5 and I haven't played about with it much yet, but i would like to hear what brake pressure balance works best for others cars from members here 🙂.

I know with the pedals it can be down to preference for setting dead zones, but I would also like to hear from members there preference technique and why it works best for them with pedals for trail braking.

Yes, the deadzone on the triggers is adjustable. See Sony's guide for the Edge controller for details.

 

[Abarth_71]

I know with the pedals it can be down to preference for setting dead zones, but I would also like to hear from members there preference technique and why it works best for them with pedals for trail braking.

TBH I only set a deadzone on my brake pedal so I can rest my foot on it without it registering any input. I still use the rest of the full range, such as it is on a loadcell, as it's easier to modulate and trail brake with a bit more travel.
As for the brake balance in game I tend to have it set on 1 to the rear, but it depends on the car. I find it helps me on turn in when trail braking.

 

[flying-chick]

Yes, the deadzone on the triggers is adjustable. See Sony's guide for the Edge controller for details.

It's probably best if I show a clip and go into detail more, with the issue I've been having.

So this is an attempt of daily races grand valley highway 1.

I've just uploaded sector 1 only, as you can see its 7 tenths of world record pace, but I have been only 2 tenths off, but I don't have time to practice much at present, this is on a friends ps5 with trigger stiffness turned off and the same type of controller as mine ( not an edge) If you notice sometimes im either not hitting full brake or letting go to quickly,.

I'm still trail braking but it's up and down on different corners.



May I ask do you or anyone here find trail braking best with the stiffness of or on the adapter triggers or week or strong ?.

 

[Famine]

Yes, the DualSense and DualSense Edge are different things:

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Get an edge in gameplay by creating your own custom control setup and crafting a unique gaming experience with this PS5 controller.

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I've just uploaded sector 1 only, as you can see its 7 tenths of world record pace

How?

You're going through at 34.347. The overall record lap is going through at 33.474, while the fastest lap in the same car as the one you're using is even faster at a 33.430 through S1.

That's nine tenths (more than, for the GT-R), not seven. And about 2.7% off the record pace, which is decent gold speed for a Time Trial if you're there for the whole lap. I usually land around there myself after a couple of laps on controller when I can be bothered, and I'm not exactly rapid or flush with practice time.

 

[flying-chick]

Yes, the DualSense and DualSense Edge are different things:

Buy DualSense Edge™ PS5™ Wireless Controller | PlayStation® (US)

Get an edge in gameplay by creating your own custom control setup and crafting a unique gaming experience with this PS5 controller.

direct.playstation.com

How?

You're going through at 34.347. The overall record lap is going through at 33.474, while the fastest lap in the same car as the one you're using is even faster at a 33.430 through S1.

That's nine tenths (more than, for the GT-R), not seven. And about 2.7% off the record pace, which is decent gold speed for a Time Trial if you're there for the whole lap. I usually land around there myself after a couple of laps on controller when I can be bothered, and I'm not exactly rapid or flush with practice time.

I don't have the time myself at present 🙂.

I'm more interested in getting my controller soughed out first.

As when I'm working away from home, I'll be taking a ps5 with me, but not my wheel and pedals. As I've just ordered a second ps5 for my kid.


I'm looking to buy a second controller,. But I'm not sure what to go for at present.

But Grand valley highway 1 has never been a favourite of mine I always only ever get to within 2 secs of a world record, currently I've posted a time of 1 min 50 flat, 3 and half secs of world.record pace and sitting something like position 7000th on the ranking board,.this is something I'm totally not use to. It's laughable 😂

But I did get an optimal time of 1.49.214. but yeah I don't have to time to practice and I would rather be practicing with a better controller for me, that fits my hand better and is not faulty

byeee❤️

 

[Meythia]

I'm interested to know if anyone is finding trail braking better when adjusting dead zones ? On a Ps5 dual edge controller

As said in a previous response, do not make use of the dead zone feature when you need precision
(you could make use of a small bit dead zone to combat stick drift instead of swapping the stick modules, as long as you dont feel too much of a restriction there).

Dead Zone reduces the range of motion that you can use on your input device and by that reduces precision, or in easier words:
with no dead zone the trigger has a traveldistance between "not pressing" and "pressing to the maximum" of about 1cm (estimation),
if you increase the deadzone on either side of the trigger, you remove travel distance, meaning that every bit of button press is worth more as registered input for the game.
Also will it require to relearn precision, because the natural limits of the trigger motion range are not aligned to the limits the game registers anymore.
Either you are cutting from "beginning" which means you need to press more before the game starts registering any input,
or you are cutting from "end" which means the game registers full input much sooner.

In extreme cases, you practically could reduce the trigger to a "binary" reaction of between 0% and 100% on a touch.

All the "long bars" are the distance I have pressed, all the blue bars are what the game will register, all the grey bars are "dead zone".

 

[flying-chick]

As said in a previous response, do not make use of the dead zone feature when you need precision
(you could make use of a small bit dead zone to combat stick drift instead of swapping the stick modules, as long as you dont feel too much of a restriction there).

Dead Zone reduces the range of motion that you can use on your input device and by that reduces precision, or in easier words:
with no dead zone the trigger has a traveldistance between "not pressing" and "pressing to the maximum" of about 1cm (estimation),
if you increase the deadzone on either side of the trigger, you remove travel distance, meaning that every bit of button press is worth more as registered input for the game.
Also will it require to relearn precision, because the natural limits of the trigger motion range are not aligned to the limits the game registers anymore.
Either you are cutting from "beginning" which means you need to press more before the game starts registering any input,
or you are cutting from "end" which means the game registers full input much sooner.

In extreme cases, you practically could reduce the trigger to a "binary" reaction of between 0% and 100% on a touch.
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All the "long bars" are the distance I have pressed, all the blue bars are what the game will register, all the grey bars are "dead zone".

I had different ideas, as to why I asked the question, I thought if you set a dead zone on the brake it could reach a 100 percent brake by time you have only pressed your trigger to 80.percent, ( is this not how it can work ?) as it stands the final 20 percent of my brake trigger left side, is just not acting the way I would like it to behave

Main reason being is I always release the brake trigger to quick from 100 percent to 80 percent, which then means I'm releasing to quick from 80.to 50 percent, the rest is ok.

So im hoping that setting a dead zone between 80.percent and 100 percent or there abouts will make a huge difference,

I'm also certain that the quickness in which I'm realising the trigger from 100.percent to 80 is so quick that setting a dead zone there is a matter of.less than 1 tenth of. second to get from 100 percent to 80 percent.

But then from 80 percent to 0 percent my release is much more controllable.


I'm trying to adapt different techniques, with what equipment I have but nothing seems.to.change the situation.


I. also have another question.for the racers here

I'm trying to work something out.

On the grand valley highway 1 currently on daily race b sport mode is there any difference between road grip when your practicing the same track but in a custom race ?.

I'm confused I've set a custom race 10 laps with bop turned on, and using hard tyres, so all the settings is the same even the car, as if you would be racing at grand valley in sport mode online, even the weather is the same, however the time of day is referenced on my custom on race.as afternoon , but it's not on the grand valley race when you play online in sport mode ? Or am I missing something,.is. it referenced somewhere.

What annoying me is when I set a custom race and do 10 laps I get 20 consecutive 1 min 48 second laps and mostly low .1. 48s even had a 1.47 as well, however I go into the online sport mode qualifier and everything changes, I'm not able to get the same grip I'm not able to turn in at the speed i would like and I have to adapt.whats the answer ?.anyone know.

Is it a case of rebooting your.ps5 maybe ?

 

[Meythia]

So im hoping that setting a dead zone between 80.percent and 100 percent or there abouts will make a huge difference,

You could do that, if you think it benefits your driving.

when I set a custom race

Time trials have no change in conditions.
In a custom race you will have different temperature and winds.
This alone is enough to make a noticeably difference.

 

[flying-chick]

You could do that, if you think it benefits your driving.
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Time trials have no change in conditions.
In a custom race you will have different temperature and winds.
This alone is enough to make a noticeably difference.

hi thanks, is there any app that lets you do this for the dual sense wireless controller ( not edge).

I'm still confused, my lap times and grip is the same when I drive the nismo, in a custom race and a online sport race, but in the huracan its not, I'm wondering if the brake bias reacts differently in online sport mode, or just maybe I was tired and not racing that well in a qualifier,

I always drive better in race than I do in a qualifiers for some strange reason, it why I never practice that much in qualifiers I'll always set a custom race in professional mode and start from last and try to win the race, I always find after 10 laps I get used to any new car, and the next time round my laps will be consistent and I'll smash it 😂

 

[Meythia]

is there any app that lets you do this for the dual sense wireless controller

Im not aware of any such app.
I guess Sony consideres these premium software features a part of the Edge price (which is quite expensive), otherwise they very likely could simply activate most of the features on a common DualSense controller.
Need something to standout of all the other premium controllers that are available and offer different kinds of advantages, like Hall-Effect Sticks for example, as the Edge has nothing otherwise premium about it (even the rubber is not very longlasting).

 

[flying-chick]

Im not aware of any such app.
I guess Sony consideres these premium software features a part of the Edge price (which is quite expensive), otherwise they very likely could simply activate most of the features on a common DualSense controller.
Need something to standout of all the other premium controllers that are available and offer different kinds of advantages, like Hall-Effect Sticks for example, as the Edge has nothing otherwise premium about it (even the rubber is not very longlasting).

I would agree with this, it's just another disappointment I'm now having to get use to. From what I can gather is it seems Sony are charging more than double the price for a piece of software on a controller 😔. That's just plain old mean.

I don't know how they can justify this other than just greed I guess.

It's the same for the games to really upto 80 percent of on sales and 50 percent for top games, but then yeah, boom up they go.

There all at it really, all the big retailers always put there prices up at Christmas too.