Transmission Tuning -- top speed vs final ratio

[-raVer-]

Nicely calculated 👍

Now the question:

Which one accelerates faster?


raVer

 

[AssassinTuner]

Nicely calculated 👍

Now the question:

Which one accelerates faster?

raVer

None, all the same unfortunatly. Sorry to disappoint.

Anybody feel free to use ravers gears, it makes no difference. What's good about using ravers gears as an example is that his original gears use a 4.500 fd, this will prove my point over min medium and max FD.

Here they are again incase you missed it.


raVers gears

Min FD

Max FD

 

[-raVer-]

I´m not disapointed.

I didn´t knew the original FD was 4.500.I only did a quick calculaton using your settings

The funny thing is , the set Top Speed is nearly the same as in the upper right.


raVer

 

[praiano63]

All of them perform the same exactly.

I agree totaly . I've tested this several time ,that's why i let the stock FD on all my gear boxes now. I just use it to modulate my tune without modifing it.

For me,i'm not a mechanical or very good in Math, but i think that if you have 6 gears to help you to defeat the inertia with a certain amount of power, the best way to do it is the longer 1st gear, the shorter 6 gear and the others spreaded between those 2. Like this all the gears will work in their optimum shorter RPM range and produce the most eficient work.

That's what i notice during all my tuning session. Simple but eficient.

 

[AssassinTuner]

I´m not disapointed.

I didn´t knew the original FD was 4.500.I only did a quick calculaton using your settings

The funny thing is , the set Top Speed is nearly the same as in the upper right.

raVer

You posted it... You had to type it in.

All pics show the same ts in the top right, what do you mean?

Ohh and those are default settings, if you were able to recalculate it for 4.500 you could of done it for 3.000 & 6.000 don't waist my time...

I agree totaly . I've tested this several time ,that's why i let the stock FD on all my gear boxes now. I just use it to modulate my tune without modifing it.

For me,i'm not a mechanical or very good in Math, but i think that if you have 6 gears to help you to defeat the inertia with a certain amount of power, the best way to do it is the longer 1st gear, the shorter 6 gear and the others spreaded between those 2. Like this all the gears will work in their optimum shorter RPM range and produce the most eficient work.

That's what i notice during all my tuning session. Simple but eficient.

You can see what's real, and whats just unfounded hype to impress those who don't know any better.

Its why your Garage does well.

 

[-raVer-]

I assume you have calculated them with your calc.
I calculated these settings with help of your settings without knowing the default settings of the car.


raVer

 

[CSLACR]

I assume you have calculated them with your calc.
I calculated these settings with help of your settings without knowing the default settings of the car.


raVer

You don't have to calculate them, you just adjust the final drive, and move the "top speed" slider over and back to it's original place and the game does it for you.

 

[AssassinTuner]

I assume you have calculated them with your calc.
I calculated these settings with help of your settings without knowing the default settings of the car.

raVer

My settings? What do you speak of? I've only posted default settings and an original calculation not even close to what you posted. Please clarify.

What do you think you have shown exactly?

 

[-raVer-]

You don't have to calculate them, you just adjust the final drive, and move the "top speed" slider over and back to it's original place and the game does it for you.

How should I do that ?
I don´t even have this Civic


raVer

 

[AssassinTuner]

How should I do that ?
I don´t even have this Civic

raVer

What are you trying to point out in this thread? You don't make sense and your post seem pointless...

 

[-raVer-]

What are you trying to point out in this thread? You don't make sense and your post seem pointless...

How did you calculate the gear settings for 3.000 and 6.000 FD at a 149 top speed ?


raVer

 

[AssassinTuner]

You don't have to calculate them, you just adjust the final drive, and move the "top speed" slider over and back to it's original place and the game does it for you.

The calc will do it on adjusted gears also. Just incase somebody doesn't like the simplicity of the default settings or the TS slider for testing.

You are right though, its as simple as your method to test it (or the hidden one I posted, I wonder if you noticed it between the lines) . I like to be definitive. glad its clear to some.

 

[CSLACR]

How did you calculate the gear settings for 3.000 and 6.000 FD at a 149 top speed ?


raVer

You don't have to calculate them, you just adjust the final drive, and move the "top speed" slider over and back to it's original place and the game does it for you.
Yes, this is exactly the same as my last post.

 

[AssassinTuner]

How did you calculate the gear settings for 3.000 and 6.000 FD at a 149 top speed ?

raVer

Look at the pics, they all say 150mph. Where do you see 149?

Ohh the ts slider, lol

I already posted the simple formulas used, but as just explained twice, the game will do it for you on untampered TS tuner setting.

I still don't see your point. I'm happy for you I guess, you did what exactly?

You don't have to calculate them, you just adjust the final drive, and move the "top speed" slider over and back to it's original place and the game does it for you.
Yes, this is exactly the same as my last post.

I've been repeating myself but in different words, I should try your method

 

[-raVer-]

You don't have to calculate them, you just adjust the final drive, and move the "top speed" slider over and back to it's original place and the game does it for you.
Yes, this is exactly the same as my last post.

click..

Now I know what you mean. Sorry for misunderstanding.

I thought you only moved the FD slider (gives a way different top speed at 3.000 and 6.000 FD with a 149 top peed setting)


raVer

 

[AssassinTuner]

click..

Now I know what you mean. Sorry for misunderstanding.

I thought you only moved the FD slider (gives a way different top speed at 3.000 and 6.000 FD with a 149 top peed setting)

raVer

Nope, as I said adjust the ts slider away one click then back to original position. It will realine the gears.

Your posts make much more sense now (lil arrogant, while your missunderstanding) its all good though, you had the "click" so keep that in mind in the future.

Cheers, we good?

 

[CSLACR]

Right, after you adjust the final drive...

Adjust the top speed.

 

[-raVer-]

Nope, as I said adjust the ts slider away one click then back to original position. It will realine the gears.

Your posts make much more sense now (lil arrogant, while your missunderstanding) its all good though, you had the "click" so keep that in mind in the future.

Cheers, we good?

Sometimes I need to read twice to get the "click".

We were bad?


raVer

 

[AssassinTuner]

Sometimes I need to read twice to get the "click".

We were bad?

raVer

No worries.

Nope, not in my mind, just checking. I'm glad we are good.

 

[dr_slump]

What a funny thread.
A couple guys are debating like hell, but they completely miss the point.
Everything you guys posted is more or less correct, but useless......

I'm so sorry!

 

[AssassinTuner]

What a funny thread.
A couple guys are debating like hell, but they completely miss the point.
Everything you guys posted is more or less correct, but useless......

That's your opinion. You have the right to have one. If I recall you couldn't keep on topic & got lost with your slider limitations bs. You got topic slapped, now come back to call it useless? What a useless contribution you have made.

I don't see debunking missinformation as "useless". Its actually not done enough with all the bs that goes on around here.

Your post does seem "useless" but that's just My opinion.

 

[dr_slump]

That's your opinion. You have the right to have one. If I recall you couldn't keep on topic & got lost with your slider limitations bs. You got topic slapped, now come back to call it useless? What a useless contribution you have made.

I don't see debunking missinformation as "useless". Its actually not done enough with all the bs that goes on around here.

Your post does seem "useless" but that's just My opinion.

I called it useless, because you tried to "prove" (your words) that RJ (and I) is wrong. Your goal with your last few posts wasn't to answer to the OP.

Your posts are usefull to answer the OP, but not to prove somebody wrong.

 

[AssassinTuner]

I called it useless, because you tried to "prove" (your words) that RJ (and I) is wrong. Your goal with your last few posts wasn't to answer to the OP.

It is usefull to answer the OP, but not to prove somebody wrong.

More like "Proved" you guys wrong (if you think the same as RJ believing one of the posted variations out performs annother), I wasn't expect you guys to take it like men.

 

[dr_slump]

More like "Proved" you guys wrong (if you think the same as RJ believing one of the posted variations out performs annother), I wasn't expect you guys to take it like men.

Puuhhhh!

The problem was that we meant something else. It was correct what you posted, but it had no relation to what we said. BIG MISSUNDERSTANDING!..........(again! )

 

[AssassinTuner]

Puuhhhh!

The problem was that we meant something else. It was correct what you posted, but it had no relation to what we said. BIG MISSUNDERSTANDING!..........(again! )

You need to learn to read Doctor.

Please show me proof that they will perform the same rather than just blowing smoke.

Also, for obvious reasons, if the car hits the rev limiter w/ final at 6.000 and xyz gearset it'll hit the rev limiter at the same speed w/ final at 3.000 and equal overall ratios.

I'm saying you'll accelerate faster. Not "go faster", though as long as you're not hitting the rev limiter at the top of top gear it should be slightly faster.

Make a vidja "proving" there's no difference in acceleration time.

The only person missunderstanding is YOU Doc.

 

[dr_slump]

You need to learn to read Doctor.
---
The only person missunderstanding is YOU Doc.

Hmm let's see.....

Nom nom nom, enough off topic. Chuyler, my point of view on it is to run the absolute tallest (numerically low) final drive as you can and compensate ( ) with numerically higher transmission ratios. It definitely helps acceleration in-game (and would in the real world if it were remotely practical) and is how all the cool kids in the drag rooms do it. And how my RX-7 cracked into the 8.0 1/4 mile range in GT4.

I see......missed "compensate". My fault, sorry! Ok I was wrong about what concerns him.

But here I am:

GT5 transmissions have a limited range of gear ratios. This FD thing is the only way to set the gears as close as possible. If you still don't believe me, I can give you an example of a super close transmission.

No, what he I want to say is that a lower FD allows you to set the gears closer and that with the same top speed.

You see? You misunderstand too!

 

[AssassinTuner]

Hmm let's see.....

I see......missed "compensate". My fault, sorry! Ok I was wrong about what concerns him.

But here I am:

You see? You misunderstand too!

I didn't missunderstand annything Doc. The disscussion went that direction due to the nature of the OP's question (making it actually on topic) scrutinizing over the impact and value of a low FD value.

YOU made your point, and haven:t been able to get past it. Nobody disputes your method of getting ratios available on the slider. We are just discussing the difference between a tall FD & a short FD.

If you can read you would see me and RJ differ on opinion of that impact, I've gone on to prove him wrong, while I don't ever expect him to man up...

Get a move on Bro...

 

[dr_slump]

YOU made your point, and haven:t been able to get past it. Nobody disputes your method of getting ratios available on the slider. We are just discussing the difference between a tall FD & a short FD.

If you can read you would see me and RJ differ on opinion of that impact, I've gone on to prove him wrong, while I don't ever expect him to man up...

Get a move on Bro...

Nobody? You did or let's say you tried.

Yes, okay, I was wrong what RJ concerns.

And I'm sorry with this: click

Move on? Ok: Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand. Good one? Guess who said that.

 

[AssassinTuner]

Nobody? You did or let's say you tried.

Yes, okay, I was wrong what RJ concerns.

And I'm sorry with this: click

Move on? Ok: Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand. Good one? Guess who said that.

You are seriously confused Doc...

Here is how I responded. You think this is trying to dispute your point?

How so?

I can calculate the gears that work exactly the same. That disproves the "Theory" of RJs

If Dr YOU are saying this is a trick to get the availible values for the gears because of the in game sliders limitations. That's a different story.

I'm only saying they work the same if geared the same, disproving RJs theory.

The limitations of the sliders avalible values is a different story.

Get a grip...

 

[dr_slump]

Here is how I responded. You think this is trying to dispute your point?

How so?

I already answered to this post.

You are seriously confused Doc...

Holy 🤬! You're right! I'm confused like hell and this in a constant state!