Tron Legacy - 80's geeks rejoice!!!

[FoolKiller]

So, it is a direct sequel to Tron, and the official explanation given at Comic Con is:

a 3D high-tech adventure set in a digital world that's unlike anything ever captured on the big screen. Sam Flynn (Hedlund), the tech-savvy 27-year-old son of Kevin Flynn (Bridges), looks into his father's disappearance and finds himself pulled into the same world of fierce programs and gladiatorial games where his father has been living for 25 years. Along with Kevin's loyal confidant (Olivia Wilde), father and son embark on a life-and-death journey across a visually-stunning cyber universe that has become far more advanced and exceedingly dangerous.

Oh, and a teaser can be seen here:
http://www.flynnlives.com/media/video/0xendgame.aspx

I just geeked out.

 

[TB]

I was at the mall this morning with the wife and kids and saw some grill glasses and told my wife "Great. The craptacular 80's are back."

I humbly retract that statement as only two words can accurately sum this up.

Hell. Yes.

 

[McLaren]

I was at the mall this morning with the wife and kids and saw some grill glasses and told my wife "Great. The craptacular 80's are back."

I humbly retract that statement as only two words can accurately sum this up.

Hell. Yes.

On the topic of grill glasses, those seemed to have come back when Kanye wore them....

But, I am excited for the next Tron. 👍

 

[Anderton Prime]

This looks genuinely good. Loving Jeff Bridges' crazy Lebowski beard.

 

[Omnis]

Tron always freaked me out. But apparently LightCycles have brakes now.

 

[FoolKiller]

This looks genuinely good. Loving Jeff Bridges' crazy Lebowski beard.

I seriously hopes that this works as an example of how if you bring back a 20+ year-old franchise and remain faithful to the source it is possible to not suck.

Tron always freaked me out. But apparently LightCycles have brakes now.

Well, it is a much more advanced world now. Of course, it could just be a mod.

 

[niky]

Whee! (giggles fanboyishly...)

This could go either way, but I'm hoping it goes the "awesome" way.

 

[PureAwesomeness]

Daft Punk are doing the soundtrack so my bet is this is going to be pretty cool:tup:

 

[mafia_boy]

If DP are doing the soundtrack you know it's going to be pretty true to form. I was a closet Tron fan, and I hope this new one DOES follow on from the original because it was a good film. 👍

Prepare to see the original film in syndicate on your TV's soon I'd say.

 

[Speedy Samurai]

did I miss the 90 degree turns..

I only worry that this could become just a CG fest...

 

[Studentdriver]

OK, so I had been anticipating this for a while, and when I found out Daft Punk was scoring the film (is "scoring" even the right word considering their craft?) I got really hyped up...but I hadn't even seen the original.

Which I've just amended. I liked the movie. I do think the ending was a bit too chaotic, even though I liked the fact that you often didn't know what was going on. And despite the fact that the ending was chaotic, it still came to a definite conclusion.

I'm still excited for the sequel, and I still think it could be good, but after seeing the original I'm left wondering: Why? Is there really a need for a sequel? I realize the main point here is that this is chance to cash in big-time, and I have no problem with that. But I just don't see how a sequel could continue the flow of the original. I did see on a thread on IMDb that (going to spoilers in case anyone reading was in my predicament)

Spoiler

Flynn's son is going to investigate what happened to his father 27 years ago blah blah blah. If Flynn made it back, what's the point? It seems fairly obvious to me that he didn't hide what had happened to him, at least among his closest friends. And it looks as if Clu, or whatever program Flynn has written that we see in this trailer, is on the same power trip that the MCP was on. Essentially, I think, the way the trailer looks, this sequel may only end up convoluting the conclusion of the original for the sake of the sequel.

Any comments from people more familiar with the original movie?*





















* - considerably older than me?

 

[bergauk]

Daft Punk are doing the soundtrack so my bet is this is going to be pretty cool:tup:

As long as it sounds NOTHING like their actual music, I think it might be good. DP has always disgusted me. They're doing the exact same thing as many other DJ's they're just more noticed.

On a happy note. I cannot wait to see this. I saw Tron in its entirety a few months back and loved it.

 

[PureAwesomeness]

As long as it sounds NOTHING like their actual music, I think it might be good. DP has always disgusted me. They're doing the exact same thing as many other DJ's they're just more noticed.

On a happy note. I cannot wait to see this. I saw Tron in its entirety a few months back and loved it.

No, they're infinitely more talented than most DJs but if you don't get it you probably never will.

 

[bergauk]

No, they're infinitely more talented than most DJs but if you don't get it you probably never will.

Not really, but think what you will. They're highly overrated. Any idiot can make the same words be repeated over and over to an annoying beat. I'm talking about pretty much every song they've ever done. I'm sorry they're not the most talented people on the planet perhaps you should dig deeper into techno/electronica, besides the mainstream. You'll find that they're very mediocre.


If you feel like discussing this any further please don't hesitate to shoot me a PM, I'll gladly banter with you for a while.

 

[Hun200kmh]

I really liked "TRON" when it was released (it's what? 20 years? I think I was in college back then) and I do remember it often, but never got to see it again (never found it in DVD)

Wouldn't it be cool seeing a guy get into a PS3, fighting one of the "superservers" from PSN that got selfaware and with his own ideas about ruling the world, and ...

a) racing in Gran Turismo against a bunch of mean GTLMs?

b) getting his apartment in PS Home blown up by a squad of Killzone characters?

c) Hiding in the wrecked town we see in the Uncharted2 trailer ...

and so on?

 

[Jedi2016]

Spoiler

Flynn's son is going to investigate what happened to his father 27 years ago blah blah blah. If Flynn made it back, what's the point? It seems fairly obvious to me that he didn't hide what had happened to him, at least among his closest friends. And it looks as if Clu, or whatever program Flynn has written that we see in this trailer, is on the same power trip that the MCP was on. Essentially, I think, the way the trailer looks, this sequel may only end up convoluting the conclusion of the original for the sake of the sequel.

Responding spoiler with spoiler:

Spoiler

The way I understand it, he's not investigating what happened back in the 80's.. he's trying to find where his father is now. In the intervening years, Flynn has willingly gone back into the computer, where he's lived for the last 20 years. We don't yet know why. How Flynn Jr. gets inside is anybody's guess, but they apparently team up to defeat some new threat. Whatever that new program is, the one that looks like Clu, it's probably just something that Flynn created to maintain control inside. He's a User, remember, he's like a god in there (think Neo and the Matrix), but he can't be everywhere at once. Also, remember that this "teaser" was shown a year ago as more of a proof-of-concept than a real trailer for the film, so what happens in the teaser may not have any relevance to the film itself, aside from the fact that Flynn is back inside.

I'm going to go watch the original now.. lol.

 

[FoolKiller]

Here is some more cool stuff from Comic Con.

http://io9.com/5322645/io9-visits-flynns-arcade-gets-first-look-at-new-light-cycle/gallery/

 

[mafia_boy]

*looks at high scores*

Can we safely suggest that the 1 million point barrier will be broken this time?? I think the son will do that task as Flynn got 999,000.

 

[FoolKiller]

It is now time to resurrect this thread with a jump from concept trailer to official trailer:

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[Joey D]

It better not be in 3D. Disney has already committed a sacrilege by resurrecting an 80's classic and making it into something modern. I can almost guarantee this will turn into Star Wars Episodes 1-3. The whole budget blown on special effects and nothing on anything else. I haven't the foggiest idea what made the original Tron so awesome, but I'm guessing the sequel will lack it.

 

[FoolKiller]

It better not be in 3D.

Um, it was produced from the ground up with 3D in mind, as opposed to the sudden rush to convert everything into 3D that is currently occurring. At worst it will be Avatar quality in the 3D department.

EDIT: Did you even watch the trailer? It has a huge IMAX 3D logo at the end.

Disney has already committed a sacrilege by resurrecting an 80's classic and making it into something modern.

I would have to disagree. Tron was one of the first movies to utilize computer graphics in a large way, one of the first to recognize video games as a growing pop culture medium and make that part of the plot, and one of the first films to show the concept of computer AI taking control of itself, and threatening to control humans, as well as the concept that despite that humans still control the virtual world the AI works within. It takes concepts brought about by Asimov, combines them with the then budding video game culture and puts forth technological concepts used by Hollywood ever since, and it did it all using CGI in a way relatively unheard of at the time. Disney considered itself to be taking a risk to utilize Computer graphics in such a way and now look at what they do with Pixar. Many movies we see now owe a lot to what Tron did. And part of me strongly believes Frisbee (as well as a dozen early video games) owe Tron a lot of thanks.

So, the truth is that what made it a classic was the fact that it was one of the first steps toward what is now something modern, and the story is supposedly designed to reflect that it has been decades between the two stories. The world of Tron won't be modern just because Hollywood has the technology to do it, but because the technology in the world of Tron has also grown.

I can almost guarantee this will turn into Star Wars Episodes 1-3. The whole budget blown on special effects and nothing on anything else.

This is a fear I have, but until my hopes are crushed I will continue to be excited. I mean, this isn't like Transformers where I saw one trailer and heard Michael Bay's name and knew it would suck. So far there has been nothing to make me think this will be bad. It could be argued this is being done like Rambo and Rocky, reviving a classic franchise, except Jeff Bridges has no need to revive his career. He isn't making a desperate cash grab to remain relevant, but he is saying that he wanted to be on board for something he believes will be great. I just hope this isn't the beginning of the end of his career. Looking at how development has progressed since it was green lighted in 2005 it looks like this has been given a proper long-term approach and not rushed out as a huge cash grab.

I haven't the foggiest idea what made the original Tron so awesome, but I'm guessing the sequel will lack it.

Admittedly, there was a lot of tech geek references involved that appealed largely to the old school computer and gaming culture at a time before it was commonplace. In the 80's I am sure the relevance of characters named Ram and Bit were lost on most of the audience.

 

[Joey D]

Um, it was produced from the ground up with 3D in mind, as opposed to the sudden rush to convert everything into 3D that is currently occurring. At worst it will be Avatar quality in the 3D department.

EDIT: Did you even watch the trailer? It has a huge IMAX 3D logo at the end.

My work computer wouldn't let me watch the trailer you posted so I looked up a trailer on YouTube. Must have been cut short or something because I didn't see the logo.

3D is going to be the death of in theatre movies for me, I find it ridiculous and not needed. Avatar was sort of cool but the entire budget seemed to be sunk into making blue people jump out of the screen at me instead of creating a story that wasn't Dances with Wolves in space. Visuals do almost nothing for me if it can't be backed up with a plot.

So, the truth is that what made it a classic was the fact that it was one of the first steps toward what is now something modern, and the story is supposedly designed to reflect that it has been decades between the two stories. The world of Tron won't be modern just because Hollywood has the technology to do it, but because the technology in the world of Tron has also grown.

I don't know, I think they should have just left it alone. Hollywood tends to botch stuff like that as seen with just about every sequel out there. I don't think it will carry the same charm as the first one; the same wonderment. I mean what's so hard about just coming up with a new movie instead of reviving old ones?

Also most of the people that will go to see the movie won't have a clue of the original. Hell the movie was five years old when I was born and I probably first saw it in 1992/1993, some 10 years after it first came out. But I sort of understood what was going on.

I don't know, I'm having a hard time justifying my disgust for Tron: Legacy because deep down I hope it's the coolest thing since sliced bread. I hope it makes me feel like I'm 5, I want it to make me want to go to the theatre over and over again. But realistically Hollywood has botched more movies in the past 5-10years then done it right, so I'm expecting the worst and it's going to be awful if they do botch this.

This is a fear I have, but until my hopes are crushed I will continue to be excited. I mean, this isn't like Transformers where I saw one trailer and heard Michael Bay's name and knew it would suck. So far there has been nothing to make me think this will be bad. It could be argued this is being done like Rambo and Rocky, reviving a classic franchise, except Jeff Bridges has no need to revive his career. He isn't making a desperate cash grab to remain relevant, but he is saying that he wanted to be on board for something he believes will be great. I just hope this isn't the beginning of the end of his career. Looking at how development has progressed since it was green lighted in 2005 it looks like this has been given a proper long-term approach and not rushed out as a huge cash grab.

Like I said, it's modern that's enough for me to think it's going to suck. Plus it's a Disney movie and they tend to be real hit or miss. I mean when they do it right it's epic beyond belief, but when they half ass it, it really shows. I have a hard time getting excited about a lot of Disney films now, although when it's branded as Pixar I'm strangely OK with it.

I'll guess I've have to wait and see.

 

[YSSMAN]

Aside from the technical discussions of the film, I think what excites me most is that we literally have no idea what has happened between the 1982 film and the one that will be here at the end of the year. As someone who has watched Tron as recently as last week, the new trailer left me a little confused, but excited to the point where I was practically shaking while seeing it in 3D in front of Alice in Wonderland.


I guess for me, this is going to be the film that challenges Avatar in look, feel and sound. I hope my expectations will be met. Plus, Daft Punk.

 

[FoolKiller]

Aside from the technical discussions of the film, I think what excites me most is that we literally have no idea what has happened between the 1982 film and the one that will be here at the end of the year. As someone who has watched Tron as recently as last week, the new trailer left me a little confused, but excited to the point where I was practically shaking while seeing it in 3D in front of Alice in Wonderland.

I am guessing that there is some back story between Tron and Tron Legacy that we will learn in this film. My guess is that Flynn went back in. The trailer shows a hidden lab with the laser scanner in the arcade, and Alan mentions that he said he was on to something big before he disappeared. My guess is that he was developing a new program that got out of hand, like MCP did. They say the phone in the office was disconnected for 20 years in the trailer, which I am guessing gives us a time frame for Flynn's disappearance, and assuming the first movie is based in 1982 and this one is based in 2010, that leaves an eight year gap between the first film and Flynn's disappearance. That eight years leaves wiggle room to explain why Flynn has a son and is now back in the machine.

But my biggest clue is this:

That is a computer youthified Jeff Bridges. My guess is it is a new Clu program, with one very big problem. If they are sticking to the character color scheme from the original film he appears to be flanked by Security or MCP programs (bad guys), and he doesn't appear to be a prisoner.

 

[YSSMAN]

All I'm looking for is a halfway decent story and computer graphics to blow me away. Despite the fact that the original Tron came out in 1982, it still looks pretty decent. It would blow my mind if this one could hold up like that.

I just wish they would have kept the TR2N title.

 

[FoolKiller]

All I'm looking for is a halfway decent story and computer graphics to blow me away. Despite the fact that the original Tron came out in 1982, it still looks pretty decent. It would blow my mind if this one could hold up like that.

According to something my brother-in-law read they expect Tron Legacy to have a similar "blow me away" effect to Avatar.

I just wish they would have kept the TR2N title.

My guess is that they decided that didn't quite work, as there doesn't appear to be an actual Tron character. From what I have gathered of the story Bruce Boxleitner is just giving a cameo as Alan. In fact, IMDB only lists his character as Alan Bradley, no Tron. But then it doesn't have Clu listed by Jeff Bridges, just Kevin Flynn, and I am positive we are looking at Clu, unless Flynn's User abilities can change his own physical appearance.


EDIT: Actually, knowing how Hollywood likes to work, I would not be surprised if Tron (or Alan) does make a sudden appearance at the end in a very literal Deus Ex Machina moment to save the day just as all looks lost. I would put a bet on that happening somehow. A small bet, but a bet that I am positive is safe.

 

[YSSMAN]

So, I wasn't able to get in the TR2N panel at Comic Con. Big surprise, since you typically have to be in line for Hall H at 7AM, and I didn't have my badge until well after 9AM. Anyway, a couple days into the show, I managed to find my way down to Flynn's Arcade down on 6th to see what Disney had to show us.

So, you wait in line outside this little building marked with a large neon sign saying "FLYNN'S" outside. Totally rad, they got the aesthetic down pretty well based on the original film. They're only letting 15 people in at a time, and every person gets a small, blue coin purse labeled "Tron" with seven Flynn's Arcade tokens, some of which are marked with some of the games playable in the arcade. When you're in there, to the right you can go and play a bunch of classic arcade titles. Joust, Donkey Kong, Galaga, Pac Man, and so on... To the left, you could play the new Tron Legacy game. But in the back, that's where the secrets were hidden. You would go to the back, find the Tron game case, and then pull it forward to reveal a hidden passage to some nifty TR2N goodies.

You weave around a bit in the dark, and then are greeted by a gentleman showing off some props from the original 1982 film. My phone wasn't able to do the things justice, but they were seriously impressive pieces, back when practical effects were still the name of the game. I really wanted to touch the big Digitizer, but alas, it could only remain a dream.

After leaving that spot, you're lead up an even darker corridor that is brightly lit up with a teal light, nearly blinding you. Taking a left, you end up entering the bar that we've seen multiple times from the new Tron Legacy trailers. Portions of the new Daft Punk score are blasting, which totally blew me away in their awesomeness. There was a small ARG to play in there, but I couldn't find the coasters people were using. They had a bunch of the new Tron swag to show off that we'll be able to buy closer to the end of the year, as well as handing out some nifty Coke Zero from some futuristic vending machines.

Then, they play the trailer on the back screens. "WOAH," was my only reaction. This movie is going to be absolutely killer come December, especially with what they've shown us here at the show. I cannot wait.

 

[FoolKiller]

Thanks for the info and pictures. A first-hand account of the stuff from Comic Con is always a bonus.

 

[Omnis]

I wonder how many girls are going to sport that Quorra bob cut after this movie. It looks so cute on O.Wilde.

Anyone know the difference between Real3D and Disney 3D? I saw Toy Story 3 in Real 3D and hated it-- I think Real 3D is such a gimmick. I assume imax 3D is the best and gives you the best experience. Don't you still wear those giant headsets?

 

[YSSMAN]

I'm not sure if there is a huge difference between Real D and Disney 3D. My guess is that knowing they were in a race with Cameron's 3D imaging nonsense, this will be legit stuff. Otherwise, seeing it in IMAX will probably be best. I bought my tickets last week for it, will be getting there hella early to get a good seat. I don't want to get dicked over like I did with Avatar and so on.