I've got tickets booked at our new Imax digital screen for Monday next week, I've had these seats booked before and they are in the perfect position (in the centre and about a third of the way back) with no one in front so I won't be bothered about the riff raff. It'll be the first 3D film I've seen on the Imax screen so hopefully it'll be better than the other 3D stuff I've been to see.
Tron Legacy - 80's geeks rejoice!!!
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I cannot wait to see this, been looking forward to it since it was announced with that epic teaser trailer at comic con when the audience went wild. I'l be seeing it a normal cinema though, not really a fan of IMAX (as no film has ever been truly 100% IMAX) or 3D.
I wish some TV channel would show the original Tron to refresh my memory before I go to see it. In the mean time I'l have to listen to this
Robin.
I wish some TV channel would show the original Tron to refresh my memory before I go to see it. In the mean time I'l have to listen to this
Robin.
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Hey guys!
I was lucky enough to have the chance to work on this movie this summer, and it was a joy! I attended a screening today with my current company that worked on the movie as well. All in all, the movie turned out great! The trailers don't just reveal the best parts, there is alot to look at in this movie.
I worked as a Lighting Artist and Layout Artist on parts of the digital world, and absolutely loved every minute of it. It was quite a big task to put together a digital world of this scale, but it turned out really good.
I don't think people will be disappointed. The CG Jeff Bridges looked great! It's the same team that did The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, so the bar was set already. There are a few shots where the CG head doesn't hold up as well, but for the most part, it looked great. Lots of action, the story is decent, it works. I hadn't watched the first one yet, it came out before I was born, but you don't have to watch it to understand what's going on in Tron: Legacy. Enough of the history is covered to get a good grasp of what's going on.
I was lucky enough to have the chance to work on this movie this summer, and it was a joy! I attended a screening today with my current company that worked on the movie as well. All in all, the movie turned out great! The trailers don't just reveal the best parts, there is alot to look at in this movie.
I worked as a Lighting Artist and Layout Artist on parts of the digital world, and absolutely loved every minute of it. It was quite a big task to put together a digital world of this scale, but it turned out really good.
I don't think people will be disappointed. The CG Jeff Bridges looked great! It's the same team that did The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, so the bar was set already. There are a few shots where the CG head doesn't hold up as well, but for the most part, it looked great. Lots of action, the story is decent, it works. I hadn't watched the first one yet, it came out before I was born, but you don't have to watch it to understand what's going on in Tron: Legacy. Enough of the history is covered to get a good grasp of what's going on.
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Watched this in 3D on saturday. Went in with very low expectations but figured the 3D would at least bring the movie to life. The peak of the movie is about 1/4 of the way through. A fighting scene inside some sort of transforming, floating glass room which was awesome. This is followed by an incredible motorcycle scene that most of us recognize from the game. Once you get past that part of the movie it just never recovers. Gets slower and slower and slower. A lot of akward slow moments that just were not necessary. Then the movie just ends with a rather weak ending. I was really hoping for a lot of great 3d effects but that 1/4 peak was about it. I would give it a 5/10 and thats in 3D.
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Game? This is not based on a game. Have you seen the original film? If you recognize it only from a game you may be lacking quite a bit of background. It makes the relevance of Dillinger in the beginning mean nothing, who Tron is and his overall relevance seem crammed in, the Bits unrecognizable, and some of the lines seem awkward when certain characters pause after hearing them.
That said, it had room to be better, but my take on it isn't quite as negative as yours.
I saw it in IMAX 3D. I was a fan of the original film. I honestly don't think 3D was necessary, and it even had 2D scenes, which it states at the opening were intended to be seen that way. The problem is that the 3D was so understated that I almost didn't notice it anymore after about halfway through the film.
The initial story of Kevin Flynn's son, Sam, looking into his father's disappearance at the request of Alan Bradley, Tron's creator, works. But when you get into The Grid it becomes a very Isaac Asimov like tale. In fact, it was eerily reminiscent of the Will Smith version of I Robot in its roots. But the message of a person with the greatest intentions can still have the fault of vanity was well made and a perfect contrast to the power and greed of the first film.
But overall, this film suffered greatly from an unoriginal tale and even multiple uncalled for instances of Deus Ex Machina (literally at one point) for our characters to reach the end. And one of those even creates a tad plot hole.
It was excellent in the effects department. Clu looked excellent and the difference between him and Young Kevin Flynn in flashback scenes was just enough so only one really seemed human just by looking at them. And it included all the right touches to make it a Tron film. Seeing old Kevin Flynn still talking like a recovered hippy ("You're messing with my Zen thing, man."), having certain quotes brought up to fit new situations, and The Games were all perfect touches to let Tron fans of old know this is the same place they remember, only more advanced and slightly different.
Overall I am rating this, as a movie, at 6.5/10. I feel 7/10 would be too generous. It is a good film and fun, and while it is far better than any Transformers live-action film it is not a great film.
Now, as a Tron fanboy that can go on about MCPs, Bits, Users, Programs, Identity Discs, etc I feel this is an 8/10. It was a movie made for Tron fans more than everyone, which may be why CAMAROBOY69 didn't find it as awesome as I did.
Now, some questions for those that got to go see it (will be spoilers for those that haven't):
1) So, did Flynn destroy The Grid? all that was left was the water.
2) Did Tron die? Even if The Grid was destroyed, he was in the water.
3) And if Flynn had THAT much power why was he trapped? Build a new portal and make it operable from your side one-time only. He literally was the God of that world. If a touch can create Clu then why can't it kill him that easily too? That last scene showed too much power, which left some questionable plot holes in the backstory.
4) Why can't Sam do that? He's a user, clearly as good as his father at programming.
5) And is Flynn dead? He gave Cora his Identity Disc. Sam downloads it at the end. Cutting away when he asks her to do it may have been to hide that he knew he may have to sacrifice himself to stop Clu.
6) And that opens a new sequel door wide. A new Grid may be all that is necessary to bring Flynn back, and if Tron is alive off-grid that opens up some decent plot possibilities.
2) Did Tron die? Even if The Grid was destroyed, he was in the water.
3) And if Flynn had THAT much power why was he trapped? Build a new portal and make it operable from your side one-time only. He literally was the God of that world. If a touch can create Clu then why can't it kill him that easily too? That last scene showed too much power, which left some questionable plot holes in the backstory.
4) Why can't Sam do that? He's a user, clearly as good as his father at programming.
5) And is Flynn dead? He gave Cora his Identity Disc. Sam downloads it at the end. Cutting away when he asks her to do it may have been to hide that he knew he may have to sacrifice himself to stop Clu.
6) And that opens a new sequel door wide. A new Grid may be all that is necessary to bring Flynn back, and if Tron is alive off-grid that opens up some decent plot possibilities.
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To discuss those points in the spoiler section...
In my mind, the further I've gotten away from the film, the more I've come to like it. Sure, the acting was a bit flat, and the story was as well. But, given the original Tron, it isn't as like it had to be a masterpiece out of the gate. Ultimately we ended up with a film that was stylistically very impressive, with a killer soundtrack, that I think offered an interesting look at our religious woes in an interesting way. I feel like it is a film that either went over everyone's head, or was completely underwhelming, and those who it hit directly appear to be few and far between.
Compared to Cameron's Avatar, which rolled on the same kind of visual overload burdened with a so-so story, I feel like I prefer Tron: Legacy by days end. Avatar had a stronger emotional pull with the environmental side of the film, but the religious overtones of Tron has kept me thinking for the past few days. Either way, both films are monumental achievements on the technical level, and I look forward to future iterations as they come down the pipe.
1. I don't think that the Grid was destroyed, but if I remember right, he turns off the system... I think? I have no idea what that does to everything inside the computer. We know that Tron is not dead, so my guess is that he spends the next few cycles "fighting for the users" and cleaning up the Grid with Flynn and CLU gone.
2. I don't think Tron is dead. That's just me.
3. I started to question Flynn's power toward the end of the movie. After he stopped the elevator and was able to revive Quora, I was like "WTF, brah?" My assumption is that, somehow, CLU controlling the Grid at least partially locked out some of Flynn's abilities. It's only a guess. It sounds as though the entire system was designed around that single entry/exit point, which my guess is some kind of safety feature. I'm under the assumption they didn't expect to have people think too much about it, ha ha.
4. It sounds like Sam doesn't have the same abilities of his father, but it was a part of his plan to get off the Grid and do a new kind of portal to get his Dad out.
5. Assuming that Flynn can be revived in the same way that Quora was, my guess is that no, he is not dead. Assuming that Sam is going to create a new version of the Grid himself, his father will be back pretty soon in the sequel.
6. There will be a sequel. Between the money made this weekend, plus all the merch, and hell just the damn soundtrack alone, Disney is going to ride this puppy as long as they can. My assumptions for the next Tron...
a) Sam takes control of the company, sets up a new Grid (or transfers?) on the Encom servers once again
b) Sam goes in with Quora to revive his father, maybe to find more ISOs in hiding...
c) Tron is back, and he's been busy cleaning up the Grid in Flynn's absence
d) Seeing as how Dillenger's kid is on the board and Encom, and would likely have access of some kind to the system and thereby to the Grid, I would expect two things to happen. First, that he is going to discover the Grid and attempt to make it his own. Secondly, that it is going to create a new MCP. It seems like the most-logical villain in this situation. Light cycle battles, perhaps more Jai Alai (hooray!), and some light-disc nonsense ensues.
2. I don't think Tron is dead. That's just me.
3. I started to question Flynn's power toward the end of the movie. After he stopped the elevator and was able to revive Quora, I was like "WTF, brah?" My assumption is that, somehow, CLU controlling the Grid at least partially locked out some of Flynn's abilities. It's only a guess. It sounds as though the entire system was designed around that single entry/exit point, which my guess is some kind of safety feature. I'm under the assumption they didn't expect to have people think too much about it, ha ha.
4. It sounds like Sam doesn't have the same abilities of his father, but it was a part of his plan to get off the Grid and do a new kind of portal to get his Dad out.
5. Assuming that Flynn can be revived in the same way that Quora was, my guess is that no, he is not dead. Assuming that Sam is going to create a new version of the Grid himself, his father will be back pretty soon in the sequel.
6. There will be a sequel. Between the money made this weekend, plus all the merch, and hell just the damn soundtrack alone, Disney is going to ride this puppy as long as they can. My assumptions for the next Tron...
a) Sam takes control of the company, sets up a new Grid (or transfers?) on the Encom servers once again
b) Sam goes in with Quora to revive his father, maybe to find more ISOs in hiding...
c) Tron is back, and he's been busy cleaning up the Grid in Flynn's absence
d) Seeing as how Dillenger's kid is on the board and Encom, and would likely have access of some kind to the system and thereby to the Grid, I would expect two things to happen. First, that he is going to discover the Grid and attempt to make it his own. Secondly, that it is going to create a new MCP. It seems like the most-logical villain in this situation. Light cycle battles, perhaps more Jai Alai (hooray!), and some light-disc nonsense ensues.
In my mind, the further I've gotten away from the film, the more I've come to like it. Sure, the acting was a bit flat, and the story was as well. But, given the original Tron, it isn't as like it had to be a masterpiece out of the gate. Ultimately we ended up with a film that was stylistically very impressive, with a killer soundtrack, that I think offered an interesting look at our religious woes in an interesting way. I feel like it is a film that either went over everyone's head, or was completely underwhelming, and those who it hit directly appear to be few and far between.
Compared to Cameron's Avatar, which rolled on the same kind of visual overload burdened with a so-so story, I feel like I prefer Tron: Legacy by days end. Avatar had a stronger emotional pull with the environmental side of the film, but the religious overtones of Tron has kept me thinking for the past few days. Either way, both films are monumental achievements on the technical level, and I look forward to future iterations as they come down the pipe.
I did too
I also saw it on an IMAX screen which was my second IMAX film (Inception) and therefore my first IMAX 3D, I was blown away again by this format and it's the first time I've enjoyed a recent 3D film.
On your point 6 I agree with YSSMAN's reply and I'm sure it'll shape up to be all kinds of awesome even if it has as many plot holes. I like to refer to plot holes in films I like as "popcorn logic", just accept it and enjoy
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Saw this last night with two mates. I liked it, a fair bit of action in it as well as being stupidly futuristic Even though I've never seen the original Tron, I have a pretty good idea of what happens in it just from watching Legacy - which in my mind is a sign of a well-made movie.
Also, Olivia Wilde.
Even though I've never seen the original Tron, I have a pretty good idea of what happens in it just from watching Legacy - which in my mind is a sign of a well-made movie.Also, Olivia Wilde.
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YSSMAN,
And I also enjoyed it more than Avatar. I felt like Avatar was trying too hard to be and say something special while focusing too much time on being impressive in 3D. Cameron's reaction to no reviews catching on to the significance of Sigourney Weaver's character kind of confirms it for me. He spent millions making it fancy and then later whined that no one caught some of his cultural commentary.
I think Tron Legacy took a familiar morality tale that often comes from our fears of technology, all the way back as far as Frankenstein, and to be honest it is a natural direction to take after Tron, as that same scenario was a background plot point then between the MCP and Dillinger.
And for anyone that hasn't seen the original, give it a rent. It will feel dated, it will feel slow at times, and definitely feel like the 80's, but it was a huge risk for Disney then as the first film to imagine a world completely created by CGI. No one else wanted to even try it. Without Tron we would likely have waited ten more years for things like Jurassic Park, The Matrix, and half of what we see on screen today. And Avatar would still be ten years away.
Tron opened a door that often feels like Pandora's Box, but Tron Legacy shows me that today's technology is maybe five or ten years from clearing the Uncanny Valley. We would be at the Jar Jar Binks pit of fear level right now had Disney not taken the risk on the original Tron back then.
Now, I wait for the inevitable Collector's Edition Blu-Ray set with both films and a Light Cycle model for $100, while I just wish they would release a two-disc Blu-Ray set with just both films for $40-$50 ($35 on sale).
I think The Grid may have been destroyed based on when Flynn stopped Clu everything exploded into bits and disappeared. All that was left was water and rocks, which were "off The Grid." How you get off The Grid in a closed system is beyond me. I purposely ignored that one and assumed it was unused system space (resources) for future expansion.
Turning off the system might do the job as well.
Turning off the system might do the job as well.
And I also enjoyed it more than Avatar. I felt like Avatar was trying too hard to be and say something special while focusing too much time on being impressive in 3D. Cameron's reaction to no reviews catching on to the significance of Sigourney Weaver's character kind of confirms it for me. He spent millions making it fancy and then later whined that no one caught some of his cultural commentary.
I think Tron Legacy took a familiar morality tale that often comes from our fears of technology, all the way back as far as Frankenstein, and to be honest it is a natural direction to take after Tron, as that same scenario was a background plot point then between the MCP and Dillinger.
And for anyone that hasn't seen the original, give it a rent. It will feel dated, it will feel slow at times, and definitely feel like the 80's, but it was a huge risk for Disney then as the first film to imagine a world completely created by CGI. No one else wanted to even try it. Without Tron we would likely have waited ten more years for things like Jurassic Park, The Matrix, and half of what we see on screen today. And Avatar would still be ten years away.
Tron opened a door that often feels like Pandora's Box, but Tron Legacy shows me that today's technology is maybe five or ten years from clearing the Uncanny Valley. We would be at the Jar Jar Binks pit of fear level right now had Disney not taken the risk on the original Tron back then.
Now, I wait for the inevitable Collector's Edition Blu-Ray set with both films and a Light Cycle model for $100, while I just wish they would release a two-disc Blu-Ray set with just both films for $40-$50 ($35 on sale).
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I realize it's been said, but it bears repeating... some of TRON's special effects still hold up well today, and really were a marvelous step forward in terms of film-making.
Big conundrum. Going out for Christmas and I won't be able to watch it... so... watch it tomorrow and check into the hotel a few hours late, or wait till after Christmas, when all the theaters will be showing cultural films?
Big conundrum. Going out for Christmas and I won't be able to watch it... so... watch it tomorrow and check into the hotel a few hours late, or wait till after Christmas, when all the theaters will be showing cultural films?
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I enjoyed the film. Certainly a reality/fantasy space that i wouldn't want to visit though, it's grim and gritty but with neon.
Could have been a silent movie, words/dialogue add no meaning to the film.
Cinema played the volume levels way too loud, probably a common mistake in many places for "action" films. Feeling pain in the ears ruins the sense of self absorption to the narrative.
I agree with one critics observation that the new film contains too much "analogue" imagery/effects, in particular the Lightcyles. In the 80's they did instant right angles like you get in a simple digital computer game, but in this film they can do gentle sweeping curves, just like real bikes. Which is more futuristic? Bikes that can defy physics that can do right angle turns instantly or just regular bikes that actually require time and distance to make a turn. Makes you wonder what advancement is and for what purpose.
Could have been a silent movie, words/dialogue add no meaning to the film.
Cinema played the volume levels way too loud, probably a common mistake in many places for "action" films. Feeling pain in the ears ruins the sense of self absorption to the narrative.
I agree with one critics observation that the new film contains too much "analogue" imagery/effects, in particular the Lightcyles. In the 80's they did instant right angles like you get in a simple digital computer game, but in this film they can do gentle sweeping curves, just like real bikes. Which is more futuristic? Bikes that can defy physics that can do right angle turns instantly or just regular bikes that actually require time and distance to make a turn. Makes you wonder what advancement is and for what purpose.
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Only being able to do 90 degree turns was a limitation of the older generation light cycles though, as it forced them to only run on The Grid lines. The new bikes are much more versatile, and can still clearly defy physics. In the 80's the light cycle strategy was get in the lead and turn in front of the other guy, hoping his reflexes aren't faster than yours. Your only other options were plans for working with teammates.
These bikes offer much more opportunity for different techniques, and hand-to-hand battling while biking.
These bikes offer much more opportunity for different techniques, and hand-to-hand battling while biking.
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It was mostly repeated lines from the first film and cheeky references to it and other '80s films, and so on. There were some I hadn't really realized until after I saw the write-up at io9, but I caught most of them.
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I just watched Tron for the second time today. This time at IMAX. I must say it is one of the most enjoyable movies I have ever seen. Sure the story is weak but visuals and sound are so brilliant! Daft Punk has done an abosolute brilliant job on the soundtrack. I'm yet to see it at my favourite cinema (which to me has the best projector/speakers and ideal screen size) so I may go see it again there otherwise I can't wait to get this on blu ray.
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I have to say I was a touch underwhelmed by the dialog at times, but all around enjoyed it.
And oh my, so many nods to the original film that I caught.
Also, I think they modeled Olivia Wilde's character after "Boxxy" a bit, with some of the giggle mannerisms and kind of ADD nature.
And oh my, so many nods to the original film that I caught.
Also, I think they modeled Olivia Wilde's character after "Boxxy" a bit, with some of the giggle mannerisms and kind of ADD nature.
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I saw Tron Legacy on Tuesday immediately after seeing the original Tron for the first time, and I have to say I loved it. The nods to the original, the soundtrack and especially the CGI made the film for me. I loved the CGI so much that I didn't even notice any plot slowdown, nor did I care. Is that a bad thing? No, because the original was almost entirely CGI with a basic evil control program plot, so that's all I wanted with the new one and I got it in spades. And for the record, I saw it in 2D.
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Decided to watch the original today and smiled at the easter eggs they decided to put in the new one as I passed them 
I always thought she was a bit like Leeloo but with a more modern take on that type of character.
I actually kind of thought this film was going to be the next 'Fifth Element' from what I saw in the trailers (avante-garde-sci-fi type of film with really cool costumes, ideas, etc.) so decided to take the bait and watch it despite how cheesy some of them looked. Well worth falling for the advertising guys!!!
I always thought she was a bit like Leeloo but with a more modern take on that type of character.
I actually kind of thought this film was going to be the next 'Fifth Element' from what I saw in the trailers (avante-garde-sci-fi type of film with really cool costumes, ideas, etc.) so decided to take the bait and watch it despite how cheesy some of them looked. Well worth falling for the advertising guys!!!
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Bought the blu-ray and watched it last night. Loved it. And I think we'll have a sequel some day. TRON lives! (not sure about Flynn though) ... and so does Dillinger's son. Niiice!
PS - Btw, some cool bonus features, including a short clip called "Flynn lives".
PS - Btw, some cool bonus features, including a short clip called "Flynn lives".
