True Force Tuning Resurrected [2015]F1 2010-2016 

Sao Paulo [Dry]

UPDATE: This tune has been updated to include all chassis. The original values are noted in parentheses.

Aerodynamics

Front Wing Angle - 5 (4)
Rear Wing Angle - 5 (4)

Braking

Balance - 49/51
Pressure - Medium
Brake Size - Small

Balance

Ballast Distribution - 40/60
Front Anti-Roll Bar - 5
Rear Anti-Roll Bar - 7 (6)

Suspension

Front Ride Height - 4 (3)
Rear Ride Height - 4 (3)
Front Spring Stiffness - 2 (4)
Rear Spring Stiffness - 3

Gearbox

Gear 1 - 88 mph (89)
Gear 2 - 110 mph (111)
Gear 3 - 131 mph (132)
Gear 4 - 155 mph (157)
Gear 5 - 174 mph (176)
Gear 6 - 192 mph (194)
Gear 7 - 218 mph (220)

Alignment

Camber Front - -1.10
Camber Rear - -3.00
Toe Front - 0.15
Toe Rear - 0.50

True Force Tuning - Driver Discretion Advised.
 
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Fell across this interesting tuning dynamic yesterday after perusing the CM forums. Conclusion, it IS possible to almost completely eliminate throttle on oversteer even around the nasty corners like Shanghi turns 6 and 14.

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1st off the data: std gamepad, TC - med, ABS - on, gears - auto, break assit - off, ref track - Shanghi and mode - TT.

So, especially for my driving style, driving with a controller I'm always on the lookout for ways to minimize TO oversteer in slow speed corners. As most of us know by now given the way the triggers and game physics are programmed it is very difficult to prevent spinning the rear tires on tight corners w/o using traction control. However to use TC is essentially to reduce the peak acceleration potential of the vehicle. So each pad user has to decide on the costs benefits for themselves. The only other things you can touch are "break pressure", "break diameter" and "throttle map."

Now this is likely not realistic, but I feel across a way to nearly eliminate TO oversteer even if mashing the throttle mid corner (at least at Shanghi ;)). The basic method is to start with the "quick setup" most conservative "wet" setup (the leftmost option). Then simply go to the custom setup screen and set the wings to taste (2F/1R in my case). Also with bumping up 7th gear to 227 mph you should easily hit 224 or so on the back straight. Using a fast throttle map, with this setup 1:34's are pretty routine for me and 1:33's are well within reach.

TBH curbs still pose an issue, but thanks to the 9 ride height not nearly as deadly as before.

Now this might seem obvious to some, "duh using the softest/most understeery setup and elevated ride height has to make the car more stable on turning." Buttt... here's more interesting info, by simply dropping the height a few clicks (to 6 let's say) and upping the suspension a couple of notches (4) greatly reduces out the non-oversteer characteristic. Also dropping the ride height does not benefit straight line speed as near as I can tell.

So to finish this off, as a pad driver if using an unrealistically soft and goofy suspension setup allows me to accelerate more aggressively, is less punishing for little steering mistakes (almost a given for a pad IMHO) and still allows for solid lap times (assuming a 1:33 is solid at Shanghi) then I am all for it. Also I'm guessing there might be more out there like me so I wanted to share.

T12 - did I highjack again? :lol: If so, no disrespect intended as you know :cheers: and I might consider making a dedicated "soft suspension pansy pad drivers setups" thread. Or some such ;).
 
Yeah. you did.

I'm gonna put a hit out on you soon. :lol:

Joking aside, if it helps the pad users, then, keep on posting.
 
Terronium-12
Yeah. you did.

I'm gonna put a hit out on you soon. :lol:

Joking aside, if it helps the pad users, then, keep on posting.
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:nervous: I take it you don't mean the 420 kind :P.

For grins went back to Sakhir TT to see how this new setup... err... "technique" compared to yours that I used to set my PB. Using the RB6 the only changes I made to the far left quick setup were as follows: wing - 4F/3R, br press - high, br dia - std, rear camber - (-2.90) & tm - fast. I also tried to turn the tranny into a 6 spd by using the following settings (in mph): 1(70), 2(96), 3(115), 4(135), 5(154), 6(174) & 7(198).

Truth be told, I could not quite keep up with my prior PB set at 1:51.4+ however my fastest with this odd setup was only 4-tenths off. So pretty close if you ask me given the huuuuge disparity in suspension & alignment settings. The set of corners that really made the difference were the first 3 of the new section. So the med slow left hand'r followed by the tight double apex rights. Stands to reason I think. However on the surprising result front, this 9 ride height setup was just as fast in a straight line. :odd:

Conclusion; well this verifies my Shanghi experience in that I could get a reasonably fast setup while very nearly dialing out the TO oversteer and having much less concern about taking too much curb.

So there you have it, think I may have stumbled upon "F1 2010 setups for pad dummies" :lol:.
 
Hey Terronium!

I was hoping you could get me a good tune for HRT in Catalunya? I'm on career mode, and I'm pulling some pretty awful lap times (even for "professional" AI difficulty). I've tried your other HRT tunes, and they were great. I just need to see if it's a tune issue, or my driving style for this track. Thanks! 👍 👍
 
Pakt Sardine
Hey Terronium!

I was hoping you could get me a good tune for HRT in Catalunya? I'm on career mode, and I'm pulling some pretty awful lap times (even for "professional" AI difficulty). I've tried your other HRT tunes, and they were great. I just need to see if it's a tune issue, or my driving style for this track. Thanks! 👍 👍
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Consider it done.
 
Ah, you're a pal! I've made like a -2sec progress with my own tunes, but I feel my times are still not good enough. It'll be good to get some insight from you.
 
icelt
Fell across this interesting tuning dynamic yesterday after perusing the CM forums. Conclusion, it IS possible to almost completely eliminate throttle on oversteer even around the nasty corners like Shanghi turns 6 and 14.

04chinaencmyk300dpi.jpg


1st off the data: std gamepad, TC - med, ABS - on, gears - auto, break assit - off, ref track - Shanghi and mode - TT.

So, especially for my driving style, driving with a controller I'm always on the lookout for ways to minimize TO oversteer in slow speed corners. As most of us know by now given the way the triggers and game physics are programmed it is very difficult to prevent spinning the rear tires on tight corners w/o using traction control. However to use TC is essentially to reduce the peak acceleration potential of the vehicle. So each pad user has to decide on the costs benefits for themselves. The only other things you can touch are "break pressure", "break diameter" and "throttle map."

Now this is likely not realistic, but I feel across a way to nearly eliminate TO oversteer even if mashing the throttle mid corner (at least at Shanghi ;)). The basic method is to start with the "quick setup" most conservative "wet" setup (the leftmost option). Then simply go to the custom setup screen and set the wings to taste (2F/1R in my case). Also with bumping up 7th gear to 227 mph you should easily hit 224 or so on the back straight. Using a fast throttle map, with this setup 1:34's are pretty routine for me and 1:33's are well within reach.

TBH curbs still pose an issue, but thanks to the 9 ride height not nearly as deadly as before.

Now this might seem obvious to some, "duh using the softest/most understeery setup and elevated ride height has to make the car more stable on turning." Buttt... here's more interesting info, by simply dropping the height a few clicks (to 6 let's say) and upping the suspension a couple of notches (4) greatly reduces out the non-oversteer characteristic. Also dropping the ride height does not benefit straight line speed as near as I can tell.

So to finish this off, as a pad driver if using an unrealistically soft and goofy suspension setup allows me to accelerate more aggressively, is less punishing for little steering mistakes (almost a given for a pad IMHO) and still allows for solid lap times (assuming a 1:33 is solid at Shanghi) then I am all for it. Also I'm guessing there might be more out there like me so I wanted to share.

T12 - did I highjack again? :lol: If so, no disrespect intended as you know :cheers: and I might consider making a dedicated "soft suspension pansy pad drivers setups" thread. Or some such ;).
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Have you tried using the analog sticks for both braking & steering? With that setup you are neither getting anywhere near the times possible, nor learning.

Not to mention that even with TC off in the menu's Codemasters have still left some in there, it's actually pretty damn obvious.
Say, on a third gear exit of a tight corner, mash the throttle, you'll still get wheelspin, but the ever-present TC is still there, damping the effects.

I really think you must either be a pretty bad driver, or more likely one who is not looking to get any better. But that's just my opinion.
If you are using the default R2+L2 configuration for the application of power, I suggest changing.

I also find it's easier to use manual on R1 & L1 if i'm using both sticks!
Remember, if you have the ability to stick to a higher gear around a hairpin, say Second, or even Third, it will be harder to apply enough power through lack of control, to LOSE control!

Oh, and the 'snap' in the physics around tight corners? It happens because you're doing it wrong!

WHY DID YOU TURN? :lol:
 
That's two people with preemptive mob hits floating over their heads now. :lol:

One more person does it, and well, someone is going to get "whacked".
 
Terronium-12
That's two people with preemptive mob hits floating over their heads now. :lol:

One more person does it, and well, someone is going to get "whacked".
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I've already enrolled myself in a "thread highjack'r relocation program," so I should be safe.... ish ;).
 
Circuit de Catalunya [Dry]

NOTE: This tune includes all chassis.

Aerodynamics

Front Wing Angle - 6
Rear Wing Angle - 6

Braking

Balance - 52/48
Pressure - Low
Brake Size - Small

Balance

Ballast Distribution - 60/40
Front Anti-Roll Bar - 3
Rear Anti-Roll Bar - 4

Suspension

Front Ride Height - 3
Rear Ride Height - 3
Front Spring Stiffness - 2
Rear Spring Stiffness - 3

Gearbox

Gear 1 - 81 mph
Gear 2 - 100 mph
Gear 3 - 120 mph
Gear 4 - 139 mph
Gear 5 - 158 mph
Gear 6 - 178 mph
Gear 7 - 200 mph

Engine

Throttle Map: Fast (If Applicable)

Alignment

Camber Front - -1.10
Camber Rear - -3.00
Toe Front - 0.12
Toe Rear - 0.38

True Force Tuning - Driver Discretion Advised.
 
Terronium-12
Feedback, dude. I need feedback. :lol:
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It's good. I shortened gears 1-3 a little, and I was able to shave about a second off, but I'm still not getting what I want. Rest assured, your tune is perfect. My driving style is awful for Catalunya. I was watching some YouTube videos of people's laps, and I have determined that I'm sketchy on some corners, particularly the two long bends. I find myself lifting off and micromanaging when I shouldn't be. I'll just keep practicing until I get it cut down. It's strange too, because I've never had trouble with Catalunlya in other games, and I'm really fast on the other tracks in F1 2010. Hm, who knows. Anyways, your tune is perfect in my opinion. One can fiddle with the gearbox, but the rest is kosher. Thanks again, T12! 👍 👍
 
Thanks for your Monza tune T-12, I adapted it a touch (a little more front wing for sharper turn-in) and have taken 2 seconds off my best time there already. With a better line into the 1st chicane and Ascari I reckon there's another second at least.
 
Monaco [Dry, Controller Use]

Aerodynamics

Front Wing Angle - 7
Rear Wing Angle - 7

Braking

Balance - 50/50
Pressure - High
Brake Size - Standard

Balance

Ballast Distribution - 50/50
Front Anti-Roll Bar - 6
Rear Anti-Roll Bar - 6

Suspension

Front Ride Height - 5
Rear Ride Height - 5
Front Spring Stiffness - 8
Rear Spring Stiffness - 7

Gearbox

Gear 1 - 75 mph
Gear 2 - 92 mph
Gear 3 - 109 mph
Gear 4 - 126 mph
Gear 5 - 146 mph
Gear 6 - 166 mph
Gear 7 - 189 mph

Alignment

Camber Front - -1.20
Camber Rear - -3.20
Toe Front - 0.12
Toe Rear - 0.41

True Force Tuning - Driver Discretion Advised.
 
I haven't been keeping this up to date lately, but things should get back into motion now.
 
Been reviewing a season's worth of controller-use tunes over the past few days...actually, since my last post here.

Expect all of those tunes throughout the day.
 
Fell off that wagon, didn't we?

Had a bit of a problem with my DFGT earlier, the mainboard snapped in two and now I can't use any button mounted on the wheel itself. All I have left are the pedals, and the sequential shifter. Oh, happy day. :grumpy:

Anyone know if a retailer (trustworthy) sells replacement parts for the DFGT?

...In any case, the blowout that should have happened, will happen later on today.
 
Terronium-12
Fell off that wagon, didn't we?

Had a bit of a problem with my DFGT earlier, the mainboard snapped in two and now I can't use any button mounted on the wheel itself. All I have left are the pedals, and the sequential shifter. Oh, happy day. :grumpy:

Anyone know if a retailer (trustworthy) sells replacement parts for the DFGT?

...In any case, the blowout that should have happened, will happen later on today.
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Sorry to hear about your wheel . l thought they were supposed to be quite solid. :(
Maybe those incoming controller setups will come in handy , if it takes time to get you're wheel fixed.
 
NITROVIOUS
Sorry to hear about your wheel . l thought they were supposed to be quite solid. :(
Maybe those incoming controller setups will come in handy , if it takes time to get you're wheel fixed.
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It is quite sturdy, but when you're pounding on the face of the wheel and the horn button rests inside of the housing...yeah, that's what broke it. Just wasn't having a good day before that happened.
 
Bahrain [Dry, Controller Use]

Aerodynamics

Front Wing Angle - 1
Rear Wing Angle - 1

Braking

Balance - 50/50
Pressure - High
Brake Size - Standard

Balance

Ballast Distribution - 50/50
Front Anti-Roll Bar - 11
Rear Anti-Roll Bar - 11

Suspension

Front Ride Height - 1
Rear Ride Height - 1
Front Spring Stiffness - 11
Rear Spring Stiffness - 10

Gearbox

Gear 1 - 77 mph
Gear 2 - 97 mph
Gear 3 - 116 mph
Gear 4 - 136 mph
Gear 5 - 154 mph
Gear 6 - 172 mph
Gear 7 - 198 mph

Engine

Throttle Map - Fast

Alignment

Camber Front - -1.50
Camber Rear - -3.50
Toe Front - 0.15
Toe Rear - 0.50

True Force Tuning - Driver Discretion Advised.
 
Melbourne [Dry, Controller Use]

Aerodynamics

Front Wing Angle - 2
Rear Wing Angle - 2

Braking

Balance - 50/50
Pressure - High
Brake Size - Standard

Balance

Ballast Distribution - 50/50
Front Anti-Roll Bar - 8
Rear Anti-Roll Bar - 7

Suspension

Front Ride Height - 1
Rear Ride Height - 1
Front Spring Stiffness - 10
Rear Spring Stiffness - 11

Gearbox

Gear 1 - 83 mph
Gear 2 - 103 mph
Gear 3 - 123 mph
Gear 4 - 143 mph
Gear 5 - 164 mph
Gear 6 - 185 mph
Gear 7 - 208 mph

Engine

Throttle Map - Fast (Alternatively, use Standard)

Alignment

Camber Front - -1.00
Camber Rear - -3.00
Toe Front - 0.10
Toe Rear - 0.35

True Force Tuning - Driver Discretion Advised.
 
Sepang [Dry, Controller use]

Aerodynamics

Front Wing Angle - 1
Rear Wing Angle - 1

Braking

Balance - 50/50
Pressure - High
Brake Size - Small

Balance

Ballast Distribution - 50/50
Front Anti-Roll Bar - 10
Rear Anti-Roll Bar - 10

Suspension

Front Ride Height - 1
Rear Ride Height - 1
Front Spring Stiffness - 10
Rear Spring Stiffness - 9

Gearbox

Gear 1 - 90 mph
Gear 2 - 112 mph
Gear 3 - 134 mph
Gear 4 - 157 mph
Gear 5 - 181 mph
Gear 6 - 202 mph
Gear 7 - 225 mph

Engine

Throttle Map - Fast

Alignment

Camber Front - -1.00
Camber Rear - -3.00
Toe Front - 0.10
Toe Rear - 0.35

True Force Tuning - Driver Discretion Advised.
 
Shanghai [Dry, Controller Use]

Aerodynamics

Front Wing Angle - 1
Rear Wing Angle - 1

Braking

Balance - 50/50
Pressure - High
Brake Size - Standard

Balance

Ballast Distribution - 50/50
Front Anti-Roll Bar - 7
Rear Anti-Roll Bar - 6

Suspension

Front Ride Height - 2
Rear Ride Height - 2
Front Spring Stiffness - 7
Rear Spring Stiffness - 6

Gearbox

Gear 1 - 88 mph
Gear 2 - 110 mph
Gear 3 - 132 mph
Gear 4 - 157 mph
Gear 5 - 177 mph
Gear 6 - 198 mph
Gear 7 - 227 mph

Engine

Throttle Map - Fast

Alignment

Camber Front - -1.00
Camber Rear - -3.00
Toe Front - 0.10
Toe Rear - 0.35

True Force Tuning - Driver Discretion Advised.
 
T12 I have noticed the controller setups run seriously stiff ARB's and springrates. Any reason for that? I always understood you could calm down springrates for a bit more grip and compliance.
 
Zeeco_9
T12 I have noticed the controller setups run seriously stiff ARB's and springrates. Any reason for that? I always understood you could calm down springrates for a bit more grip and compliance.
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I'm not the proprietor of the controller setups, Chef (Nitrovious) is. Discuss that with him. 👍


 
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