Tunisia Beach Attack

[niky]

Wrong again, as usual.

Following the Second World War, there were a few attempts at getting democracy to take hold in the Middle East, most notably in Iran. However, the newly-elected Prime Minister wanted to renegotiate the deal between Iran and the Anglo-Iranian Oil Corporation - now BP - to get a better deal for Iran. When AIOC refused, the Iranians attempted to nationalise the oil industry. Since this went against Western interests, cutting off a major supply of oil, the British and American governments orchestrated a coup in 1953, removing the democratically-elected government and replacing it with the Shah, who was much more willing to allow the AIOC to return under the same terms as they had originally operated under, and much more authoritarian. Meanwhile, Britain and America continued to promote democracy as the highest form of political thought. This was interpreted as "democracy is good, but only if it's on our terms", with the West happily betraying that if it was in their interests to do so.

So it wasn't a case of left-aligned governments chasing that warm and fuzzy feeling at all. Rather, it was right-aligned governments holding Middle Eastern nations to a different standard to that which they held themselves.

I'd suggest everyone study this and the history of Western intervention in developing regions and third-world countries.

It's not the "Give Peace a Chance" crowd that's created the current mess we're in. It's the corporate interest protections and Cold-war policies that have given power to the radical elements.

I don't have a link right now, but there's an excellent video online on how ISIS is recruiting the young and disenfranchised from the middle class both in the Middle East and Europe by presenting themselves as a better alternative to the current corrupt regimes (many of which are supported by the West), with very concrete goals and ideals.

This is very similar to the radicalization of the young in the 70's, when Communism promised a similar solution in many countries.

This all ties back to the way western elements have protected their interests by supporting dictators and fascists over the decades. It's easier to work out a mutually beneficial business deal with a dictator than a democratic government, which may or may not do what you want them to do. There's a good reason for the term "Banana Republic."

Over the last few decades, it has blown up in their faces... Iraq... Al Quaeda... ISIS... all linked to CIA interventionism in the Middle East in the past. And the rotten state of governance in the region simply provide more fuel to the fire.

There's no doubt ISIS is a threat now, and needs to be dealt with... but to paint it simply as a problem of religion is too pat. There are real and varied underlying social (and political) issues that need to be addressed in order to stamp out radicalism for good.

 

[KSaiyu]

An armed group in Tunisia which has claimed allegiance to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) tweeted a warning last month to British and western tourists not to go there for their summer holidays, writes our Middle East Editor Richard Spencer:

It said the warning was aimed at countries taking part in the coalition against Isil in Iraq and Syria.

“To the Christians planning their summer vacations in Tunisia, we cant accept u in our land while your jets keep killing our Muslim Brothers in Iraq & Sham (sic),” it said. Sham is the word usually translated as “the Levant”.

“But if u insist on coming then beware because we are planning for u something that will make you forget #Bardoattack.”

 

[Carbonox]

Ooo, txtspeak. These guys are looking smarter every minute.

 

[Ross]

Just seen that someone from my town was killed in the attacks!. Really shocking news. A nationwide minutes silence is supposed to held sometime on Friday in memory of the victims.

 

[PeterJB]

Yeah lost someone from Corsham as well.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

According to Daily Mail, the gunman was on drugs and had an unexploded bomb.

 

[KSaiyu]

Thoughts go out to those families and the others.

 

[KSaiyu]

You know, this is disgusting. 30 dead and 12 arrests and we as a nation have been cowed into silence. The most liked post in this thread is about a theory that CIA intervention led to the rise of ISIS. You may not like me, or think I'm a racist or whatever and we can go back to calling each other Islamophobes and traitors to the West in other threads after but I'd appreciate it if you liked this post whether you're Jew, Muslim, Christian, Atheist or whatever and from wherever in memory of the victims.

 

[ECGadget]

Ignore

 

[Saidur_Ali]

You know, this is disgusting. 30 dead and 12 arrests and we as a nation have been cowed into silence. The most liked post in this thread is about a theory that CIA intervention led to the rise of ISIS. You may not like me, or think I'm a racist or whatever and we can go back to calling each other Islamophobes and traitors to the West in other threads after but I'd appreciate it if you liked this post whether you're Jew, Muslim, Christian, Atheist or whatever and from wherever in memory of the victims.

The victims are not only British. There have also been many injured. My condolences are with all directly affected by this tragedy.

 

[TenEightyOne]

we as a nation have been cowed into silence

Where, I mean where do you get this rubbish from?

 

[Dotini]

Have there been any complaints or demands issuing from survivors, victims' families or their lawyers?

 

[JKgo]

Have there been any complaints or demands issuing from survivors, victims' families or their lawyers?

...I'd imagine those "complaints or demands" would be nigh impossible to meet satisfactorily. It's not like you can send a summons to IS...

 

[Dotini]

...I'd imagine those "complaints or demands" would be nigh impossible to meet satisfactorily. It's not like you can send a summons to IS...

So, no complaints or demands? Complete silence?

 

[JKgo]

So, no complaints or demands? Complete silence?

...Didn't mean it that way, but I'm sure there might be some kinda press release, a briefing, conference of some kind where the spokesman (or woman) issues statements.

Or maybe they just want to be left in peace to mourn the fallen. Whatever they choose to do, I'm sure they are giving it a lot of thought.

 

[KSaiyu]

The victims are not only British. There have also been many injured. My condolences are with all directly affected by this tragedy.

No, just like all the victims of 9/11 weren't American but we still respecte...oh what's the point.

 

[Dennisch]

oh what's the point.

It's really time for you to take a break.

 

[niky]

No, just like all the victims of 9/11 weren't American but we still respecte...oh what's the point.

When paying respect to the dead, best to keep things simple. No need to go about other things.

Liked, anyway.

 

[Ross]

Brilliantly observed minute of silence by thousands of people in Basingstoke town centre. I don't know if any other towns are doing it but in the council office there's a book of condolences as well.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The most liked post in this thread is about a theory that CIA intervention led to the rise of ISIS.

You don't think that there is any value in understanding the circumstances that led to the emergence of ISIL in the first place? We all want a future where ISIL is destroyed, but wouldn't a future where ISIL is destroyed and nothing is able to take its place something better to aspire to? And if so, how can we fulfil that future without understanding the past? Because if we don't, then all we get is a perpetual cycle where one set of extremists rise and are shot down, paving the way for a second set of extremists to emerge, only to be shot down in turn, prompting another set and another set and another. The only people who win there are the governments and politicians who use the politics of fear to stay in power, because so long as there is a threat, then it is easy for them to drum up support.

Understanding the cause, the origin, will only empower us in the future.

 

[Dotini]

Fury as US blocks plans to fight ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/588246/US-America-ISIS-bombing-Obama-Cameron-Syria-Iraq-Kurds

Cameron urged Britain to keep calm amid the threat of ISIS, after British holidaymakers were savagely gunned down by an ISIS gunman in Tunisia last week.

The Prime Minister also appealed to teachers to look out for pupils being groomed by Islamic extremists.

A Whitehall source likened radicalisation of young people to child exploitation and said that the guidance sent to teachers will tell them that it must be treated as a "safeguarding issue".

They said: "The extremists use the internet to recruit young people and schools should be teaching about the dangers of that."

 

[MatskiMonk]

You know, this is disgusting. 30 dead and 12 arrests and we as a nation have been cowed into silence. The most liked post in this thread is about a theory that CIA intervention led to the rise of ISIS. You may not like me, or think I'm a racist or whatever and we can go back to calling each other Islamophobes and traitors to the West in other threads after but I'd appreciate it if you liked this post whether you're Jew, Muslim, Christian, Atheist or whatever and from wherever in memory of the victims.

It's like a Britain First recruiting poster.... if you actually gave a crap you'd not have posted any of your ******** agenda in the same post as your pathetic attempt at getting people to Like something you posted.

 

[Dotini]

Newly announced US presidential candidate Lincoln Chaffee wants to negotiate with ISIS, saying so on a FOX TV interview today.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Newly announced US presidential candidate Lincoln Chaffee wants to negotiate with ISIS, saying so on a FOX TV interview today.

Was that a misquote? BBC radio said today he'd negotiate with Iran to help fight ISIS... or is that his own climb-down from his previous statement?

 

[Dotini]

Was that a misquote? BBC radio said today he'd negotiate with Iran to help fight ISIS... or is that his own climb-down from his previous statement?

I saw him say he'd negotiate with ISIS.

I didn't hear him say that he'd negotiate with Iran to fight ISIS, but I believe it consistent with the other things he says.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I saw him say he'd negotiate with ISIS.

I didn't hear him say that he'd negotiate with Iran to fight ISIS, but I believe it consistent with the other things he says.

I couldn't find a Beeb link but did find this...

 

[Dotini]

I think Chaffee would be a better choice than Hillary.

And Jim Webb has thrown his hat into the ring, too.

And Sanders seems to be doing well in the polls. So there may be a contest brewing.