tunner cars

[35mm]

thats not a pic from GT4, so whats the point of telling PD what some1 else did wrong?

Er, you got it all wrong...

Those rims in that pic - which I know that is from racer-xtreme - look far better than the ones in GT4. Maybe you'll disagree, but at least what I said should make sense to you now.
I'm assuming that the picture is in-game.

Anyway, let's not talk about rims anymore.

 

[Solid Fro]

Let's talk about cars with pieces of carbon fiber all over them with over sized, non-functional aircraft wings on the trunks. Yeah!

 

[Eagle]

I can't believe this topic is still going.

 

[godzilla_GTR]

i can.Why cant you? J/K

 

[JDM-AE86]

Let's talk about cars with pieces of carbon fiber all over them with over sized, non-functional aircraft wings on the trunks. Yeah!

its called downforce smart guy, why the hell do you think F1 cars have such big wings? Maybe when your car has over 500 horsepower you'll finally understand the concept, when your car can do a 54.739 second lap @ Tsukaba, you'll see where that carbon fiber comes into play...and its not pieces, the complete car shell is made of carbon fiber and oversized airplane wing...hmmm not sure what kinda ricers you've been around, but hey, whatever floats your boat

-and i wasn't talking about rims, im talkin about realism, PD is trying to make the car the exact replica of the real one, you'll probably be able to change the rims in game jsut like in GT3

 

[GTXLR]

Er, you got it all wrong...

Those rims in that pic - which I know that is from racer-xtreme - look far better than the ones in GT4. Maybe you'll disagree, but at least what I said should make sense to you now.

Well at least PD used the right rims as shown by JDM-AE86 links
Also where did the rear wing come from?

 

[Solid Fro]

Also where did the rear wing come from?

From a 747-400.

 

[35mm]

Well at least PD used the right rims as shown by JDM-AE86 links

Yes, I was also aware of all that.

 

[fish_bate]

Wow!! I love this kind of banter. People who know nothing about what they're trying to "discuss" just use smack talk and sarcasim! Now that I've labeled myself a complete hyporcrite... Anyway, some tuned cars really do require the aid of wings. Some notable examples are the Jun Supra Time Attack car, the Signal Auto Silvia GP-D drift car, and the HKS Altezza Time Attack car, just to name a few. But...are these really "tuner cars"? (more on that in the next paragraph) None of these cars where designed to run on the street, so that means that they are racing cars. Cars built for high speed competition, most of the time, largely benefit from downforce producing wings, spoilers, etc. Street cars do not. What about the first Audi TT recal situation? The rear "wing" is no more than 3" high. Very tasteful, very functional. Recently, big wings have been frowned appon in the world of automotive design, unless they are absolutely needed. Look at the Enzo, for example. The good people at Ferrari have used different methods, to keep the car planted at over 200mph, other than a rear wing. Oh, I'm sorry, just like the Audi TT the Enzo has a specially designed, very technical, tiny slab of CF attached to the top edge of the rear lid. Bits like that can hardely be called "wings". So if the car is made for the street there is no need for oversized, overbuilt, ugly wings hanging off of the trunk. That's my opinion on that subject.

Now, what should be considered a "tuner car"? Let's start by looking at some obvious ones. The Mine's factory cars. The Skylines, the Lancers, and the always overlooked Mine's Silvia. These cars are made for street use, but work wonders on a proper circuit. The primary purpose for building those cars is to showcase parts manfuctured by Mine's Wave. Another car that has been labeled a "tuner car", in this thread, is the HKS Time Attack Lancer Evo. This is not a "tuner car". Yes, it was built by a famous parts manufacturer. But it's primary purpose is not to showcase parts and services by HKS. It's purpose is to shatter track records held by other Japanese tuners. Showing off new go fast bits is only secondary. And the fact that HKS works very hard to even make the competition swet is irrelevant. This car is a racecar run by a race team, not a "tuner car". So, if you're going to talk about "tuner cars" at least use actual examples of "tuner cars".

 

[Dave A]

Well said.

 

[JDM-AE86]

*clap clap clap

 

[Famine]

What are you clapping for?

Let's talk about cars with pieces of carbon fiber all over them with over sized, non-functional aircraft wings on the trunks. Yeah!

its called downforce smart guy, why the hell do you think F1 cars have such big wings? Maybe when your car has over 500 horsepower you'll finally understand the concept, when your car can do a 54.739 second lap @ Tsukaba, you'll see where that carbon fiber comes into play...and its not pieces, the complete car shell is made of carbon fiber and oversized airplane wing...hmmm not sure what kinda ricers you've been around, but hey, whatever floats your boat

He wasn't talking about genuine tuned cars, with high-power engines and functioning aerodynamic parts - he specifically said "non-functional" (and let me know how aircraft wings produce downforce). In fact, he was talking about this kind of thing:

Let me know how that's functional, when the car it's attached to produces 60hp (I checked) for a kerbweight of over 1200kg. On an FF car.

 

[toler]

now that´s a nice poser astra

 

[Famine]

That was just posted up today. I can wheel out a few hundred more, should the need arise.

We call 'em Barries. Americans call them Ricers. Either way, they stick pointless, non-functioning bits on the outside of their cars, then drive around like they're Schumacher (err, given the collision rate, probably Ralf), Solberg, Senna, Toivanen and Fangio combined.

 

[JDM-AE86]

i was clapping b/c of fish_bates post and also, yes there are plenty of ricers in teh US, the problem is people enjoy them, auto shows are filled with these things, just wondering if its the same over there

 

[TrinityJayOne]

Reminds me of a guy who was in my old Uni course earlier this year. He was about 23 and drove a Honda Prelude, I'm guessing about a '91 model. It was pearlescent purple in color, lowered to the buggery, had huge rims, mild sideskirt & bumper mods, a decent sized rear spoiler and an exhaust so wide that you could stick your fist inside it. One day he had to stop for me as I crossed a pedestrian crossing in the car park, and I told him to punch it. He gave it plenty of kick and dropped the clutch, yet couldn't even get a squeal from the front tires. I laughed so hard I almost wet myself.

In contrast, his friend drove a metallic gunmetal grey 1999 Honda Civic. The only visible modifications where lowered suspension, some nice gold rims and a large exhaust, yet the car seemed to go a lot harder than his friend's "phooly sik" Prelude. He had no trouble making the tires squeal either.

 

[fish_bate]

Thanks for the props! Just my $0.02!

On the lingering question about if there are going to be more tuner cars in GT4...definetly yes. Yamauchi San said in an interview that adding more tuner cars was going to be one of his many top priorities. I'm not sure what mag it's from though. I've bought every magazine I've seen with anything about GT4 in it. I'm hoping for a Tommy Kaira Impreza or Legacy 2.5T!! That'd be sweeet. 👍

 

[Famine]

Reminds me of a guy who was in my old Uni course earlier this year. He was about 23 and drove a Honda Prelude, I'm guessing about a '91 model. It was pearlescent purple in color, lowered to the buggery, had huge rims, mild sideskirt & bumper mods, a decent sized rear spoiler and an exhaust so wide that you could stick your fist inside it. One day he had to stop for me as I crossed a pedestrian crossing in the car park, and I told him to punch it. He gave it plenty of kick and dropped the clutch, yet couldn't even get a squeal from the front tires. I laughed so hard I almost wet myself.

In contrast, his friend drove a metallic gunmetal grey 1999 Honda Civic. The only visible modifications where lowered suspension, some nice gold rims and a large exhaust, yet the car seemed to go a lot harder than his friend's "phooly sik" Prelude. He had no trouble making the tires squeal either.

So, the Civic had crap tyres which the engine could overcome too easily, or the Prelude was running very sticky, grippy tyres. I wonder which would be better in a corner? Plus a "large" exhaust (probably just the backbox) on a 4-cylinder engine isn't usually a good idea, never mind on a VTEC.

Many Preludes were automatics too.

Why would you want to squeal your tyres anyway? All that wasted energy and rubber...

 

[Eagle]

Why would you want to squeal your tyres anyway? All that wasted energy and rubber...

Amen.

Every day I drive past the local high school and see fresh rubber laid down from someone doing donuts the night before... It's almost saddening.

 

[BMW740i]

umm correct me if im wrong but aircraft wings produce lift, if u put a wing on the rear of the car that produced lift, with enough HP you would take off(and if it had a front 'wing' aswell) so they are upside down aircraft wings that produce DOWNFORCE hence the term- a force pushing down.

Dont get me wrong im not getting at you just simply correcting a mistake (i know i make em all the time )

Any way just a quick question, does any one know if any DTM cars are going to be in GT4? i just thought of this question as im typing this post so please dont flame me for not searching.

P.s
can a mod help me as i keep getting a error when i try to change my email address 👎

 

[Greyout]

Let me know how that's functional, when the car it's attached to produces 60hp (I checked) for a kerbweight of over 1200kg. On an FF car.[/color][/b]

That car obviously is in sad shape, but I would like to point out that FWD race cars need rear spoilers as much, if not more so, then RWD race cars.

A proper FWD setup uses the idea of whats called "mechanical oversteer, aerodynamic understeer". Because of the natural tendency for a FWD car to understeer, a FWD race car is setup so that it will produce a hefty amount of oversteer at low speeds (huge rear sway bar, 1500lb/in rear springs, rear toe-out, etc.). This allows the car to exibit oversteer in the tighter corners, ideally getting through the turn faster.

This setup makes the car very very unstable at high speed, easily causing the driver to spin off the track on moderate corners. Therefore the need arises to reduce oversteer as speed increases. At high speed, the rear wing allows a FWD race car to become more neutral.

Aerodynamic Downforce is only half the game. Playing with aerodynamic balance allows you to have the cars understeer/oversteer balance change as speed changes.

That being said, you are right that its very likely that that car A) does not have a track-oriented suspension setup, B) has ever/will ever see the track or C) does not produce enough power to achieve a foward velocity great enough to cause any downforce in the first place

 

[Dave A]

Dont get me wrong im not getting at you just simply correcting a mistake (i know i make em all the time )

Check the master car list thread at the top, theres 7 confirmed so far old and new.

 

[Eagle]

umm correct me if im wrong but aircraft wings produce lift, if u put a wing on the rear of the car that produced lift, with enough HP you would take off(and if it had a front 'wing' aswell) so they are upside down aircraft wings that produce DOWNFORCE hence the term- a force pushing down.

That's what Famine was alluding too, and what our mystery modifier was unclear on.