TVR Cerbera Speed 12

[mafia_boy]

Yeah, I ONLY use the left analog stick. The x button is like, it's either at no revs or at full revs

Which means you can't use a DS2 properly. LEARN TO USE THE X BUTTON!! It's better than any analog stick could be. Learn to roll on and roll off the button and develop some throttle control.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Yeah but you can be smooth with the analog stick even when pissed off about something, not so much with the X button

 

[mafia_boy]

Usually by that time RJ if I'm pissed off and I get annoyed with playing through mistakes, the controller has found a new home somewhere between through the wall and jumped on by me.

No I don't have an anger management problem

 

[Giygas]

Theres another way to eliminate the wheel spin, but it might make acceleration a bit weird...

The Speed 12 cannot wheel spin if the revs are slow and low. So use a maunal transmission and only have it set on 5th or 6th(4th if you have softer tires). Best used with 12's with superchargers for massive acceleration, and maybe even longer lasting tires.

 

[Aloha62_2]

I don't have GT4 to hand so I cant test it but how does the big trev respond to a rear set weight balance adjustment.

the capri a couple of bags of cement in the boot mod.

 

[Vuduegg]

I believe Slowman has the right idea with set up. Its probably the most difficult of all cars to handle in the game. I've been playing around with the Speed 12 for years, as I believe its such as awesome car, but a beast to handle...and if set up and driven right, can do amazing things. You really have to be gentle with it.

I did a 6.20 around the Ring and I reckon I can do 5-10secs better. I'll post a youtube vid when I do a time I'm happy with.

For the set up, I widened all the gear ratios out, and dropped the final drive as low as it can...2.500 I think, dropped the dampers to 2, stabilisers to 1, brake balance 6+7, and the ride height a few ticks below max. I found +1 toe out on the front wheels to be a good setting to handle the understeer, and camber set to 2F 1R. I'm not entirely happy with this set-up...after I just raised the ride height a few ticks I didn't adjust the dampers...I think they could go up to 3.

All driving aids off, the supercharger fitted (1136 horsepower), no NOS, racing soft tyres, and a rear wing, using a G25 wheel in first person view...

I get up to 394km/h in 6th gear on the final straight....its almost as much a buzz as driving the 88CV round la Sarthe...

In first and second gear, I'm generally feathering the accelerator and short-shifting around 30-40%, 70-80% in 3rd, and to the floor in 4th-6th. The amount of torque is enormous, and I find that you often have to back off the accelerator to get the tyres gripping again, but once they do and your going straight, you can really let it rip.

 

[Greycap]

6'02 after a lot of driving around Nürburgring, R3 alias Racing Medium tyres, and 1010 turbo horses.

 

[PAPPACLART]

Its rumoured that Peter Wheeler drove the car home one night and when he returned to Blackpool the next day said its was too much for the public road, however that is quite possibly that's a myth.

The reason behind it is that the true origin of the Speed 12 was not LeMans at all, but the British GT championship. Now the car should have been a production model to be entered, however no actual customer cars ever got delivered (some were rumoured but again nothing that can be proven), so the story about it being to much for the road and getting pulled from production at the last minute may well have been a way around the whole homologation issue for the British GT championship.

Evo magazine once did an excellent feature on the only remaining Speed 12 (built up from the one 'road car' and spares from the ex-race cars) that remains, its still in print in one of the Evo specials they do.

Like many things related to the Speed 12, its unlikely the whole truth will ever be know about it.


Regards

Scaff

I beleive that very car tested in Evo is owned privately and is a road car to this day. (and is the only one in existance)

It's shame the car was not a little more refined. Would have been awsome if it went into full production. That car (if it can put it's power down) certainly has enough oooomph to show a Veyron a thing or to!!

I am very sad that TVR is no longer. I would have been happy if a German manufacturer bought them, and sorted out the quality control issues rahter then loose them.

 

[Seismica]

It has so much torque i took it around trial mountain in 5th and it still accelerates out of a corner like a rocket, but without the wheelspin.

With a bit of throttle control this thing is one fast car driven normally (i.e. not in 5th for the whole track )

 

[GTveteran]

I saw the actual road car at an auction at Brands Hatch a couple of years ago. It was sold for a couple of hundred thousand pounds if I remember correctly. There's a pic below. Sorry for the low quality. It was only a VGA mobile phone camera.

As for the game car, I find it best to treat it like a Group C car when driving, ie, as most have said here be very gentle with the throttle. I use the X button and get on just fine. It does take a bit of mastery but its so rewarding when you manage to tame the beast.

 

[red70mach1]

I usually try driving it with 'economy tires,' which is obviousy a super-handful. I used only TCS.

 

[NURBURGRINGKING]

I can tell you how to set up the speed 12 to almost totally eliminate wheelscreech, give it perfect handling, and improve speed, but with the same power. To get it do as follows:

APPLY NO POWER UPGRADES WHATSOEVER, EXCEPT MAYBE NOS & OIL CHANGE.
Brake balance controller - set to 24 - 24
NOS - set to max (70 i think)
Racing suspension - set to,
Ride height - lowest.
Camber (whatever the one next down from ride height is) set to 2.
Toe angle set to 1.0 - 1.0
Stabilizer set to 7 - 7
Race transmission set to,
auto setting - 10
set gears 1,2,and 3 to 1/4 of bar from left.
race clutch, triple flywheel.
LSD (very important - eliminates wheelspin) don't adjust it at all.
Racing R5 tyres (super soft/qualifying)
Oil change
Rear spoiler - set downforce to max front & back.

Voila! now your blackpool beast should be amaingly good.
For example - i can do nurburgring in roughly 7 minutes with totally stock speed 12.
With these upgrades - 6:03.

(one final note - be sure to still brake early - it is still a tvr remember )

 

[Austin343]

I have to say that, while I'm no tuner, anyone with experience setting up cars would roll your eyes at your setup. Any car becomes magically better with Super Soft tires, which mask almost every deficiency in a car's setup by providing ludicrous levels of grip.

 

[panjandrum]

I run the Speed 12 on RSH tires and in almost completely stock tune + all drivers aids off. Then I use a very gentle throttle. Once you learn to control that throttle, it is one very fast and very good handling car. That's really the only trick to this car.

TVR did race at least one speed 12 for a while. I think Top Gear did something on it, or maybe Fifth Gear?

 

[NURBURGRINGKING]

All right then, i wont tell you any more setups. Hope your happy...because you just lost a very nice opportunity...and by the way - the stock speed 12 'ring time was with comfort tyres, manual box, and no TCS or ASM, in case you were wondering...

 

[steven]

I once did a setup for the C12 in the vault that some may like, at least over there it was well appreciated

 

[Lucas]

All right then, i wont tell you any more setups. Hope your happy...because you just lost a very nice opportunity...and by the way - the stock speed 12 'ring time was with comfort tyres, manual box, and no TCS or ASM, in case you were wondering...

Wow, that's useful! It only tells me the setup is complete 🤬 then.

 

[Open Addict]

...For example - i can do nurburgring in roughly 7 minutes with totally stock speed 12.
With these upgrades - 6:03.

I have to say that, while I'm no tuner, anyone with experience setting up cars would roll your eyes at your setup. Any car becomes magically better with Super Soft tires, which mask almost every deficiency in a car's setup by providing ludicrous levels of grip.

Wow, that's useful! It only tells me the setup is complete 🤬 then.

As Austin343 said, by putting on Super Soft Tyres, you can easily take one minute or so of a nurb time.

All right then, i wont tell you any more setups. Hope your happy...because you just lost a very nice opportunity...and by the way - the stock speed 12 'ring time was with comfort tyres, manual box, and no TCS or ASM, in case you were wondering...

Taken from here

Well, for me, auto is the one - i have never and will never use manual - too much effort...but the auto box doesnt seem to hinder me - i can do Nurburgring in 5:10 with no cheats. And i can do La Sarthe new in 2:43 roughly. But every man to his own choice

How can you have used a manual box for your stock run.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

All right then, i wont tell you any more setups. Hope your happy...because you just lost a very nice opportunity...and by the way - the stock speed 12 'ring time was with comfort tyres, manual box, and no TCS or ASM, in case you were wondering...

Funny, I've seen nothing that says your tunes are worth anything. At all. Other than 🤬 unproven claims.

 

[Austin343]

All right then, i wont tell you any more setups. Hope your happy...because you just lost a very nice opportunity...and by the way - the stock speed 12 'ring time was with comfort tyres, manual box, and no TCS or ASM, in case you were wondering...

Are you trying to make yourself look like a complete idiot? How on earth do you think a community as experienced as ours with the GT games will believe such a ludicrous claim? Comfort tires will never produce a Nurburgring time of seven minutes in any road car, no matter how powerful it is, and especially not with a car with wheelspin as bad as this one has. This thread contains times set by some of the world's best drivers in stock road cars on N2 tires, and you can see that the top Speed 12 time is 7'47.5. Even though that time surely wasn't perfect, it was definitely competitive, and nobody, not even an "alien" like holl01, can take 45 seconds off a competitive time.

 

[Pitracer100]

Are you trying to make yourself look like a complete idiot? How on earth do you think a community as experienced as ours with the GT games will believe such a ludicrous claim? Comfort tires will never produce a Nurburgring time of seven minutes in any road car, no matter how powerful it is, and especially not with a car with wheelspin as bad as this one has.

nurburgringking are you serious. Adding RSS tires will make all your dreams come true with any car. Also, GTplanet members aren't as unskilled as you think. We do not need help for a tune with the Speed 12 because you need to remember the game is 4 years old which means countless tunes have been made. Many members are 100% complete with GT1, GT2, GT3, GT4, GT5P. Completed the endurance races dozens of times. We all know the difference between a credible times and the 🤬!

 

[NURBURGRINGKING]

Ok...don't believe me then...that's your problem, not mine. And i decided to use the manual box as a one off.

One thought for you , though - just because somebody doesn't brag about their BEST lap times, that doesn't mean that they are not one of the best...

I am going to go and check my time now to prove it - and i might just post a pic of my time...

 

[Austin343]

We all know you're lying, full stop. Isn't that clear by now? And that "thought for us" doesn't make any sense - are you referring to the person with the 7'47 lap, or to yourself? Because you are bragging about your best times, so it can't apply to you, and the person with the 7'47 lap doesn't brag, so by your statement, he is one of the best. That's completely true, but I doubt it's what you meant. I suspect you didn't intend to write that "not" in the second part of the statement.

 

[Open Addict]

...And i decided to use the manual box as a one off...

So you lied in this and in the other thread.
Your posts are becoming less believable every time you press submit.

If I were you, I would quit, while you are so far behind.
There is no way you can dig yourself out of this hole.

Even if you were to post pictures of your claimed feats, no-one would believe them, as you probably would have photo-shopped them.

Let's try and get this back OT