UK to adopt three strikes policy on Piracy

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Business Secretary intends to usher in internet anti-piracy measures in 2011

Labour MP and Business Secretary Peter Mandelson has stated that the UK will follow the lead set by France in introducing a “three-strikes-and-you’re-out” policy that will leave those accused of internet piracy without a broadband connection.

Lord Mandelson wants those found guilty of repeat offences cut off within 15 months of the original offence. However, no details concerning the policing or enforcement of this policy have been revealed.

Ofcom will be put in charge of the appeals process. However, flying the in face of Britain’s long-established legal system, those identified as pirates will only be allowed to appeal once they have been identified for disconnection – it does not seem as if a defence will be allowed prior to the verdict being passed.

“We need to make breaking the law an unnecessary risk,” Lord Mandelson stated. “I was shocked to learn that only one in 20 music tracks in the UK is downloaded legally. We cannot sit back and do nothing.

“Taking people's work without due payment is wrong. It is not just morally unacceptable but it is unsustainable. The days of consequence free online infringement are over.

“All the rules need to be sensible and need to be up to date. Technical measures will be a last resort and I have no expectation of mass suspensions resulting.”

I'm very happy about this, it's high time companies get protection over digital content. It's been too long. Your on the street stores get their products protected, why can't digital content be the same?
 
This is ridiculous. Knowing the culture here, though, I'm not surprised at the amount of support this will get.

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Labour MP and Business Secretary Peter Mandelson has stated that the UK will follow the lead set by France in introducing a “three-strikes-and-you’re-out” policy that will leave those accused of internet piracy without a broadband connection.

This part throws me off; in so many respects France takes a progressive approach to social tolerance—being the first country to explicitly place blame upon the organisation of the Church of Scientology for the exploitation of its' members—but takes 2 steps back with these measures. I'm just glad that Canada has an active and vocal voterbase when it comes to the regulation of multimedia.
 
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Doesn't really affect me. The only free tracks I've ever downloaded for free have been ones that artists have expressly offered as free.

I'm surprised Peter Mandelson knows what an internet is, though.
 
Oh goodness, I hope the guys who provide the entire USA with our Top Gear fix don't puss out because of this...
 
Wait, wouldn't the government canceling someone's connection break contracts that people sign with broadband suppliers?

Also, what happens if someone leeches of your connection? Do you still get fined and have to deal with your internet getting cut off?

This sounds like one of those "we didn't really think that out well" laws that would get passed here.
 
I'd imagine they'd make it law that it is a part of the contract between ISP and customer. (Though I could well be right in thinking it already exists, just isn't enforced.)

You are responsible for your connection, if someone leeches of it, use a password better than 1234.
 
I think its a good law but a pain becuase now you have to buy all songs and movies to watch them but you're ment to anyway.
 
Wait, wouldn't the government canceling someone's connection break contracts that people sign with broadband suppliers?

Also, what happens if someone leeches of your connection? Do you still get fined and have to deal with your internet getting cut off?

This sounds like one of those "we didn't really think that out well" laws that would get passed here.

Well that's basically it. Ever since Mandy brought up the idea there's been someone from nearly every ISP popping up on the news to suggest it's a ridiculous idea, simply because 'nobody secures their wifi'.

I think that's part of the idea behind the three strike rule though. The theory being that two mysterious 'warnings' about illegally downloading Avril Lavigne tracks should be enough to tip off most people that there's someone piggybacking their wifi, and that maybe it needs securing.
 
The theory being that two mysterious 'warnings' about illegally downloading Avril Lavigne tracks should be enough to tip off most people that there's someone piggybacking their wifi, and that maybe it needs securing.

Or that maybe they should also stop pirating music. But that's another argument altogether.

At least this law isn't trying to ban the whole BitTorrent protocol outright, as I had heard they tried to earlier.

On a sidenote, many ISPs are also opposed to this law. I'll be surprised if it passes, and equally surprised if it doesn't. (Such is the folly of precedent Vs. my pessimism.)
 
What, BBC America?
You mean how they show it cut, with commercials, in the wrong format, and are only on season 7?

I'll be watching the new season in HD just a day after you on November 16th. I can't wait!
 
I'd imagine they'd make it law that it is a part of the contract between ISP and customer. (Though I could well be right in thinking it already exists, just isn't enforced.)

You are responsible for your connection, if someone leeches of it, use a password better than 1234.
There are several problems that a password no matter how complex can solve.
1) There is hacking software as well as other ways to hack into a connection.(I am not smart enough to use them but I know they are out there)

2) People that share a connection with others. People often do this as a way of making broadband cheaper by charging others a couple bucks to use it.

3) Public hotspots, Are they going to cut off the whole connection to a business because people are pirating while there?
 
There are several problems that a password no matter how complex can solve.
1) There is hacking software as well as other ways to hack into a connection.(I am not smart enough to use them but I know they are out there)

Not quite. Use the right security protocol (not WEP, in other words...) and your connection is actually pretty safe. I'm not saying it's un-hackable, but select the right method of security and it'd be a hell of a lot of effort to gain access.

2) People that share a connection with others. People often do this as a way of making broadband cheaper by charging others a couple bucks to use it.

...then surely said 'landlord' would smell a rat when warnings come through his letterbox and threaten to cut off whoever he's selling it on to?

3) Public hotspots, Are they going to cut off the whole connection to a business because people are pirating while there?

That one I can't answer, but I'm guessing the large hotspot companies like BT Openzone and TheCloud have simply blocked the popular P2P/BitTorrent ports already to prevent any risky activities.
 
I'd love to know how they plan to police this. Most pirate users nowadays only get caught because they use P2P rather than torrents.

Fixed.

About half of all residential wireless access points are unsecured.
I tend to think that statistic is extrememely dated. Maybe going back a couple of years when Wi-Fi was just hitting the mainstream but nowadays you've not got the choice you used to when searching a terraced street.
 
About half of all residential wireless access points are unsecured.
I tend to think that statistic is extrememely dated. Maybe going back a couple of years when Wi-Fi was just hitting the mainstream but nowadays you've not got the choice you used to when searching a terraced street.
Of the 6 Wi-Fi signals I have available while sitting here in my kitchen, 4 are not protected. This summer, my net went down and I was too lazy to go downstairs and reset it so I just connected to my neighbors across the street for a bit. Kinda makes me wonder why I'm paying for DSL... :lol:
 
People are idiots for not having a password. A couple of weeks ago I housesitted in the densely populated CBD, it's just insane to not have one. Too make it more insane they still had the default router password, so I changed it and blocked their MAC address for a day, to see if they would get the picture.

That said, a lot of people still use WEP as well, which can be cracked in about a minute by anyone that knows what they're doing.
 
People are idiots for not having a password. A couple of weeks ago I housesitted in the densely populated CBD, it's just insane to not have one. Too make it more insane they still had the default router password, so I changed it and blocked their MAC address for a day, to see if they would get the picture.

That said, a lot of people still use WEP as well, which can be cracked in about a minute by anyone that knows what they're doing.

I use to go around and change the names of people's networks from my iPod touch. Was quite amusing.

As for this law, it is very typical UK-knee-jerk-not-thought-out-legislation.
 
TB
Of the 6 Wi-Fi signals I have available while sitting here in my kitchen, 4 are not protected. This summer, my net went down and I was too lazy to go downstairs and reset it so I just connected to my neighbors across the street for a bit. Kinda makes me wonder why I'm paying for DSL... :lol:
It must be a generation gap because I'm currently living in a mostly student-rent area and even the locals are savvy enough to have protection. I learnt this when we didn't have internet set up at our house and none of the 12 or so connections were open at my house and few were that I found while out and about with my phone.
 
About half of all residential wireless access points are unsecured.

I tend to think that statistic is extrememely dated. Maybe going back a couple of years when Wi-Fi was just hitting the mainstream but nowadays you've not got the choice you used to when searching a terraced street.

TB
Of the 6 Wi-Fi signals I have available while sitting here in my kitchen, 4 are not protected. This summer, my net went down and I was too lazy to go downstairs and reset it so I just connected to my neighbors across the street for a bit. Kinda makes me wonder why I'm paying for DSL... :lol:

It must be a generation gap because I'm currently living in a mostly student-rent area and even the locals are savvy enough to have protection. I learnt this when we didn't have internet set up at our house and none of the 12 or so connections were open at my house and few were that I found while out and about with my phone.

It used to be that wireless access points were all secured - they were so rare that those who had them actually knew what they were doing. As it has become the norm, more and more are just plugged in - even though they almost all have instructions on how to secure them (after all, who read instructions?).

Of all the access points near me, 6 are completely unsecured and two are WEP secured. The only one which is WPA-PSK2 is in my house (and it also has predefined IP routing except when a UKGTP is on).
 
This is ridiculous.

This part throws me off; in so many respects France takes a progressive approach to social tolerance... but takes 2 steps back with these measures. I'm just glad that Canada has an active and vocal voterbase when it comes to the regulation of multimedia.

WHY exactly is this ridiculous and regressive? I think it's about damn time that copyright material and digital rights are enforced with some teeth.

Yadda yadda too expensive yadda free music yadda bands get exposure yadda yadda.

I'm NOT defining all free downloaded media as piracy. I just got the whole Mojo Nixon catalog for free DL through Amazon. Legitimate rights owners are welcome to share their property at any cost they deem proper, even no cost. But that doesn't give anybody else the right to decide it should be free.

[edit] I am not saying that the law is well thought out in it's current form because I am sure it is not. But the idea of rights enforcement is not ridiculous at all.
 
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It used to be that wireless access points were all secured - they were so rare that those who had them actually knew what they were doing. As it has become the norm, more and more are just plugged in - even though they almost all have instructions on how to secure them (after all, who read instructions?).

Of all the access points near me, 6 are completely unsecured and two are WEP secured. The only one which is WPA-PSK2 is in my house (and it also has predefined IP routing except when a UKGTP is on).
Interesting, I might go on a ride in the next week looking for unsecured connections in different areas.
 
Oddly I used to work at a boarding school where the sysadmin left the access points unsecured as anyone connecting to "his" network had to get through his WebSense filter and he didn't believe that any of the children (who all came from very wealthy families - one child's daddy had two Lamborghinis...) could access anything he didn't allow.

It took me 5 minutes with just a PSP to show the IT manager I could access hardcore porn through the school's network (possibly the only time accessing porn while working at a school has ever been appropriate). Amazingly, the sysadmin still didn't believe the IT manager...


Edit: Of course, on-topic, the point would be that the people accessing the non-legal materials are not necessarily the same people who would be affected by having their network connection terminated.
 
It took me 5 minutes with just a PSP to show the IT manager I could access hardcore porn through the school's network (possibly the only time accessing porn while working at a school has ever been appropriate). Amazingly, the sysadmin still didn't believe the IT manager...
I used to do the same thing in high school! Not porn, mind you, but still.
 
Stupid law.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea behind cracking down on illegal downloading, but eliminating broadband just doesn't make sense. That would be like telling a shoplifter that he couldn't go to a mall anymore after 3 times of shoplifting. He can still go to other stores, mind you, just not a mall - where there are lots of stores.

These sorts of creative penalties irritate me. Just put the person in jail and get it over with (I feel similarly about sex offenders btw). There's no need to make the system any more complicated than that.
 
What about a family where 1 person downloads stuff illegally and ignores the warnings. The house then loses its broadband leaving however many innocent people without broadband. You're then punishing innocent people for doing nothing wrong.

TalkTalk talking sense for once.

TalkTalk threatens legal action over Mandelson's filesharing plan

Carphone Warehouse-owned internet service provider attacks plans to cut off connections of persistent filesharers

TalkTalk, the second largest internet service provider in the UK, has threatened to launch legal action if business secretary Peter Mandelson follows through with his plan to cut off persistent illegal filesharers' internet connections.

Carphone Warehouse-owned TalkTalk, which has more than 4 million ISP customers and owns the Tiscali and AOL brands, claimed the government's plan was based on filesharers being "guilty until proven innocent" and constituted an infringement of human rights.

"The approach is based on the principle of 'guilty until proven innocent' and substitutes proper judicial process for a kangaroo court," said Andrew Heaney, the executive director of strategy and regulation at TalkTalk. "We know this approach will lead to wrongful accusations."

The government plans to look at increased action against illegal downloaders, including potentially suspending the accounts of persistent offenders, from July 2011 if a 70% reduction in online piracy is not achieved by sending warning letters. Customers will have the right to appeal if they are targeted and their connection subjected to technical measures.

"If the government moves to stage two, we would consider that extra-judicial technical measures, and would look to appeal the decision [to the courts] because it infringes human rights," Heaney said. "TalkTalk will continue to resist any attempts to make it impose technical measures on its customers unless directed to do so by a court or recognised tribunal."

BT, the largest ISP in the UK, said it "remains concerned" about some of the government's proposals and is "interested to hear whether or not customers will have some form of fair legal hearing before their broadband supplier is required to take any action against them".

Chris Watson, the head of telecoms law at legal firm CMS Cameron McKenna, said that the opportunity to appeal was "very different to the legal safeguards that normally apply to the determination of the infringement of intellectual property rights and it may be incompatible with the European convention on human rights".

However, Tony Ballard, partner at media and entertainment law firm Harbottle & Lewis, said that Mandelson's plan to suspend internet connections did not breach human rights regulations.

"This issue over whether removing someone's internet access breaches some fundamental right has been quite clearly settled by the European court of justice," Ballard added. "It ruled in a Spanish filesharing case last year that a user's fundamental rights are not absolute but have to be weighed against the rights of others, including copyright owners."

Ballard said that it is for the "individual states and their courts to hold the balance". He added that Mandelson clearly had an eye on France where a tough "three strikes" cut-off policy has been implemented and approved by the French legislature.

"The key questions are going to be around how the ISPs will manage the burden of proof, who is going to be responsible for the final decision to deny someone access to the internet and how that denial can be challenged in court," he added.
 
Of course, this is only a proposition, and has yet to pass through Lord's and Common's iirc.

I think the approach to it could/needs to be better.

What about a family where 1 person downloads stuff illegally and ignores the warnings. The house then loses its broadband leaving however many innocent people without broadband. You're then punishing innocent people for doing nothing wrong.

I'd have to disagree with that. The person who pays for the broadband is responsible for all who use it, if they can't control who uses it, that's their problem.
 
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