Upgrading to a g25

[soldaatthijs]

Hi i have the driving force gt.

And i am thinking to upgrade it to a g25.

But do you think its worth upgrading.

My main problem with the driving force gt is the weak force feedback with gt5 prolgue, and i dont like the shifters on the steer.

I can sell my driving force gt for 55 euro's (buyed it for 80) and i can buy g25 for 160 euro.

I want to use this steering wheel the most for gt5.

Hope you guys can help me

 

[hardvibes]

1)sorry, wrong section
2)dfgt's force feedback is pretty good (see gtr2, supercar challenge... it depends on the games really) and I don't think it is that different from g25's.
3)the problem with the g25 is that the pedals are too close and the shifter is not that solid.

 

[Imari]

The weak feedback from Prologue is more from the way Prologue is designed than any fault of the wheel. In other games it can be much stronger. I find the effects to be much stronger in Ferrari Challenge and Shift, to the point of feeling like I'm wrestling with the wheel at times (I have a DFGT too).

 

[soldaatthijs]

So the force feedback is almost equel in both reacing wheels?

 

[Jay]

Force feedback strength in GT5P really depends on the car, choose a softer type car like the 350GT sedan and it has a quite light steering feel, choose a harsher car and it is firmer and more direct, choose the F1 and it is very stiff. Because GT5P hasn't really got any racing cars (besides the F2007) most cars feel quite soft compared to other games (that are mostly race/track cars).

Get the G25 if you want to use the clutch and H pattern shifter, if you don't care for that then better paddles and stiffer pedals arn't worth paying all that extra for.

As for pedals too close together, I don't have that problem what so ever.

 

[haubi]

Force feedback strength in GT5P really depends on the car, choose a softer type car like the 350GT sedan and it has a quite light steering feel, choose a harsher car and it is firmer and more direct, choose the F1 and it is very stiff. Because GT5P hasn't really got any racing cars (besides the F2007) most cars feel quite soft compared to other games (that are mostly race/track cars).

Get the G25 if you want to use the clutch and H pattern shifter, if you don't care for that then better paddles and stiffer pedals arn't worth paying all that extra for.

As for pedals too close together, I don't have that problem what so ever.

listen to this man he speaks the truth

 

[IsmokeGT]

DFGT is much louder too, right?

 

[haubi]

can't remember if its actually louder (thinks so though) but the noise the dfgt makes is much worse than the noise from the g25

 

[Gejost]

Force feedback on max in GT5P is far from weak if you ask me.

 

[cletus 669]

Force feedback on max in GT5P is far from weak if you ask me.

I get great FFB from my DFP set at 10 and a stiff suspension setting. It does depend what car too. My problem with the G25/G27 is that I mostly drive "race cars" and most of them use a ratchet shifter or paddles on the wheel so an old-fashioned H-pattern shifter doesn't seem to fit in to me. If I was actually going to turn a road car into a weekend racer the first thing I would upgrade is the tranny to incorperate a "slap shifter"(ratchet shifter) or wheel paddles. So in my opinion the "new" h-pattern just is not realistic. If my DFP ever dies I hope I will be able to still find a DFGT at least, but will not get a G25/G27 for that reason.

 

[Pingwhen]

Cletus. You do know the h shifter turns into a sequential shifter right? You not have to use the h pattern if you don't want too. ( yes this is only on the g25 )

 

[myke6699]

I get great FFB from my DFP set at 10 and a stiff suspension setting. It does depend what car too. My problem with the G25/G27 is that I mostly drive "race cars" and most of them use a ratchet shifter or paddles on the wheel so an old-fashioned H-pattern shifter doesn't seem to fit in to me. If I was actually going to turn a road car into a weekend racer the first thing I would upgrade is the tranny to incorperate a "slap shifter"(ratchet shifter) or wheel paddles. So in my opinion the "new" h-pattern just is not realistic. If my DFP ever dies I hope I will be able to still find a DFGT at least, but will not get a G25/G27 for that reason.

With a turn of a knob, you can turn any G25 H-gated shifter into sequential (not so with the G27, I'm afraid). And of course you get paddle shifter as well on the G25. While the FFB on the wheel perhaps isn't stronger than the one on the DFGT, the built quality and ultimately the quality of the FFB far exceed that of the more affordable Logitech wheels. If you can find it at a good price now that the G27 has replaced it, I would seriously consider the G25.

 

[cletus 669]

Ok, so the G25 might not be half bad then. From what I have seen the peddles look and feel way better, more durable on the G25 and the G27 than they do on the logitech DFP or the DFGT. That is where all 3 of mine have failed, number 4 is clean socks only and NO CHILDREN!!!

 

[Jay]

Ok, so the G25 might not be half bad then. From what I have seen the peddles look and feel way better, more durable on the G25 and the G27 than they do on the logitech DFP or the DFGT. That is where all 3 of mine have failed, number 4 is clean socks only and NO CHILDREN!!!

The G25/G27 pedals are much more durable (DFGT is also improved over DFP) and the paddles are much nicer (large stainless with solid click) although only the G25 has a sequential shifter mode, the G27 is H pattern or paddles only.

 

[twinace]

The G25/G27 pedals are much more durable (DFGT is also improved over DFP) and the paddles are much nicer (large stainless with solid click) although only the G25 has a sequential shifter mode, the G27 is H pattern or paddles only.

Stainless? I thought they were Aluminum?
The G27 also has a helical gear setup. The G25 freaks me out sometimes on startup (when the wheel self-centers itself). It's pretty loud and when it locks on both ends, it makes a ka-chunk sound.
I don't get a solid click on mine. I just get defined clicks. Logitech cheaped out on the electronic on/off push buttons actuated by the paddle shifters in my opinion for the G25.

 

[Jay]

Yep, stainless.

The wheel, shifter and pedals are made with premium materials such as stainless steel and leather

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/172/2536&cl=us,en


The paddles internal switches are microswitches.

 

[twinace]

Yep, stainless.


http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/172/2536&cl=us,en


The paddles internal switches are microswitches.

👍 Thanks for the information on the stainless steel.

FYI:

I've actually used some left over tennis over-grip over my steering wheel. It does several things for me:
1) Increase the wheel grip diameter
2) Provides a grippier surface while racing
3) Protects the leather from my sweaty hands and preventing the leather from smelling bad

So one side of my wheel is Prince tape, the other side is Gosen tape. haha

 

[EAsports017]

The force feedback is really not much different. The main reason i upgraded from the dfgt to the g25 is for the H pattern shifter, and also so that the shifter isnt right next to the wheel. Id say its well worth the money

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Me and my friend did a test, We switched wheels for a week, I had his G25, he had my DFGT, At the end of the week, Holding back tears knowing i have to go back to no clutch..
We both decided there was no difference, He did tell me he thought the DFGT felt a little more heavier then the G25 in some cars, which was a good thing.He then told me he almost broke the brake pedal due to having a clutch engraved in his reflexes. It was great fun, The DFGT feels almost the same as a G25 imo, Which is impressive for it being 1 motor.


That said i will still probably upgrade... I really miss the H shifter and Clutch.

 

[Kryz11]

Me and my friend did a test, We switched wheels for a week, I had his G25, he had my DFGT, At the end of the week, Holding back tears knowing i have to go back to no clutch..
We both decided there was no difference, He did tell me he thought the DFGT felt a little more heavier then the G25 in some cars, which was a good thing.He then told me he almost broke the brake pedal due to having a clutch engraved in his reflexes. It was great fun, The DFGT feels almost the same as a G25 imo, Which is impressive for it being 1 motor.


That said i will still probably upgrade... I really miss the H shifter and Clutch.

Exactly my words!

Keep the DF GT wheel, The knobs and buttons on the wheel makes it much easier life for GT5P, sure no clutch and shifter, but So far GT5P's clutch only works as ON and OFF button, and Shifter is crap. Not worth the money.

Wait few more months. Maybe GT5 will have another G27 GT edition wheel. Then it would be worth switching.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Exactly my words!

Keep the DF GT wheel, The knobs and buttons on the wheel makes it much easier life for GT5P, sure no clutch and shifter, but So far GT5P's clutch only works as ON and OFF button, and Shifter is crap. Not worth the money.

Wait few more months. Maybe GT5 will have another G27 GT edition wheel. Then it would be worth switching.

Or maybe logitech will upgrade the DFGT. I can only hope. That said i do like the shifter on the DFGT, It feel's like the shifter out of the 2009 hyundai sonata V6 limited i test drove, tough and very quick shifts. Nice sturdy and realistic feel to it, It does not feel cheap like some other wheel's.

 

[QuantumReaction]

Me and my friend did a test, We switched wheels for a week, I had his G25, he had my DFGT, At the end of the week, Holding back tears knowing i have to go back to no clutch..
We both decided there was no difference, He did tell me he thought the DFGT felt a little more heavier then the G25 in some cars, which was a good thing.He then told me he almost broke the brake pedal due to having a clutch engraved in his reflexes. It was great fun, The DFGT feels almost the same as a G25 imo, Which is impressive for it being 1 motor.


That said i will still probably upgrade... I really miss the H shifter and Clutch.

Thanks for the info, i will probably get the G25 in November once the G27 has been released, that should give the g25 a well needed price cut! (and make a good B-day present)

Question to anyone who has the G27: Does the LED rev lights at the top of the steering wheel work with GT5P?

 

[cletus 669]

(DFGT is also improved over DFP) How? I have the DFP and my best friend has the DFGT, we get together every couple of weeks and turn my living room into GT heaven! I have 2 hdtv's and he brings over his PS3 and DFGT set up, we play online side by side(a hell of a great time),sometimes we switch seats and try eachothers set up. The only diference we can find is that his says GT on the center of the wheel and mine says Logitech. so other than that what exactly is the diference, does anybody know? And the GT doesn't make him any faster cause I beat him very consistantly without the GT logo on my wheel, haha. So what is "improved" on his over mine?

 

[Jay]

but So far GT5P's clutch only works as ON and OFF button

You know that is false. With practice (learning the biting point position) you can slip the clutch quite easily.

Jay(DFGT is also improved over DFP) How? I have the DFP and my best friend has the DFGT, we get together every couple of weeks and turn my living room into GT heaven! I have 2 hdtv's and he brings over his PS3 and DFGT set up, we play online side by side(a hell of a great time),sometimes we switch seats and try eachothers set up. The only diference we can find is that his says GT on the center of the wheel and mine says Logitech. so other than that what exactly is the diference, does anybody know? And the GT doesn't make him any faster cause I beat him very consistantly without the GT logo on my wheel, haha. So what is "improved" on his over mine?

Are you sure you are playing DFP and DFGT? (DFP came with GT and Logitech centres depending when you bought it)

Because the wheels have have huge differences..

Externally the DFGT has the real time adjustments buttons and a horn.
The DFGT wheel is larger.
DFGT FFB motor has been changed which allows a much faster free spin when drifting or making quick countersteers, while being much quiter (very noticable)
DFGT's pedals while looking the same have a better internal design to greatly reduce the change of damage to the resistance pots (causing the spikes and odd behavior).

I have a DFP and it was brilliant in its time (Still is good) but compared to current wheels it is noisey and hard to swing around quickly.

 

[cletus 669]

Both of our wheels look like the one on the right, but mine says Logitech in the middle. Wow! I have never seen the one on the left. So you think the left one is better? And the G25 is even better still?(In your opinion of coarse)

 

[Jay]

Both of our wheels look like the one on the right, but mine says Logitech in the middle. Wow! I have never seen the one on the left. So you think the left one is better? And the G25 is even better still?(In your opinion of coarse)

The one on the right is a Driving force pro, early wheels had GT logos and later were Logitech logos.

The one on the left is the Driving Force GT, yes it is quite improved in many ways. The G25 is better still because the high quality stainless steel pedals, stainless wheel and paddles. The DFGT's FFB closes the gap to the G25 but the G25's is a little better (IMO). The main advantage of the G25 is the H pattern shifter option and clutch.

But if you're not interested in clutch/H pattern then it's probably not worth the extra money especially considering it has more buttons (including real time adjustments) on the wheel.

 

[RedSuinit]

You know that is false. With practice (learning the biting point position) you can slip the clutch quite easily.



Are you sure you are playing DFP and DFGT? (DFP came with GT and Logitech centres depending when you bought it)

Because the wheels have have huge differences..

Externally the DFGT has the real time adjustments buttons and a horn.
The DFGT wheel is larger.
DFGT FFB motor has been changed which allows a much faster free spin when drifting or making quick countersteers, while being much quiter (very noticable)
DFGT's pedals while looking the same have a better internal design to greatly reduce the change of damage to the resistance pots (causing the spikes and odd behavior).

I have a DFP and it was brilliant in its time (Still is good) but compared to current wheels it is noisey and hard to swing around quickly.

The DFP is still a phenomenal wheel. It was the most money I could justify to myself to spend on a wheel, and I can compete with the best of them. Now I used to have the Driving Force. That's right, the 200 degree plain old driving force. Now that I have switched to the DFP I am at least 3 to 4 seconds faster. AT LEAST. I used to get whooped on here constantly, and thought that I must have just sucked. But now that I have a good wheel I have realized that it was the wheel that was holding me back. Not my "lack of skill". I would love to try the G25's H shifter, but I just can't justify spending that kind of money just for an H pattern shifter.

 

[Vuduegg]

The main advantage of the G25 is the H pattern shifter option and clutch.

The other thing about the G25 also is that the shifter unit with D-pad controls etc is separate to the wheel, which gives better options for your driving position set up. With mine, I mounted the shifter on a wooden frame attached to my chair, so I had a setup like a floor shift car.

 

[Jay]

The DFP is still a phenomenal wheel. It was the most money I could justify to myself to spend on a wheel, and I can compete with the best of them. Now I used to have the Driving Force. That's right, the 200 degree plain old driving force. Now that I have switched to the DFP I am at least 3 to 4 seconds faster. AT LEAST. I used to get whooped on here constantly, and thought that I must have just sucked. But now that I have a good wheel I have realized that it was the wheel that was holding me back. Not my "lack of skill". I would love to try the G25's H shifter, but I just can't justify spending that kind of money just for an H pattern shifter.

Don't get me wrong the DFP is great and when it first came along (around 2003, GT4P days) it was pretty much a revolution in wheel tech (900 degree became standard) at the time, since then we have seen improvements to the same basic form. I was blown to bits when I got my DFP for GT4P and the only reason I upgraded to a G25 is when I learnt spec II GT5P had clutch support. I probably would have got a DFGT as prices are sooo low, one stage it was cheaper than a DS3 controller over here... and is still only a little bit more.

After years of use and abuse of my old trust DFP it still runs strong.

 

[Niels_at_home]

If you ask me the pedals and shifter alone are worth getting a G25 (or 27) over a DFGT. And while the DFGT is better than the dreaded DFP which felt like it was set in glue. DFGT / DFP have a dual strage transmission in order to get high forces from a single motor, which means there is still a tad more inertia and 'resistance to fast movement' than the single transmission G25/27. With force feedback wheels you could have a single tiny motor wheel rip your hands off, but it will need more gearing so it'll happen slower. And since the steering sensor is on the motor shaft, and every gear ads some play, there will be less play on a G25/27. Looking on the PC I had a slight 'deadzone' when switching direction on the DFP; all the gears had to interlock the other way before the steering sensor was rotated.


Oh and the issue that the G25 pedals aren't spaced out nicely, well there might be a sollution in my signature..

cheers
Niels