Viewer Discretion Advised: US Soldier throws puppy off a cliff in Iraq

[Christhedude]

Hey guys,

i stumbled across this very disturbing video while surfing the net.

http://www.7days.ae/showvideo.php?id=127

Not just because i'm a dog lover but also because thats inhuman i really disrespect that soldier!


Chris

 

[DQuaN]

I'd like to throw him off that cliff.

 

[Jay]

I would have pushed both of them off too, If I had witnessed that. Or shoot them, either way.

 

[VTiRoj]

I'd like to throw him off that cliff.

Agreed. Preferably onto a huge spike of some kind too.

At least the puppy is in a better place now. (i.e. Doggie-heaven)

 

[McLaren]

There's been so much news regarding this (CNN and Fox mainly). Has anyone managed to figure out if this is fake or real? Lots of clues point to fake.

Either way, the soldier has been reported to have been put under an investigation.

 

[kikie]

How is it possible that he capable of doing something like that?

 

[Diego440]

War brings out the worst in people... not that that's an excuse... any incident in which a dog is hurt is not funny, ever.

 

[Beerz]

War brings out the worst in people... not that that's an excuse... any incident in which a dog is hurt is not funny, ever.

War brings out the worst in people, but (and like you said it's no excuse) the dog was nobody's enemy, what the hell was that for?

I'm more of the opinion that war is an excuse for people's true underlying animal behaviour to come out. Especially because many seem to think (many times right) that, since you're in a war, all your actions are excused because you're in a war, anything goes.

All in all, it's just revolting. Truly disgusting...

 

[Loon]

I'm not going to post what I did when I saw this video.

How do you like how he shows no sympathy. Oh wells.:shrug:

 

[Omnis]

Agreed. Preferably onto a huge spike of some kind too.

At least the puppy is in a better place now. (i.e. Doggie-heaven)

No, actually the dog survived. Or at least he said it wasn't dead when it landed, from the report I read. They say they usually shoot them.

Anyway, I don't know why they can't just leave the dogs alone.

 

[YSSMAN]

There's been so much news regarding this (CNN and Fox mainly). Has anyone managed to figure out if this is fake or real? Lots of clues point to fake.

Either way, the soldier has been reported to have been put under an investigation.

After the story was posted on Digg.com a week or so back there was a lot of groundwork being done by the users as to whether or not it was real. I haven't tracked the story in a few weeks, but I'm in the camp that it isn't quite as real as it seems.

I completely appreciate everything that our soldiers are doing there, but we should not let a few bad apples ruin the whole barrel.

Which brings me to my next question:

Why would you tape it, and furthermore, talk about your information in it? That almost seems like it would be fake...

Here is the link to the Digg story

The dude is a Marine, and he's (apparently) on his way back to Hawaii. He is already under investigation for whats going on, however, no word if he has been punished as of yet... I'd assume a dishonorable discharge may be in order.

 

[Loon]

...I'd assume a dishonorable discharge may be in order.

For killing a dog? Thats a bit harsh don't you think? There's no way thats equal punishment for killing a puppy.

IMO, we should ease of this guy a little, there were some pretty bad things said about him on that Digg link. Sure he threw a poor, defenseless, helpless, innocent little dog off a cliff, but what has he done for our country? Is him killing that dog enough to ignore what he's done for us, fighting in the middle east so one of us doesn't have/need to?

Some may say he's brought shame upon us, brought us down as a country, and on the whole made us look worse, but anyone with half a brain isn't going to group him in with the rest of us. He's an outlier. Only an ignorant person would have the opinion that since one Marine threw a dog off a cliff then all Marines and or Americans are no good puppy killers.

Devil's Advocate.

 

[Christhedude]

There's been so much news regarding this (CNN and Fox mainly). Has anyone managed to figure out if this is fake or real? Lots of clues point to fake.

dont know if its a fake or not. Either way if its real is just disgusting and if its a fake.... still disgusting!

 

[Jordan]

For killing a dog? Thats a bit harsh don't you think? There's no way thats equal punishment for killing a puppy.

IMO, we should ease of this guy a little, there were some pretty bad things said about him on that Digg link. Sure he threw a poor, defenseless, helpless, innocent little dog off a cliff, but what has he done for our country? Is him killing that dog enough to ignore what he's done for us, fighting in the middle east so one of us doesn't have/need to?

Some may say he's brought shame upon us, brought us down as a country, and on the whole made us look worse, but anyone with half a brain isn't going to group him in with the rest of us. He's an outlier. Only an ignorant person would have the opinion that since one Marine threw a dog off a cliff then all Marines and or Americans are no good puppy killers.

Devil's Advocate.

I couldn't agree with you more, Loon. It's pretty disturbing that someone's initial reaction would be to wish this soldier was killed for these actions. It's a horrific thing that that he did - no doubt - but the "outrage" is ridiculous, especially when compared to the far more disturbing things that people do to other people every single day.

 

[McLaren]

For killing a dog? Thats a bit harsh don't you think? There's no way thats equal punishment for killing a puppy.
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Why not? We discharged a guy maybe a year or so back just for getting into the Army and then telling his own fellow soldiers that the war was a useless and barbaric idea.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

Nobody suggested he should be killed so far as I can see, Jordan ...?

Either way, if it's real, it suggests an EXTREMELY volatile personality, and this is not likely to be an isolated event for someone like this.

Opinions on the war aside, when you swear an oath and wear the badge of your country there is an inherent responsibility to act in a manner befitting the honor your place on what that badge means. I, for one, don't want my country represented by someone who likely disected cats as a hobby in his formative years, thanks. Discharge the worthless SOB if this proves to be real.

Clever subtext, Loon

 

[Year.Zero]

Why is it, lately, that all the junkmail I delete in my email inbox now ends up at GTP? Is that where my junk is going? Should I stop deleting junkmail? What has the dryer done with my socks? Are they here too?

 

[TopHat]

Why is it, lately, that all the junkmail I delete in my email inbox now ends up at GTP? Is that where my junk is going? Should I stop deleting junkmail? What has the dryer done with my socks? Are they here too?

Ding ding ding. This seems very fake. Look how that dog flies, and how you can hear it yapping quite a while away.

 

[WallRunner]

Methinks it's very fake, as the dog yapping never gets quieter until it lands, probably some degenerate kid who thinks it's funny to make fake things like this.

From,
Chris.

 

[Year.Zero]

Methinks it's very fake, as the dog yapping never gets quieter until it lands, probably some degenerate kid who thinks it's funny to make fake things like this.

From,
Chris.

I'm positing that there was, in fact a live dog. At one point. However, shortly before turning to the other marine, the camera makes a sudden jerk and loses about 5-6 frames. I think it's about here that the second part was stitched on and is where the fakery begins.

Edit:

Actually, the dog doesn't show any signs of livelyness at the beginning, either. Hmm.

 

[Jordan]

Nobody suggested he should be killed so far as I can see, Jordan ...?

Really?

I'd like to throw him off that cliff.

I would have pushed both of them off too, If I had witnessed that. Or shoot them, either way.

...and from Digg...

Wow. I hope he got shot in the face later that day.

If ANYONE has any way to find out who the **** this guy is... we need to get him thrown off a ****ing cliff

Die.

I wont even watch the video but if this guy actually threw a puppy off a cliff.. well... I hope he dies a very slow and painful death.

I hope a suicide bomber gets this guy.

I hope someone throws him off a cliff.. If I see that guy in RL I will do the same to him as he did to that dog! You do not deserve to live you piece of ****!

you know, I usually support our troops, but I want this piece of **** to get shot in the crotch with a shotgun.

...and it goes on and on. My comment was referring to the reactions at large, not only those on GTPlanet.

 

[FoolKiller]

I really think it is fake. The dog hangs there almost limp, and while most cats do that I know few dogs that will.

Plus, the dog doesn't even seem to flail about when it is tossed, but looks very rag doll-like.

I could be wrong and maybe the guy has become a tad bit too desensitized.

Of course, this could all lead back into the debate of what exactly gives animal rights. And if this were a snake would we care?

What is our attachment to dogs that makes us so revolted at the thought of this?

So, I think that even if it is real there is a much bigger underlying discussion that could really be done just by copying and pasting the Michael Vick thread.

 

[Year.Zero]

Really?

...and from Digg...

...and it goes on and on. My comment was referring to the reactions at large, not only those on GTPlanet.

And if it was an alligator, snake, or something equally not-cute, I'm sure the reaction would be total opposite.

The little "eeeeh eeeeh eeeeh!" from the puppy just makes it, too.


Edit: Argh, FK got to it before me.

 

[Kent]

I bet most of the people here who'd say or have said to kill the soldier are the same type to fight the death penalty.

In any case, I'd say it's fake.
Reasons: (although simple and only a short amount of time was spent on this)
1) I saw plain kakhi clothes, not the camo of desert BDUs.
2) I didn't see any weapons (which soldiers usually have with them).
3) I didn't see any name, rank, or flag on the alleged uniforms (on the chest, or either of the arms which is absolutely not acceptable) (and don't act like they'd have the sense to take that stuff off when they use a name in the video... Further, I didn't see any sort of velcro where the appropriate patches would be worn).

Bottom line:
I'd say this is fake. 👎

 

[CraftyLandShark]

If it's fake, good. I didn't watch the video because frankly that's not something I want to see, real or not.

Jordan, I only pointed that out since you quoted a specific post - I thought that's what you were refering to. Obviously even the posts here aren't seriously suggesting he be killed. I can't speak for the members of Digg, but there's obvious hyperbole going on here. You quoted a post that suggested dishonorable discharge - I still stand by the belief that anyone who actually DID something like that certainly deserves discharge.

 

[Kent]

Discharge is one thing, killing is another.
Beyond that, you're clearly putting meaning and understanding into what was not given that meaning and understanding from the original source.
What I mean is, you're speaking up for other people who said someone deserved to die. Further, you're just crawfishing (as they say down here, else where I'd say it's called back-peddling) for the sake of being right when Jordan called you out.

You said no one said that and he showed you otherwise.
Either that means you didn't read the thread or you just insist on creating an argument with Jordan (aka the guy not to mess with ).

 

[CraftyLandShark]

I'm not trying to create an argument - this is a fair, legitimate issue - and I read the thread, but disregarded a few offhand comments that were pretty plainly not serious.

All I said is that I think, given the reasonable nature of most of the members here, it's a fair assumption that they don't ACTUALLY want this soldier (who apparently didn't even do the act in question) to be killed. I'm not trying to argue with anyone - just clarifying what I said earlier. I apologize if that was unclear.

 

[superberkut]

I don't think a puppy would be that clean in such a setting, either.

Even if a fake, the creator would have a sick mind, and if not, the soldier should not be discharged, but chastising enters the question.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

I don't think a puppy would be that clean in such a setting, either.

Even if a fake, the creator would have a sick mind, and if not, the soldier should not be discharged, but chastising enters the question.

Which brings up another interesting question - if the creator is another soldier, or perhaps even the soldier in the video himself, what would be the appropriate response from the Military?

 

[Kent]

I'm not trying to create an argument - this is a fair, legitimate issue - and I read the thread, but disregarded a few offhand comments that were pretty plainly not serious.

All I said is that I think, given the reasonable nature of most of the members here, it's a fair assumption that they don't ACTUALLY want this soldier (who apparently didn't even do the act in question) to be killed. I'm not trying to argue with anyone - just clarifying what I said earlier. I apologize if that was unclear.

Sounds like you're trying to argue with me now and frankly, it's not impressive.
You ignore comments and jump on someone else's case for calling people out on those comments? Not cool.
Or even worse, you didn't read the thread (cause you didn't say, those people weren't serious, you said "Nobody suggested he should be killed so far as I can see, Jordan ...?") even though it was clear as day that such comments had been made (but I guess you couldn't see the first few replies).

Basically, I see you being defensive about making a mistake... A mistake in both not reading or ignoring replies and in assuming you knew what people were trying to say (maybe next time just read what people say and take it for what it is?).

Btw, if this was a real video...
I'd say discharge (not dishonorable).
Yes killing a puppy is bad but I don't think it is a mistake equal to that of the various other crimes needed for dishonorable discharge.

That said, I still think it's fake for the reasons I listed before. 👍
No soldier in Iraq under American command among other American soldiers is going to be without flag, rank, name, etc etc.