villeneuve back in 2005?

[millencolin]

Jacques Villeneuve's manager has confirmed rumours that the out-spoken Canadian could be back in the Formula One fray next season, admitting that the 1997 world champion was already talking to teams about seats.

story at crash.net

villeneuve wants in again. the main team that craig pollock said they were speaking to was, obviously, williams.

but seriously, FW would have to have rocks in his head to re-hire villeneuve. he is not the kind of driver they need. they need a driver who helps build a team, like what mark webber has done with jaguar or JB at BAR, and doesnt it seem ironic that when JV left BAR they improved in leaps and bounds

 

[Mike Rotch]

None of the tops teams will hire him. Not after his history of being "a team player" and not with all the other talented young drivers around.

Now he could pop up in a Jordan or something. Heh. Wouldnt that be funny.

 

[Carl.]

With motivation and the right gear, he could do it. He already proved it, which is more than any other driver currently in the field have done, except for Micheal. But I higly doubt this will happen, his attitude in the past is playing too much against him.

If Webber or Button are not availible next year, I'd choose him anytime over Ralphie.

Are Williams playing some kind of Wili-Weber-Style game?

 

[3rdgenracerX]

The only way I see him comming back is by going to a crappy team. The only reason why he would get in is because he "would" bring in some sponsorship with him.

 

[millencolin]

villeneuve has stated that he would only come back in to f1 with a top team.....so no funny jordan drive for villeneuve...sorry Rotch

 

[Blake]

villeneuve has stated that he would only come back in to f1 with a top team

That's a laugh!

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by millencolin
Villeneuve has stated that he would only come back in to F1 with a top team

No top team would hire him. Only one top team has any real job opportunities next year, and they wouldn't look to go back to Villeneuve. One other team potentially has a space open, but they certainly wouldn't bother. In fact, the team principal of that team has already publicly stated that he would not hire Villeneuve.

It's actually a further indication of what I was already suspecting: that crash.net is more about hearsay and gossip than valid sources.

 

[3rdgenracerX]

I heard on SPEED news last night that he is in talks with Willaims for a seat. Supposedly they said hes high up on the short list that they have.

 

[Lafora]

Originally posted by millencolin
story at crash.net

villeneuve wants in again. the main team that craig pollock said they were speaking to was, obviously, williams.

but seriously, FW would have to have rocks in his head to re-hire villeneuve. he is not the kind of driver they need. they need a driver who helps build a team, like what mark webber has done with jaguar or JB at BAR, and doesnt it seem ironic that when JV left BAR they improved in leaps and bounds

you might want to read this

http://www.planet-f1.com/Features/Editorials/story_15326.shtml

 

[millencolin]

he is having a seat fitting....but wiliams just said that villeneuve is not testing for the team.......in france! what this space

 

[scuderia229]

I'm no big JV fan....BUT! I would like to see him at Williams next year. Someone needs to counter JPM's recent crybaby role....who better than JV...

Seriously though...he is a devisive, demanding, underperforming driver who has seen his best years years ago....just what Williams needs.

Webber/JV combo...with Webber #1...

Though i do find humor in a JV/Raplhie boy combo at Toyota next season, what a friggin mess that would be.

 

[-}=Dr={-Devil-}]

Hey boys its been confirmed!
He's Testing with williams right now!


next year Jpm and Ralf are gone (well ralf its not sure but its a big possibility) so i'd say Jv and something like Webber

Jv n'1 of course



Go Jv!

 

[vat_man]

Unless Jacques is driving for nothing, I can't see this happening. Williams has been there, done that, and there are far too many cheap young things around.

Unless Bernie's behind it...

 

[millencolin]

Originally posted by scuderia229
Someone needs to counter JPM's recent crybaby role....who better than JV...

yeah replace the crybaby with a complainer.....


willams wont hire him...its unthinkable

 

[DRIFT4EVA]

Oh dear god no!!!

Will someone please think of the children!!!

JV is poos!!!

He is just another Schumi wannabe.

He must be JPM's Idol though. I'll give him that.

If he get's back in, that will be the end of F1 as we know it. If he does, he's gonna suck more than he did before, because his reactions won't be as good. That and the fact the cars will have improved a substantial amount by 2005.

 

[-}=Dr={-Devil-}]

Why do you think he's testing and doiing laps etc etc etc

Come on ppl! Open Your Eyes!
Williams wont go with one of the noobs who are stuck with low end teams! maybe with one but not 2 (the 2 seats will probably be free)
Hey man yur funny! Ecclestone! The brit! Behind Jv's Comeback!!
Now thats just funny eh...

HEY DONT CHYOU SAY JV IS A SHUMI WANNABE! NEVER!
HE'S WAY BETTER THEN SHUMI HE WAS JUST STUCK WITH A BS CAR AFTER 1997!
SO NEXT YEAR, WHEN JV IS GONNA BE BACK, BATTLING AT THE TOP, Ill Just stare and say

TOLD YOU SO ****ERS

GO JV!

 

[DRIFT4EVA]

Originally posted by -}=Dr={-Devil-}
Why do you think he's testing and doiing laps etc etc etc

Come on ppl! Open Your Eyes!
Williams wont go with one of the noobs who are stuck with low end teams! maybe with one but not 2 (the 2 seats will probably be free)
Hey man yur funny! Ecclestone! The brit! Behind Jv's Comeback!!
Now thats just funny eh...

HEY DONT CHYOU SAY JV IS A SHUMI WANNABE! NEVER!
HE'S WAY BETTER THEN SHUMI HE WAS JUST STUCK WITH A BS CAR AFTER 1997!
SO NEXT YEAR, WHEN JV IS GONNA BE BACK, BATTLING AT THE TOP, Ill Just stare and say

TOLD YOU SO ****ERS

GO JV!

OK....... Right........

 

[Eagle]

Yeah. Canadians. What can you say. They stick together until you blow them apart. What a stupid post.

Still, the niggling Williams rumours are a concern, but they have to realise that Villeneuve is not going to do anything for the team.

Look at Subaru in the WRC: they had the option to hire Colin McRae. Now, he's temperamental, but he's fast, and he's won a world championship. Exactly like Villeneuve. He also costs a lot, just like Villeneuve. Subaru instead hired Mikko Hirvonen. They don't expect him to win rallies, they expect him to learn the trade and build with the team, and eventually be just as good as anyone.

This is the sort of approach Williams needs to take to get back on track; don't go for a quick fix, go with someone who shows promise and invest in the future. Schumacher has to retire eventually, if they start a 3 year programme now, they'll have a great driver ready for the new regulations in a good car with a good team behind him. Sounds logical to me.

 

[millencolin]

Originally posted by -}=Dr={-Devil-}
Why do you think he's testing and doiing laps etc etc etc

Come on ppl! Open Your Eyes!
Williams wont go with one of the noobs who are stuck with low end teams! maybe with one but not 2 (the 2 seats will probably be free)
Hey man yur funny! Ecclestone! The brit! Behind Jv's Comeback!!
Now thats just funny eh...

HEY DONT CHYOU SAY JV IS A SHUMI WANNABE! NEVER!
HE'S WAY BETTER THEN SHUMI HE WAS JUST STUCK WITH A BS CAR AFTER 1997!
SO NEXT YEAR, WHEN JV IS GONNA BE BACK, BATTLING AT THE TOP, Ill Just stare and say

TOLD YOU SO ****ERS

GO JV!

this post is based on emotion and has absolutely no logic what-so-ever

saying JV is better than michael is like saying that Australians ride kangaroos to school or the kiwi get upto unethical actions with sheep. its just not true

have you thought that the reason that villeneuve is testing for williams is just a publicity stunt to draw the medias attention away from Ferrari's dominance

plus come on people, open your eyes and told you so ****ers is very polite and is sure to make you popular in gtplanet

and anyway.....why dont you focus more on paul tracy's efforts. there is a canadian team player who doesnt complain, fierce racer and is winning! Plus he doesnt demand a salary which is a ridiculous amount

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by -}=Dr={-Devil-}
Why do you think he's testing and doiing laps etc etc etc

Come on ppl! Open Your Eyes!

Who for?

Villeneuve has not driven an F1 car this year. Williams openly laughted at a reporter who asked if Villeneuve being at Paul Ricard was for a test with them, then Craig Pollock said that it was highly unlikely that Villeneuve was at Paul Ricard since he was actually in Monaco at the time.

Originally posted by -}=Dr={-Devil-}
Williams wont go with one of the noobs who are stuck with low end teams! maybe with one but not 2 (the 2 seats will probably be free)

It's pretty much guaranteed that both seats will be free. You look at the list of drivers that have a very real possibility of getting the seat, and you see: Webber, Fisichella, Gene, Coulthard, Pizzonia, Trulli.

The only one of those who could remotely be considered a "noob" is Pizzonia, who has only spent three years testing for Williams. So he's obviously an unknown quantity to the team.

The only "noob" on the list is Scott Dixon, and he's hardly straight out of FRenault, is he?

Originally posted by -}=Dr={-Devil-}
Hey man yur funny! Ecclestone! The brit! Behind Jv's Comeback!!
Now thats just funny eh...

Bernie, like God, moves in mysterious ways. Even to those who have spent time studying him. Which I'm guessing you haven't

Originally posted by -}=Dr={-Devil-}
HEY DONT CHYOU SAY JV IS A SHUMI WANNABE! NEVER!
HE'S WAY BETTER THEN SHUMI HE WAS JUST STUCK WITH A BS CAR AFTER 1997!
SO NEXT YEAR, WHEN JV IS GONNA BE BACK, BATTLING AT THE TOP, Ill Just stare and say

TOLD YOU SO ****ERS

GO JV!

This bit of your post makes the rest of it seem sane in comparison. Don't make us ban you again for swearing.

You have to understand that Jacques' failure to secure a race seat is due to his being recalcitrant and overpriced, not due to some world-hatred of him and/or Canada. Eagle's analogy with McRae and Subaru is a great one. I'm sure that had McRae said he would drive for $1m, he would have got the run. But top-flight teams only ever look one way, and that's to youth. It's as inevitable as night following day.

 

[millencolin]

Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
You have to understand that Jacques' failure to secure a race seat is ...... not due to some world-hatred of him and/or Canada.

the only people who hate canada are the americans........and there are no high powered americans in formula one.......that i know of (im sure there are, but they dont have too big of an influence0

 

[Carl.]

Originally posted by -}=Dr={-Devil-}
Why do you think he's testing and doiing laps etc etc etc

Come on ppl! Open Your Eyes!
Williams wont go with one of the noobs who are stuck with low end teams! maybe with one but not 2 (the 2 seats will probably be free)
Hey man yur funny! Ecclestone! The brit! Behind Jv's Comeback!!
Now thats just funny eh...

HEY DONT CHYOU SAY JV IS A SHUMI WANNABE! NEVER!
HE'S WAY BETTER THEN SHUMI HE WAS JUST STUCK WITH A BS CAR AFTER 1997!
SO NEXT YEAR, WHEN JV IS GONNA BE BACK, BATTLING AT THE TOP, Ill Just stare and say

TOLD YOU SO ****ERS

GO JV!

Sacrament!!!

Bon commentaire objectif, très belle méthode d'appuyer ton point de vue... mes félicitations mon grand!

Regarde les choses en face!

Si Jacques a miraculeusement une chance de montrer encore ce qu'il vaut, il lui faudra prouver qu'il peut faire les bon$ Choix, qu'il valait encore ses demandes salariales exhorbitantes, et qu'il lui reste autant d'aplomb sur la piste que dans ses commentaires hors-piste, et ça je le souhaite autant que toi. Mais je vois absolument aucun but à provoquer tout le monde suite à des rumeurs, quitte à te couvrir de ridicule si elles se révèlent fausses. Et ça donne de belles excuses à certains idiots pour faire des généralisations stupides sur les Canadiens ou les Québecois.

whatever suits you...

 

[Eagle]

gg, owned.

I actually understood most of that.

 

[millencolin]

i quit french bout 4 years ago.........cant remember a single word. i have NO CHANCE in reading that

 

[Carl.]

Sorry guys , I checked and BabelFish does an awful job on this post, most of the translated sentences are illegible.

I was basically reminding him how objective he was, to calm down, and that he's going to look pretty stupid if the rumour only stays a rumour...

 

[Fogelhund]

IF there is any truth to the rumours, or the published A list/B list that is floating around, and some quite respectable media, then a few comments need correcting.

First, JV is not going to be expensive, and is on the record stating he would willingly sign on an incentive only, no salary basis.

Second. Regarding the too old, reactions gone bits, utter nonsense. He is much younger then Coulthard, Schumacher.....

Third - for those who have followed his career, they will know that he is a very "sensitive" driver. If the car is competitive, he will push it very hard, and is as good as any other on that day. (well save Schumacher). If the car isn't so good, his motivation goes, and that really was his downfall at BAR.

One thing for certain, he is one of the few that aren't intimidated by Schumacher, and the grid could use a few more people such as him.

Given the list of possibilities out there, he is a reasonable choice, IF he really is testing, and IF he is proving to be back on form in said testing. Frank is no idiot, and would not sign anybody without some knowledge that the driver can perform. We've seen JV perform well in the past, so we know it can be done. The question remains, with proper motivation, can he get back to where he was, or has his ego been too badly beaten down?

 

[Eagle]

I hate to break it to you and him but if his ego took a battering it's his own fault, an insecurity and lack of confidence within himself. If he's that tempermental that in a bad car he has a cry and won't race well, he needs to grow up. Even Montoya is starting to show signs of it, he bottomed out in France last year and now seems to have woken up imo, he hasn't whinged in a while, he's just admitted the team isn't where they need to be and they need to work to get back to the top.

Michael Schumacher made a leap of faith to join Ferrari and didn't have the best car for a long time, but he didn't lose motivation, go all introverted and quit.

Villeneuve's actions at Suzuka last year shouldn't be forgotten, nor his ceaseless criticism of the team and even his teammate, a man who is now one of the few things remotely challenging Michael Schumacher.

I would honestly rather see one of the younger hopes be given a chance than to see JV usurp a seat again.

 

[Carl.]

Yes JV's often temperamental and his ego got boosted a bit too much over time. (winning an F1 championship at his second season, beating F1's best driver of his time might have something to do with it though).

He (and his manager) made very poor choices and he found himself with a team on the level of performance and reliability of a Minardi. After four years of this, I guess a lot of drivers would have lost a bit of their motivation. I don't think Micheal would be able to win races in a Minardi. And seeing how many races he wasn't able to complete during his fourth year with the team, I think he had a good reason to be pissed off...

Anyway as I said, his attitude is playing a lot against him and I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if he gets a Williams Drive for next year.

And admit it... you just need someone to hate on the grid.

(besides me, of course)

 

[Eagle]

haha, yeah, you do suck.

BAR was indeed barely on par with Minardi for a long time, they scored a staggering 0 points in their first season of competition. What I don't get is why a world champion and driver of JV's calibre decided to join them if they showed so little potential. Williams had a thing there, Damon Hill went to Arrows (wtf was that?), JV went to BAR and Mika Hakkinen and Michael Schumacher sorta went "Uh, ok, cool, we'll just win the races, you guys take it easy".

I never liked JV, he's too arrogant and self-centred and all too often it felt unfounded. Anyone remember the few Formula 1 $Year games where we had "Driver1" in the field with a suspicious helmet, instead of a certain real Canadian racer?

 

[Fogelhund]

Eagle, you aren't breaking anything to me about his ego. I had already stated that was a fault. Yes, they did make poor choices, and even at the time I felt they should not have resigned after the first two years, and should have taken the Renault ride offered. But JV was loyal to the team, and kept moving forward.

Last year he should have been much more motivated to push more, and qualify with lighter loads, knowing that the future hung in balance, and that the reliability his car was having, at least with lighter loads he could show more speed until the enivitable occured. Yes, he made a number of errors of judgement, I won't argue that.

But, I do believe the man has talent, and IF he shows his potential during tests, then he has a decent shot at a ride.

I really don't believe that the events surrounding Suzuka should be taken at face value. I believe that Honda asked BAR to run Sato at the Japanese GP. Do you think that JV stepping aside and having a Japanese driver, in a Japanese car, at the Japanese GP is just a minor aside? Please.

IF JV gets the ride, and the Willy is competitive, one thing for certain, Schumacher knows that he couldn't push JV off the track.