Viper vs Vette - GT2 Style
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Over the weekend I saw Car and Driver TV on the Speed Channel and they compared the Viper and the Vette. They were pretty much in a dead heat. The Viper had ever so slightly better acceleration. But you'd think for almost 100 more horsies and twenty thousand more dollars you'd get a little more. I just with they's improve the styling of the Vette. Six years and not significant change. I also wish they'd change the Viper back.
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The Viper is great in GT2, the Vettes are merely good.
Maybe a spot race between the GS Vette (or '96 Coupe) and the GTS (or RT/10) on the same track will settle the debate. I know the Viper has about 40 more horses, and they have approximately equal weights, so the Viper will proabbly win.
But the Viper GTS race mod is one of the best in the game. No shame in that paintjob (well, if you're American). The Vette looks like it belongs to Captain America.
Maybe a spot race between the GS Vette (or '96 Coupe) and the GTS (or RT/10) on the same track will settle the debate. I know the Viper has about 40 more horses, and they have approximately equal weights, so the Viper will proabbly win.
But the Viper GTS race mod is one of the best in the game. No shame in that paintjob (well, if you're American). The Vette looks like it belongs to Captain America.
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Viper. Enough said.
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- Parnelli_Bones
Hey guys. I'm gonna start bumping some old threads if they seem worthy.
It's funny, I apparently already voted on this thread, but I never posted on it. I prefer the Viper over the Vette. Vettes have a tendency to understeer more. 👎 Honestly I like 'em both, though. 👍
It's funny, I apparently already voted on this thread, but I never posted on it. I prefer the Viper over the Vette. Vettes have a tendency to understeer more. 👎 Honestly I like 'em both, though. 👍
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There are a lot of great threads waiting to be bumped for sure 👍.
I voted for the Viper. Reason? It's just plain awesome in everything: looks, performance, etc. The Vette is a good car too no doubt, fully-tuned it's still very fast, but it doesn't have the "awesomeness" of the Viper. Honestly if you see these 2 cars on a motor show parked side by side which stand would you go to first? I bet 80% of people would choose the Viper stand first.
The Corvette's styling is too old already, I think. It's not that "fresh" anymore.
I voted for the Viper. Reason? It's just plain awesome in everything: looks, performance, etc. The Vette is a good car too no doubt, fully-tuned it's still very fast, but it doesn't have the "awesomeness" of the Viper. Honestly if you see these 2 cars on a motor show parked side by side which stand would you go to first? I bet 80% of people would choose the Viper stand first.
The Corvette's styling is too old already, I think. It's not that "fresh" anymore.
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I said that they both were awesome, but I think the Viper has an edge on the Corvette in GT2. The Corvette just feels stale after 43 years, or in the game, while the Viper is a comparatively fresh car. The razor-edged feel of the 1996 Corvette ages quickly as do most such themed designs, and the Viper looks much faster with that curvy bodyshell.
However, a tuned Corvette will outperform a Viper with the same upgrades, therefore I am not completely partial to the Dodge sports car.
However, a tuned Corvette will outperform a Viper with the same upgrades, therefore I am not completely partial to the Dodge sports car.
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Well the new Z06 Vettes definitely have a sleeker look than the older C4s, I don't think the Z06 is out-dated yet--I think the opposite is true: Vipers could use a visual upgrade. Vipers are very rarely seen, however...even in America. They're definitely a specialty.
So far as the Vette goes, I can't tell you how many times I've seen a Z06 out of the corner of my eye and forgotten it's "just" a Chevy.
They definitely are more exotic. I wish Chevy treated more of their cars with such detail.
In real-life, the Viper is faster, but also more brutal, louder, and expensive. The Z06 (and earlier C4's) make better daily-drivers. I saw a Viper RT/10 last week though. If you ever get to see one in person, you'll note how they look very "concept-ish"....like something you'd see in a show.
So far as the Vette goes, I can't tell you how many times I've seen a Z06 out of the corner of my eye and forgotten it's "just" a Chevy.
They definitely are more exotic. I wish Chevy treated more of their cars with such detail.In real-life, the Viper is faster, but also more brutal, louder, and expensive. The Z06 (and earlier C4's) make better daily-drivers. I saw a Viper RT/10 last week though. If you ever get to see one in person, you'll note how they look very "concept-ish"....like something you'd see in a show.
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Well, leveling out the playing field at 500hp for each car, the Corvette has shown better performance in my opinion. I spend a good hour or so on each car just at the Machine Test courses to get the best off the line acceleration and top speed possibe. Each every time I've ran with the Viper and the Vette, the Vette has always shown quicker acceleration.
That's only because of the Viper's wheel spin. The Vette has little wheel spin, adding more to it's acceleration and top speed. The Viper on the other hand has to be so bogged down that by the time I get a decent launch it lags through the 400M and 1000M before slagging on up to a mediocre top speed. The Vette has a great setup right off the lot (metaphorically speaking). The Vette has shown to me a great mixture and balance of acceleration, top speed, and handling. The best time I've ran with the Vette ZR1 at the Seatle Circuit was 1 minute and 30 seconds at 404hp with Super Softs. The best I could conjur, at least for the moment, with the Viper RT/10 was 1 minute and 42 seconds with 500hp - again coming down to the wheel spin factor. Downshifting into speeds less than 100mph is always dangerous and potentially fatal when you're driving the Viper because of the wheel spin. Not the case with the Vette.
That's just what I've seen... Vette seems to be the better car, but the Viper sounds better and looks better with only a smidget difference in performance - but still gets the job done. I've yet to lose any races between the Vette and the Viper, and they both pull far ahead of the A.I. This just tells me that in the end it's a driver's game - what feels the most comfortabe. They're virtually dang equal. I'm not great at defending the wheel spin (outside of tuning TCS settings), so maybe there is a whole side of the Viper that I haven't tapped into yet. It just seems to me that the Vette is a little more tamer.
That's only because of the Viper's wheel spin. The Vette has little wheel spin, adding more to it's acceleration and top speed. The Viper on the other hand has to be so bogged down that by the time I get a decent launch it lags through the 400M and 1000M before slagging on up to a mediocre top speed. The Vette has a great setup right off the lot (metaphorically speaking). The Vette has shown to me a great mixture and balance of acceleration, top speed, and handling. The best time I've ran with the Vette ZR1 at the Seatle Circuit was 1 minute and 30 seconds at 404hp with Super Softs. The best I could conjur, at least for the moment, with the Viper RT/10 was 1 minute and 42 seconds with 500hp - again coming down to the wheel spin factor. Downshifting into speeds less than 100mph is always dangerous and potentially fatal when you're driving the Viper because of the wheel spin. Not the case with the Vette.
That's just what I've seen... Vette seems to be the better car, but the Viper sounds better and looks better with only a smidget difference in performance - but still gets the job done. I've yet to lose any races between the Vette and the Viper, and they both pull far ahead of the A.I. This just tells me that in the end it's a driver's game - what feels the most comfortabe. They're virtually dang equal. I'm not great at defending the wheel spin (outside of tuning TCS settings), so maybe there is a whole side of the Viper that I haven't tapped into yet. It just seems to me that the Vette is a little more tamer.
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You gotta hammer a Viper in 2nd gear at the test track to kill that wheelspin.
But yeah, when the 2 cars are powered more equal, the Vette starts to win because it's lighter and stuff. I was talking about when both cars are bone-stock.
But yeah, when the 2 cars are powered more equal, the Vette starts to win because it's lighter and stuff. I was talking about when both cars are bone-stock.
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Bone stock? Likely the Viper, but I sure don't think so (the Corvette is easier to drive fast and slightly more aerodynamic). The Corvette is also more diverse.
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No way guys. The Viper would be faster when stock..hands down. Here's my testing results.
The below figures are for the GT2 & 3 Vipers respectively.
0-60 mph: 5.0 seconds (GT2) / 4.366 seconds (GT3)
0-100 mph: 10.2 (GT2) / 9.516 (GT3)
¼ mile: 13.244@114 mph / 12.557@116 mph
1 KM: 22.789 @ 152 mph / 22.691@150.8 mph
Track Test Lap: 1:29.812 / 2:09.583
Top Speed at Redline (GT3 Viper)
1st: 46.6 mph
2nd: 68.5 mph
3rd: 94.5 mph
4th: 123.7 mph
5th: 169.5 mph
6th: 190.69 mph (GT2)
6th: 190.1 mph @3,850 rpm (GT3)
Corvette C4
0-60 mph: 5.3 seconds
0-100 mph: 11.7
¼ Mile: 13.790@108 mph
1 KM: 24.270@142 mph
Test Track Lap: 1:32.296
GT2 Top Speed @ Redline
1st: 57 mph@7,000 rpm
2nd: 81 mph
3rd: 111 mph
4th: 143 mph
5th: 183 mph@6,250 rpm
6th: 184.64 mph @4,100 rpm
However, when both cars have equal power of around 500 hp (as teFAO says in his driving experience) the Vette starts to pull ahead because it's a lighter car.
Viper: 3,375 pounds
Corvette C4: 3,298 pounds
I don't know if he used weight reductions or not...but when both cars are stock, the Viper dominates all the way around (0-60, 0-100 mph...400m, 1000m, 1 lap around test track, and top speed). But assuming both cars are at 500 horsepower and no weight is removed, the Vette gets a lower weight-to-power ratio (as I said) and becomes more dominant.
But this doesn't factor in handling. My opinion (as I said earlier) is that the Viper feels more flexible, more willing...and not as understeery as a C4 Corvette. This is partially opinion, partially experience. In reality, both cars have tons of potential and aren't too far off from one another in a side-by-side comparison.
The below figures are for the GT2 & 3 Vipers respectively.
0-60 mph: 5.0 seconds (GT2) / 4.366 seconds (GT3)
0-100 mph: 10.2 (GT2) / 9.516 (GT3)
¼ mile: 13.244@114 mph / 12.557@116 mph
1 KM: 22.789 @ 152 mph / 22.691@150.8 mph
Track Test Lap: 1:29.812 / 2:09.583
Top Speed at Redline (GT3 Viper)
1st: 46.6 mph
2nd: 68.5 mph
3rd: 94.5 mph
4th: 123.7 mph
5th: 169.5 mph
6th: 190.69 mph (GT2)
6th: 190.1 mph @3,850 rpm (GT3)
Corvette C4
0-60 mph: 5.3 seconds
0-100 mph: 11.7
¼ Mile: 13.790@108 mph
1 KM: 24.270@142 mph
Test Track Lap: 1:32.296
GT2 Top Speed @ Redline
1st: 57 mph@7,000 rpm
2nd: 81 mph
3rd: 111 mph
4th: 143 mph
5th: 183 mph@6,250 rpm
6th: 184.64 mph @4,100 rpm
However, when both cars have equal power of around 500 hp (as teFAO says in his driving experience) the Vette starts to pull ahead because it's a lighter car.
Viper: 3,375 pounds
Corvette C4: 3,298 pounds
I don't know if he used weight reductions or not...but when both cars are stock, the Viper dominates all the way around (0-60, 0-100 mph...400m, 1000m, 1 lap around test track, and top speed). But assuming both cars are at 500 horsepower and no weight is removed, the Vette gets a lower weight-to-power ratio (as I said) and becomes more dominant.
But this doesn't factor in handling. My opinion (as I said earlier) is that the Viper feels more flexible, more willing...and not as understeery as a C4 Corvette. This is partially opinion, partially experience. In reality, both cars have tons of potential and aren't too far off from one another in a side-by-side comparison.
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Well sure Vipers are quicker stock. lol
But who drives stock cars in GT2? There's a little more to it than just stock comparisons. When I look at it... you've got to consider the modifying factors too. Sure the Viper is quicker and faster stock, but that's as far as comparison is going to go - and in the end why make a thread about it? Not trying to start anything, just an observation.
But who drives stock cars in GT2? There's a little more to it than just stock comparisons. When I look at it... you've got to consider the modifying factors too. Sure the Viper is quicker and faster stock, but that's as far as comparison is going to go - and in the end why make a thread about it? Not trying to start anything, just an observation.
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With Parnelli's post, I am rather surprised. Perhaps the curvaceous Viper is more aerodynamically efficient than the Corvette, unless one counts the rpms at top speed..
As for people who drive their cars bone-stock, there are more people than you think out there doing just that.
As for people who drive their cars bone-stock, there are more people than you think out there doing just that.
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Hmm....it all comes down to how good the driver can maximise their car in a race. And in this case, the Viper is a tad easier to drive at its limits than the Vette. It has a larger margin for error. In the Vette, if you come out of a corner with a bit too much throttle you'll spin out and nothing can help you. In a Viper in the same scenario you still get a few seconds to recover.
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True...Corvette gearing feels really really tall in GT2. But notice: PD screwed up the Vette's peak power in GT2. It is NOT supposed to be peaking at 7,000-ish rpms. Real-life vettes have their peak around 5,000 rpms. This is actually why the gearing feels so tall.
In GT3 and GT4, PD finally got this right with the power-band located appropriately where it should be, and in these 2 games, the Vette doesn't feel so burdened with what feels like such tall gearing.
5th gear is almost useless in GT2, but in later games, 5th (and sometimes 6th) can be used with stock gears, especially as power gets raised.I did plenty of stock-car driving in GT2 and 3 because some of those beginner races are so easy. In GT4, I rarely do any purely stock racing, but I still do all my testing in cars that are stock.
Don't worrry, you're not "starting" anything but some good discussion. 👍 Which personally I dig.
I'm not sure what you mean by "why make a thread about it?" though.. Someone made a thread about it because the Viper and the Vette were the 2 only true mass-production American sports cars in the 90's when GT2 was released. It's rather like Evo versus STi...or some other obvious comparison between 2 competitors.
Finally, we can consider modifying factors...the problem is, what are the rules? There are thousands of variables (small and large) when it comes to mods. Each mod on one car represents a possible advantage over the mod on another car...this is why real-life car magazine comparisons (like Road & Track or Motor Trend) only compare cars just as they are from the factory.
...with stock cars there is only one variable instead of hundreds or thousands. In GT2, it's normal tires, normal suspension, etc....basically, drive the car just as it is when you buy it from the dealer. 💡 See where I'm coming from?
BTW, what parameters did you use when you drove a Vette & Viper with 500 horsepower each? Was any weight removed? Suspension mods? Tranny mods? Just curious.
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Viper,of course.
It's have more power,more torque,and more aerodynamic shape.
Once i try both of them,and viper have better time than the vette
It's have more power,more torque,and more aerodynamic shape.
Once i try both of them,and viper have better time than the vette
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Viper GTS, in silver and blue = my car all the way 
Funny you should mention that stinSting, in JClarksons new book, he mentions how he once spun a Corvette, and the police officer there said to him "these cars spin so damn easily you could park one outside a store, and when you came out it'd be facing the other way"
Funny you should mention that stinSting, in JClarksons new book, he mentions how he once spun a Corvette, and the police officer there said to him "these cars spin so damn easily you could park one outside a store, and when you came out it'd be facing the other way"
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